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On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread? For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk.
I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies.
Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened.
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On December 30 2015 11:02 Tictock wrote:Yep, my new years gift to you all is an easy obvious lynch today. I played like shit, I deserve it. Gunna  for reactions to my flip, but we have to wait almost 72 hours... Lame.
 is this a scum vigi claim
You played pretty well towards the lynch yesterday. It was on us not lynching you but you showed effort.
wpwp
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Like your worry is that with 1 hour left someone who has been silent all phase will CC onegu, everyone will believe the cc, a giant shitstorm will occurr and some rando will get lynched and fuck everything up; so instead we should lynch palmar.
I am having a hard time understanding how you think that is a much more real threat/world than just a cop has a red check on a guy, he got cc'd, his play doesn't make much sense with his claim, and he has kinda rolled over so we should lynch him; which is a lot of definitive information. Then we just shoot palmar and ride off into the sunset looking like badasses,
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On December 30 2015 11:21 Holyflare wrote:
If I base a scum team solely off of tt's filter it's :
Sl/tt/bf/palmar +2 (probably ness +1 more)
I agree with sl because he was too busy with the TT votes, there was awkwardness around the mindmeld, and he generally has been playing worse than his townplay. Which has been really good lately.
bf is possible. rayn was saying it. So if there is something in addition to that in the tt filter that would be sweet. I have no clue myself about bf.
Palmar is obvious mafia. He kills game solvers and rayn every game as mafia. (inb4 palmar finds 1 game he didn't, truly auto lynch) I also got a insane good mafia tell for palmar, actually based on gameplay.
and there are 5 mafia. 3 down for me.
disclaimer: I am still a bit mehish on the sl read.
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On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread? For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk. I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies. Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened.
Sure, but I was pretty much under the impression TT was a lock yesterday. I find it hard to imagine shenanigans happening again, as well, but I'd rather reduce the risk. I'm 99% on both TT and Palmar and would be okay with a lynch on either of them. I feel like Palmar lynch and shooting TT is safer, but I'm fine with it the other way.
And I feel like in every TL mafia game I play, the logic by the end of a 48 hours period changes quite a bit. People can't stand sitting on the same target all day. I'm incredibly worried somebody is going to out-think themselves and we switch targets to another stupid target :/
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On December 30 2015 03:52 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, I believe the mafia is:
Palmar
kush --> (shining)
Onegu
Boxerfred
Ness/(tictock)
(Vivax)
I on't think i am going to do anything during this night phase unless something extreme happens. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 18:08 ritoky wrote:
i can get behind rayn on
(vivax*)
palmar
kush - if kush then strongly consider shining
GB or Ness
BF
1gu/koshi/slam/moosy
updated:
tt
palmar
kush -> (shining)
BF
gb or ness
slam/moosy
(vivax*)
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well.... TT was saved by 3 mafia and me. gg
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ohyeah. Slam is also mafia.
game is basically won.
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man koshi, it must be tough being a
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how do you do it?
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ritoky never say who your gonna shoot it lets mafia play you perfectly..
If palmers town they rb/kill dandred and let you kill town.
If palmers mafia they rb you
Your no longer allowed to shoot palmar you fucked up sorry bud we can just lynch him
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On December 30 2015 19:00 sicklucker wrote:
ritoky never say who your gonna shoot it lets mafia play you perfectly..
If palmers town they rb/kill dandred and let you kill town.
If palmers mafia they rb you
Your no longer allowed to shoot palmar you fucked up sorry bud we can just lynch him
and if they rb me another gun gets distributed
and if they don't shoot me and i mind game them and hold my shot 2 guns are in play and they fucked up
and if i say i am shooting palmar all phase then shoot someone else on my list and blow their minds
2 can play these wifom games.
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On December 30 2015 18:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:52 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, I believe the mafia is:
Palmar
kush --> (shining)
Onegu
Boxerfred
Ness/(tictock)
(Vivax)
I on't think i am going to do anything during this night phase unless something extreme happens. On December 29 2015 18:08 ritoky wrote:
i can get behind rayn on
(vivax*)
palmar
kush - if kush then strongly consider shining
GB or Ness
BF
1gu/koshi/slam/moosy updated: tt palmar kush -> (shining) BF gb or ness slam/moosy (vivax*)
I don't understand how kush being scum makes me scum when I'm suspicious of him and willing to lynch him and he apparently doesn't like me either. Same with TT and Ness being scum together, when Ness was like the only person TT wanted to lynch D1. And I couldn't decide between the 2 of them. Unless you think the majority of the scum team is just soft-pushing eachother?
