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On January 06 2016 05:23 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 05:00 ExO_ wrote:On January 06 2016 04:37 ritoky wrote:
exo, even if your tinfoil is right (which at least part of it is miguided because palmar tried to shift the votes to gb at the expense of himself dying which doesn't exactly seem like "protecting a role"); there's still 3 other mafia. can you talk about who those might be? and without them being associative reads to palmar I think kush is probably scum. I know you said without associative reads to Palmar, but if Im operating under the assumption that Palmar is town (which I am right now) then kush town reading him when every other townie who died so far scum read him is suspect. Shining is suspect to me right now. Only 4 pages of filter and is continually in state of "will be trying later". I don't know how much I buy of him being this inactive as town. I think good chance of slam being scum. But its purely based on people im town reading, you and Damdred, driving me that way Now what tinfoil hat theory are you talking about? Even when I play, I have short filters. Even when im in a trying later state, I say stuff. Might not be good or thought out but I'm not skating by. Try harder pls. Are you saying you're familiar with my town meta and that I'm not inactive as town then? What's your read on Trfel atm?
I town read trfel pretty early on and I haven't seen a good reason to change that read. ofc I haven't payed much attention to anything other than Palmar lately. Is there a reason I should change my town read on trfel?
Also try harder? You first mate. Actually give me a case that I can get behind because so far you've hardly done anything.
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On January 06 2016 06:09 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 05:59 ExO_ wrote:On January 06 2016 05:23 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 05:00 ExO_ wrote:On January 06 2016 04:37 ritoky wrote:
exo, even if your tinfoil is right (which at least part of it is miguided because palmar tried to shift the votes to gb at the expense of himself dying which doesn't exactly seem like "protecting a role"); there's still 3 other mafia. can you talk about who those might be? and without them being associative reads to palmar I think kush is probably scum. I know you said without associative reads to Palmar, but if Im operating under the assumption that Palmar is town (which I am right now) then kush town reading him when every other townie who died so far scum read him is suspect. Shining is suspect to me right now. Only 4 pages of filter and is continually in state of "will be trying later". I don't know how much I buy of him being this inactive as town. I think good chance of slam being scum. But its purely based on people im town reading, you and Damdred, driving me that way Now what tinfoil hat theory are you talking about? Even when I play, I have short filters. Even when im in a trying later state, I say stuff. Might not be good or thought out but I'm not skating by. Try harder pls. Are you saying you're familiar with my town meta and that I'm not inactive as town then? What's your read on Trfel atm? I town read trfel pretty early on and I haven't seen a good reason to change that read. ofc I haven't payed much attention to anything other than Palmar lately. Is there a reason I should change my town read on trfel? Also try harder? You first mate. Actually give me a case that I can get behind because so far you've hardly done anything. I've been phone posting a bunch my last few times here so cases are a bit hard to make and even though it's late in the game, I'm still fleshing out reads. Like yours. So if Trfel is a tr of yours since pretty early on, why have you been focusing only on Palmar and now trying to scum kush for what looks like tmi regarding Palmars alignment? You've dropped your scum read on Palmar and are now accusing kush of knowing he's town cuz of tmi. Why isn't kush scum for anything Trfel mentioned, since he's been scumming/trying to push him multiple times? I'll have to check your filter to see if you even mentioned Trfels case on kush.
Again I was pushing Palmar because I was convinced he's scum. I wasn't seeing too much beyond that. What does trfel being a town read of mine have to do with me focusing on Palmar? And scumming Kush for tmi on Palmar, are you kidding me right now?
You've been getting my thoughts pretty much straight up this game. I don't always read and I can get caught up in my own ideas sometimes. If you really think I'm playing some kind of next level scum game the lynch me. I'm not scum, and I'm trying my best here. I may not be the best player at this game but I am trying.
I'm not carefully editting my posts before I post them because I have nothing to hide. I hardly know anything about trfels case on Kush. I haven't payed a lot of attention to trfel lately.
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On January 06 2016 06:13 nooniansoong wrote:
so i'm the one townie left scummy enough for the scumteam to scumread.
why aren't you scum? What's been your major contribution to town this game?
