OUTLAW MINI MAFIA - Page 13

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 04:08 GMT

#3672

so you have no read on him, but expect to get one when his only really known mafia meta is to be passive and inactive?????? do you know he is town and gonna post or are you in a qt or something?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 06:00 GMT

#3676

On January 04 2016 13:52 Trfel wrote:

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What?

This really isn't a complicated idea. Like, not at all.

More time means it's easier to read someone, regardless of what they are doing. However, in NocturneMage's case, more time is especially indicative because he's just replacing into the game.

Like, seriously, I shouldn't have to explain this. Do you want an elementary school explanation?

my idea is simple too.

he has had multiple days. he has shown no activity and no tenacity. his town games are all active and tenacious. his mafia game is non-inquisitive and inactive. are we together still?

you think over time you will get a read on him. which means that for some reason you think he is going to suddenly become more active and push for things. why would you think that? all indications are toward the contrary. plus if we miss mafia we are in penta-lylo without saves, so you're also saying "this is someone i would bring to lylo even though i have no read on them and am leaving in the wait and see category". doesn't make sense to me in the slightest.

basically you think you'll get a read on him for suddenly doing the opposite of what he has been doing when what he has been doing is quite literally his mafia meta. so i am sitting here wondering why in the hell you are expecting him to change behavior randomly? my drug and pain ridden brain can only arrive at spew or qt; but what the fuck do i know i am high as shit on painkillers.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 06:03 GMT

#3677

On January 04 2016 13:56 ExO_ wrote:
I spent most of today with my family. Will be kinda on and off with my activity as I prepare to go back home in 2 days. But I'll be here. I kinda took a step back from the game b/c I was feeling just incredibly disheartened. I need some help getting back into the swing of it.

I haven't read, but we need to lynch palmar today. Artanis/Rayn both thought Palmar was scummy. And with just about every other person I thought was scum dead it's my best lead.

Specifically at Ritoky, what do you think of lynching Palmar today?

i'll lynch palmar, idgaFUCK. the 2 non-confirmed town voting on him are kinda sketch tho. idk i prefer slam cuz i just think he is ezpzmafiasqueezy.

dunno how anyone is voting on 1gu, literal 0 people have rebutted how i basically confirmed him and damdred as town, which was pretty baller. 8/10 woulda been 10/10 if shot hit mafia too.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 06:08 GMT

#3678

On January 04 2016 14:59 Trfel wrote:

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Sorry, this post was not called for.

There are several potential reasons why NocturneMage's play could be like this as town, as I stated a few posts ago. If NocturneMage's play continues to be the same as time passes, then these explanations are no longer valid, and he is likely mafia. If his play changes significantly, then he could very well be town.

I need to pack my stuff, then I'll try to look at mafia stuff, but I need to wake up at like 4 tomorrow. So I'm hoping to not stay up that late.

i don't understand why you believe waiting and seeing will yield different results; it begs the question why do you believe that? just out of the kindness of your heart? or??????

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 06:14 GMT

#3679

basically we should never lynch me, damdred, onegu, coag, and exo today

we should probably not lynch SL or kush mostly cuz they really give fucks

damdred has a boner for shining so i will listen to said boner

which leaves: slam, gb, trfel, NM, OO, palmar, obi

that's the group that should be voted on today pretty much always. i think i would vote on obi last out of that group? i don't fucking know tbh; can we just lynch slam so i can regret my shot on moosy when he flips mafia?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 06:15 GMT

#3680

like seriously, not a soul town reads slam and yet it is fucking impossible to get people to vote on this motherfucker; how much more proof of mafia do you need?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 07:11 GMT

#3690

my point is just this: guy's mafia game -> low activity + weak; guy's town game -> high activity + strong

current play -> low activity + weak

truffle -> give him more time

at what point is enough time? and why do you expect time to = different play? it is 1 ML from lylo is lylo when enough time is? is 3 days when enough time is? and why if given a decent amount of time and doing things similar to his mafia games do you expect a different outcome?