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On December 30 2015 19:16 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 18:41 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 03:52 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, I believe the mafia is:
Palmar
kush --> (shining)
Onegu
Boxerfred
Ness/(tictock)
(Vivax)
I on't think i am going to do anything during this night phase unless something extreme happens. On December 29 2015 18:08 ritoky wrote:
i can get behind rayn on
(vivax*)
palmar
kush - if kush then strongly consider shining
GB or Ness
BF
1gu/koshi/slam/moosy updated: tt palmar kush -> (shining) BF gb or ness slam/moosy (vivax*) I don't understand how kush being scum makes me scum when I'm suspicious of him and willing to lynch him and he apparently doesn't like me either. Same with TT and Ness being scum together, when Ness was like the only person TT wanted to lynch D1. And I couldn't decide between the 2 of them. Unless you think the majority of the scum team is just soft-pushing eachother?
On December 29 2015 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 17:45 Trfel wrote:On December 29 2015 17:41 ritoky wrote:
has anyone played with moosy more than once? and can they confirm the whole gives a shit = mafia; fucks off/does dumb shit = town read that he self-proclaims? It's true, but MoosyDoosy is probably capable of replicating it as mafia, since not caring really isn't hard to fake.I'd actually still go with it, I imagine that MoosyDoosy would have a fun time doing random stuff as mafia in a game like this, but I do note that MoosyDoosy didn't complain about rolling town at all, which I've come to expect from him. I'm still embarrassed about my errant read on MoosyDoosy last game, especially since I figured out the problem with the read and then forgot what it was. So I'm kind of ignoring him this game  I'm tired and babbling, but to this point MoosyDoosy's self-meta is true. yeah , the bolded is completely true, but the fact is he is not caring if he is town either, so he is just a fucking coinflip and the best vigi shot. 100%. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 17:45 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 17:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The mafia should be:
Palmar
kush
Vivax
BF
Ness
maybe Onegu. Or Koshi. Or Slam. ritoky what do you think of this? Ignore Vivax if you want to, i am not going to argue about that one because he should be lynched on D2 in case he is not dead. Let's also ignore TT because i have no fucking idea what to make out of him and i honestly don't care anymore, i hope he just gets copped and the problem is solved. Anything to add, subtract? the subbed player is a coinflip...probably just ignore until posts shit worth reading. i have no read on moosy so add him to the bottom tier. i also am not sold GB is town, so i would add him below ness. i remember kush kinda telling me to fuck off and i liked that, so i would move him into onegu/koshi/slam/moosy range I agree on OO. I think the way and the confidence he went on with HF makes more sense from town perspective than it makes from mafia. The thing with kush is -- he isn't really trying to find scum. It's like... ugh.. a meta thing where he just fucking disagrees with me for the sake of disagreeing based NOT on the argument, he isn't even trying to understand the argument.... It becomes even more likely he is scum if TT is town, as i said. Basically the only smart thing kush has said in this game is actually the shit he brought on Shining, which would (unfortunately for Shining) indicate that Shining is also mafia. kush has a tendency to ONLY make really good points on his scumbuddies when he is scum because he can't fabricate good looking reads on townies. When kush is town he sometimes actually plays really well, but here, when he ONLY calls one player mafia for REASONS -- after ~90 pages, it strongly indicates he is scum, and also that the player (Shining) is scum too.So yeah, i'd add Shining to the scumlist, especially when kush flips mafia. We should probably lynch him after Palmar and Vivax or only after Palmar if the Vivax issue is solved during the night. So like lynch: (Vivax) --> Palmar --> kush. Then look very very closely into shining and lynch shining/boxerfred (or both) Then lynch Ness if he continues doing what he has (or like... hasn't) Then look at Onegu/Koshi/Slam further.... Check TT to confirm his affiliation. That's what i suggest at the moment.
as for GB or ness; rayn was far more firm in believing it was ness, i still hold my read that gb would have called ness dumb and not mafia when he did so i said it was gb, rayn didn't agree so i arrived at 1 between the 2. tt flipping red means more likely gb than ness but still probably 1 between the 2. also ness hasn't done shit in like 48 hrs so it's kinda hard to gauge who he was pushing and not pushing being that he wasn't around when it actually mattered.