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On January 06 2016 06:45 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 06:38 ExO_ wrote:On January 06 2016 06:13 nooniansoong wrote:
so i'm the one townie left scummy enough for the scumteam to scumread. why aren't you scum? What's been your major contribution to town this game? lots of stuff. ask the people who are actually playing. they will all tell you im town.
Stuff such as? people such as?
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I misread your post as you were saying my flip on palmars alignment meant I had tmi, which meant you were scum reading me. Although saying I put you on a guilt trip is going a bit far don't you think? You sure are trying hard to get me to tilt aren't you
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On my phone. Tomorrow im flying back to Houston, so don't expect lots of activity from me until the following day (or if Im not tired after getting home tomorrow). Im not sure 100% who I think is scum. Since I have to choose today though:
kush
shining
slam
and +1. Im really not all that sure for the last slot at all.
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Im playing around with the daily votes and colors right now to see if I can find any trends. So far this is what I've noticed:
GB on day 1 voted for townies: (ticktock, Vivax, Holyflare). The only possible bus he could've done would be on NESS (Nocture Mage now) if NM turns out to be scum. If not this means GB didn't bus a single time on day 1.
On day 2 GB was on ticktock like everyone else,
Day 3 he was on Palmar, and OWS.
Looking at this data, I tend to think GB wasn't bussing at all this game. I guess its quite possible he would bus on Day 3 but I don't think so. If Palmar is town and OWS is town then I think it indicates that NM is probably town as well. Since I think Palmar is town and OWS is basically cleared by SL, I tend to think GB never once voted for his scum teammates.
Another interesting tidbits are where noonian songs votes have been
Day 1: Briefly Voting for Palmar, ends on Slam
Day 2: Votes Self
Day 3: Votes Slam
Kush has for the most part only been voting for Slam. Like non-stop. Call it confirmation bias, but I think this is scum indicative. Day 1 he's safely on neither wagon, day 2 he votes self (which btw I didn't think was allowed and I didn't even notice). Day 3 again voting for Slam. In the event that Slam flips scum (which I think he will) Kush can say he pushed slam, while at the same time he's stayed way out of the spotlight, voting wise).
That's all I got for now, will come back into the thread if I notice anything noteworthy
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Slam's voting patterns unfortunately don't reveal anything. He was on Vivax day 1, didn't vote day 2, and on GB day 3.
On day 1 he didn't switch his vote a single time, and on day 3 he switched from Onegu to GB, to save himself.
Assuming he is scum, the mod might be reluctant to mod kill him on day 2. On the other hand 2 other people weren't voting as well. I don't know if parking your votes and never switching them is alignment indicative for Slam, but that's basically what he's done in this game. Only voted GB to save himself presumably.
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I think Onegu is scum. His fake claim bullshit on day 2 has let him slide by like Damdred. Only unlike Damdred he hasn't done anything since then. His filter is 4 pages long, and he has 1 post on the 4th page. He's not doing anything. On day 3 he switched off of Slam and went to GB (this is true of OO and SL as well). If I work with the assumption that Onegu is scum it leads me to the following scum team:
Onegu
Shining
Slam
Kush
Day 3
Kush parks his vote on Slam and never moves it at all. Shining votes for GB, and Onegu moves from Slam to GB. GB never throws his vote on slam (inexplicably). This gets GB lynched, and protects slam for another day.
I think slam is a scum with a role, and I think we should lynch him today.
##Vote Alakaslam
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On January 07 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote:
That's interesting why do you spend so much time talking about how onegu must be scum but decide that slam has to be scum because of something that isn't true.
When GB ended up being lynched I tried to shennanigan onto slam but the true counter wagon during the day was palmar. You saying slam wad the other wagon is wrong. And when slam had a large amount of votes before we moved to GB palmar was still the counter wagon.
so yeah
...I was one of the people moving to Slam during that time, don't you remember? I wanted to lynch Palmar but it never really got enough steam. And then when the movement to Slam started, Palmar almost switched (or at least implied he did) but ultimately decided to stay on GB>
What is untrue about what I'm saying?
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Also that's all you have to say Damdred? no other comments?