to me the sensible progression is what damdred is doing. guy is doing mafia meta -> apply lynch pressure to force him to do things -> get read from things -> decide if lynch. i don't see what the "give him more time and defend his play" route yields when his play has not been town indicative.

i guess my point is i think damdred is approaching NM from a very town perspective and i have no clue about you and why you're hard defending an essentially afk player who could easily be mafia.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 07:14 GMT

#3691

On January 04 2016 15:39 ExO_ wrote:

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I'll clearly sheep on palmar, but I could be swayed to slam. I just feel like Palmar has to be scum. But so far this game I've been mostly wrong :/

dunno, they're probably both mafia tbh, just a matter of lynch order.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 07:43 GMT

#3694

you want my wifom as fuck read about ness? shared only for you because i am under the influence!!!!

i didn't find player interactions with him to be particularly toxic. not enough to drive someone into quitting the game and never coming back. which indicates something more going on.....PERHAPS QT TOXICITY AND FRUSTRATION FOR BUSSING!!!!??!?!?!? HMMMMM WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM

going to sleep tho cuz u know how it goes, you're supposed to rest and shit when you're injured.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 19:59 GMT

#3844

feeling worse than i did yesterday...giant switch to gb. is there a case on gb that someone can quote me?

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 20:04 GMT

#3849

On January 05 2016 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:
we lynch slam and then we're back here where we started with no new real information about the game because his filter is a minefield of random tangents and spirit of the chupazi

gb flips mafia and we finally get a feel for the larger composition of the scum team based on interactions and reads

or we're completely wrong and whatever, scum team are gods, god bless em

are you so sure gb is mafia that you're willing to take a "minefield" to lylo?

also some1 quote case plz.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 20:08 GMT

#3854

On January 05 2016 04:59 ExO_ wrote:

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I'm sheeping you ritoky so wherever you end today Ill follow

you got any opinion on the recent gb movement?

fine i will go find whatever semblance of a case exists myself.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 20:10 GMT

#3856

On January 04 2016 23:03 Palmar wrote:
Glowingbear

I've had an issue with glowingbear since day 1. Remember I talked about my townread on Exo which then blew up into an argument between us two (this particular part of the game is also involved in my feelings about kush).

During this argument, Exo made precisely the point that GB makes in his question and I responded to it. There is no way GB was attentively reading that conversation to come up with that question, he just threw it out there.

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In fact, go to glowingbear's filter, like half of it, especially on day 1 is just him asking random questions without really following them up or giving any explanations to his thoughts while asking. I can quote quite a few:

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On December 27 2015 11:19 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 11:14 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 11:11 Holyflare wrote:

On December 27 2015 11:00 Koshi wrote:

On December 27 2015 10:25 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote:
To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.

Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.

1) First riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.

goal:
- A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
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question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)

2) second riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.

goal:
- Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.

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question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)

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1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.

In your picture it would be:

Back person: *Silence*
Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"

2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?

Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.

first one is correct

Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.

The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.

The situation would go as follows:

As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".

Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.

Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".

^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with

Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.

But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?

To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.)
I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.

Much more important than who is town

Who is Mafia?

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Like I get trying to get people to explain things, but at some point you're just inflating your post count.

Which brings me neatly to my next point:

Glowingbear has a 10 page filter, 7 of which are from day 1. He has basically dropped off the face of the earth (which sort of fits him being mafia, because with tictock fumbling his claim the game is actually going splendidly for mafia.

He's not doing anything, he's been combative but isn't actually trying to get people to do his bidding. Even today he seems to barely care who gets lynched.

GB is perfectly capable of pushing things in later days, I've seen him do it. When he has conviction to do something he usually just does it, yet he is barely even trying this game. If you guys don't believe me go read christmas carol and compare his push on holyflare in that game to his push on holyflare or me this game.

thanks ritoky

you're welcome ritoky

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

January 04 2016 20:17 GMT

#3859

mafia gb -> FUCK YOU HF -> ritoky: talk about non-hf things -> BUT HF MAFIA -> hf dies -> hf town -> fuck off and never re-evaluate game after being wrong

i can see it. if it was anyone but HF i could see it more cuz i know GB tends to fight HF regardless of alignment because it amuses him.