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On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread? For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk. I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies. Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened.
I didn't want to claim.
+ Show Spoiler [Stuff you wont believe till later] +
My dumbass decided to post "Lynch Onegu when I flip miller" Rather than just "...when I flip"
At least I'm glad I gave the gun to you kus I'm certain your town based off stuff today. I almost gave it to Damdred.
My EoD posts did have a lot of "You all are gunna be mad at me when I die" stuff.
My perspective right now is that Rayn/Art were onto something with Vivax/Palmar. At least one of them is scum imo and prob an important role.
Only reason it makes sense to have 2 people fake claims to get me lynched today.
Onegu is prob goon and doesn't have much time so is making the 1v1 trade for me.
Damdred Idk about. I'm fairly sure Onegu wouldn't fakeclaim on me outta the blue like this as town. There is some faint tinfoil ideas about Damdred faking a claim as town to get me lynched, it makes sense for him to be convinced I'm mafia here. Like it's a really stupid play for scum!Damdred to fake claim GS to get me lynched when there is already a red check on me.
I'd still put money on SL being scum this game as well, possibly still Ness and Kush. Ness I'm honestly thinking might have legit stormed off from the game though... though I think that's more likely to happen is he's scum here feeling caught rather than a town who just felt under pressure. Idk be interesting to gauge his return.
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tt, I don't know if you are retarded. But you do understand that the only way you aren't fucking mafia is if Ness it the DT right?
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On December 30 2015 19:29 Koshi wrote:
tt, I don't know if you are retarded. But you do understand that the only way you aren't fucking mafia is if Ness it the DT right?
I haven't been keeping track.
Since Damdred claimed GS it seems best for the real cop to not claim actually.
You guys lynch me I flip GS and you all get to lynch Onegu the next day and debate about Damdred.
Cop could easily make it a few more days at this rate.
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On December 30 2015 19:29 Koshi wrote:
tt, I don't know if you are retarded. But you do understand that the only way you aren't fucking mafia is if Ness it the DT right?
And yea I prob am this game.
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On December 30 2015 19:32 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 19:29 Koshi wrote:
tt, I don't know if you are retarded. But you do understand that the only way you aren't fucking mafia is if Ness it the DT right? I haven't been keeping track. Since Damdred claimed GS it seems best for the real cop to not claim actually. You guys lynch me I flip GS and you all get to lynch Onegu the next day and debate about Damdred. Cop could easily make it a few more days at this rate.
Cop counterclaims -->We lynch Onegu today
How is it better that you die today? And we lynch Onegu tomorrow.
Come on. Just stop playing till dt claims or you are mafia. Jeezus. This is just stupid.
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Also. Even if Ness is dt. It makes 0 sense for Onegu to trade for you.
So pls. Just quit. jeezus.
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On December 30 2015 19:26 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread? For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk. I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies. Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened. I didn't want to claim. + Show Spoiler [Stuff you wont believe till later] +
My dumbass decided to post "Lynch Onegu when I flip miller" Rather than just "...when I flip"
At least I'm glad I gave the gun to you kus I'm certain your town based off stuff today. I almost gave it to Damdred.
My EoD posts did have a lot of "You all are gunna be mad at me when I die" stuff.
My perspective right now is that Rayn/Art were onto something with Vivax/Palmar. At least one of them is scum imo and prob an important role.
Only reason it makes sense to have 2 people fake claims to get me lynched today.
Onegu is prob goon and doesn't have much time so is making the 1v1 trade for me.
Damdred Idk about. I'm fairly sure Onegu wouldn't fakeclaim on me outta the blue like this as town. There is some faint tinfoil ideas about Damdred faking a claim as town to get me lynched, it makes sense for him to be convinced I'm mafia here. Like it's a really stupid play for scum!Damdred to fake claim GS to get me lynched when there is already a red check on me.
I'd still put money on SL being scum this game as well, possibly still Ness and Kush. Ness I'm honestly thinking might have legit stormed off from the game though... though I think that's more likely to happen is he's scum here feeling caught rather than a town who just felt under pressure. Idk be interesting to gauge his return.
I need you to explain to me some things:
1) Why claim today when red checked but not yesterday when 7 minutes from lynch?
2) Why is onegu mafia? (other than I am GS and he claimed red)
3) Elaborate on your damdred tinfoil theories; he claimed your role, why isn't he mafia?
4) Why should I believe you when there's an uncc'd cop with a red check?
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