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On January 07 2016 07:31 ritoky wrote:
1gu is capable of doing nothing as either alignment exo
why am i allowed to shoot if damdred or onegu is mafia? especially since all greens were killed so mafia likely didn't know who was blue at that time (and consequently who to occupy with the rb)
walk me through what you're asking here exactly. I know you've talked about it before but walk me through it here
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On January 07 2016 07:41 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 16:32 ritoky wrote:On January 06 2016 15:18 ExO_ wrote:
On my phone. Tomorrow im flying back to Houston, so don't expect lots of activity from me until the following day (or if Im not tired after getting home tomorrow). Im not sure 100% who I think is scum. Since I have to choose today though:
kush
shining
slam
and +1. Im really not all that sure for the last slot at all. why shining? fabrication, omgus, inactivity or? I'm still on that list but he chose not to answer this, although he's here still throwing out association reads. Noted.
Inactivity, and I don't believe your play right now is consistent with how I think your town play should be. Instead of coming on with a lot of big analysis posts, you got in a mini confrontation with me. Since you've actually started posting I don't think you've helped town.
It's not impossible that you are town, and someone else is scum. But the only other person I think fits with my above line of thinking is ObviousOne. And quite simply I think you're more likely to be scum than he is.
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On January 07 2016 07:42 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 07:33 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:31 ritoky wrote:
1gu is capable of doing nothing as either alignment exo
why am i allowed to shoot if damdred or onegu is mafia? especially since all greens were killed so mafia likely didn't know who was blue at that time (and consequently who to occupy with the rb) walk me through what you're asking here exactly. I know you've talked about it before but walk me through it here the premise you need to accept is this: mafia don't want to risk being 50/50 shot at night or 100/0 shot at night (1st implies 1 of damd/onegu mafia, 2nd implies both). or rather mafia is generally risk averse to put it more simply. if you accept that then here's what follows. damdred and onegu do claim stuffz on TT. TT flips blue, i spend the night blustering a bit like i am going to shoot between the two, damdred encourages me to shoot him or onegu. so that night everything is set up so that (in my mind at least) the mafia team should believe with relative certainty that i am shooting between 1gu and damdred. if that shot is an unfavorable outcome for the mafia team, then they would simply roleblock me. they denied a town kp by lynching TT and denying a second one while potentially saving a teammate is too good of EV for a sensible player to pass up. if me shooting into damdred and 1gu is a favorable outcome aka both are town then it makes perfect sense to leave me unblocked and allow me to shoot a town (and probably subsequently try to ML the other). i thought of this though and mind gamed them, because to me the EV is too high to pass up RBing me if 1 is mafia so basically if i get blocked i confirm at least 1 is mafia, if i don't get blocked i confirm both are town; and so i shoot outside of the two knowing that if block then 1 is mafia, if not block then both are town.
It relies on you being right about convincing scum you are going to shoot Damdred or Onegu. I don't really remember at this point how everything went down, but are you sure scum would've believed you?
Who claimed first, Damdred or Onegu?
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On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that
I do think I have the game solved already. Which is why I post it out here to see if anybody can poke holes in what I have to say and make me reconsider. The only other person I think could be swapped in would be OO for your, but I think you're more likely to be scum than him. That might be because I am somewhat familiar with you, and I might be wrong.
Either way I think it doesn't matter too much just yet. Lynching Slam first will reveal a lot, and from there I can figure out if I am wrong about you or not.
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On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that
And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it?
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Onegu claims red check on (and therefore claims cop) on tictock right? Thats what started the entire chain of events?
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So at this point, Onegu (as scum) would be attempting to get TT lynched, and there's no explanation for it. Since TT would likely be lynched anyway, there'd be no need to try to trade to get TT lynched.
hmm....
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On January 07 2016 08:21 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it? Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him."
Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it
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On January 07 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 08:31 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 08:21 The Shining wrote:On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it? Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him." Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it Man, you get really angsty when you roll scum, holy shit. First HF, now me. Thanks for this. Way to deflect the fact that once again you've completely misunderstood what I've said to go into anger/defensive mode. There is no explanation for multiple outbursts like that if you're town. Maybe if you didn't misunderstand or misrepresent every fucking thing I say and immediately get defensive and whiny over it, you'd have had a shot at not giving yourself away, scum.
After the game is over, (and if you aren't scum) I want you to apologize. I'm not scum at all and every time I've tried to talk to you, you try to tilt me. After being basically absent all game as well.
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