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On January 05 2016 22:17 NocturneMage wrote:
GB is bluehunting, I know for a fact from my newbie game as cop he was very active doing it in the mafia qt, and I even caught on to trigger phrases that the scumteam used (admittedly with the help of my coach at that time).
When did the idea that I was blue hunting first crossed your mind?
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On January 06 2016 02:30 nooniansoong wrote:
Gb less questions more conclusions from you.
I need answers so I can draw conclusions.
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On January 06 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:On January 06 2016 02:30 nooniansoong wrote:
Gb less questions more conclusions from you. I need answers so I can draw conclusions. You have 54 pages to draw conclusions from. Your questions aren't specific. They are broad, asking for list posts. It makes it seem like youre asking them for the sake of asking them.
My opinion hasn't change on people, for now my townreads were all right and there is nothing new in thread. What's new in thread needs further investigation and that's what I'm doing
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On January 06 2016 04:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
GB can you list me the scummers then so I don't have to do anything?
Mderg/Gyigas/?
I'm working, will be here in six hours from now, then I'll filter dive to show you what I'm talking about
It seems I'll have to put effort
And lol that was so bad that I re-asked Kmatt's reads
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People, stop talking about coaches, it is against the rules of the newbie games
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On January 06 2016 04:43 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.
His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.
That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.
To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first. 1 At the end of the day he said he needed to reasses his scumteam. So why would scum kill him for reads he didn't even have anymore? 2 Did you consider that scum killed him because he looked town?
1) because he was universally town read. His approach to the game was also very experienced. He is a better player than most of veterans in these forums already.
2) Of course? Why else would scum kill him? Do you think scum was blue hunting since the beginning?
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I'm here after working all day
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On January 06 2016 09:45 NocturneMage wrote:
GB, I read that post a few times and tried to break down what you are trying to do with the question. That's the issue. The direction of your question made no sense to me - the question centred around something that was already known to begin with when the statement was made and when you asked it.
I don't recall him ever scumreading or townreading that slot to begin with (and even if he did, then????) and I am not sure what you could do with the information other than to say wait he didn't have a read but why would it matter now since he's flipped. Additionally, when I read the question I get extremely wary of anything that discusses blue roles/situations/reads outside situations where there are claims/counterclaims/fakeclaims near end of cycle, and even then sometimes you have to be careful. There was a potential risk that you get a reaction where a townie - especially a newbie townie - is going to spew something that further helps narrow the field down or outright gives himself away.
In general, it reminded me of what happened right after the lynch I discussed in newbie 14. I always review scum qts especially when scum endgame and what stuck out to me was your rolehunting. So taking it into account who it was coming from, I got concerned.
NM:
1) I never role hunt in thread. All the information you have about my role hunting is based on what you've seen in a QT. IN A QT. I don't even know how to ask things in order to know people's roles. I just can distinguish kinda well when someone plays while being or not a power role.
2) That blue role is dead so I have no idea how I could be blue hunting for that guy.
3) How can I manage to discover roles by asking that question?
4) My intention to ask that question is to see how his answer stands to his posts in the thread. I couldn't see a single hint that the cow was blue. How that guy could? If he saw something very obscure it is because HE is blue hunting.
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What bothers me is that you guys are scumreading me for reasons that doesn't make me scum.
Giving early town reads? Tell me Mafia motivation to do that. So you think I would narrow my lynch targets right out of the bat for the sake of being town read by it, but UH OH it doesn't give ME a town read :/.
Being inactive? I have been posting whenever I can and being really transparent with things I say.
What else? Being nice to newbies in the beginning of the game? Ok, so not only I can't get laid being nice, I can't also do it playing Mafia? Rofl
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On January 06 2016 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
The main reason i had him as scum was he stayed on onegu while his scumread gigyas voted onegu too. The timing means gb had little time to move if any at all so my reason for scumming hin is invalid
My scum read Onegu also voted the other wagon. So I would've voted with my scum reads castng my vote in any wagon.
I've already explained that although the chart says I never vote with my scum reads as town, this isn't true. I'm well aware of the possibility of being wrong on these guys or even the possibility of a bus. I take who are voting with me as a complementary information. If I'm certain someone is Mafia, who votes with me doesn't really matter that much
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On January 06 2016 04:48 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On January 06 2016 04:43 nooniansoong wrote:On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.
His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.
That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.
To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first. 1 At the end of the day he said he needed to reasses his scumteam. So why would scum kill him for reads he didn't even have anymore? 2 Did you consider that scum killed him because he looked town? 1) because he was universally town read. His approach to the game was also very experienced. He is a better player than most of veterans in these forums already. 2) Of course? Why else would scum kill him? Do you think scum was blue hunting since the beginning? ok so why do you think it's a good idea to base your scumread of gigyas on his if you admit that's not why he was killed.
I don't admit that. I admit that Irish was killed because he was looking townie. Which doesn't mean Mafia didn't think he was also a danger to the team while scum reading Giygas.
But the reason I scum read Giygas is that it is already day3 and I know nothing about his reads. He is not engaged, he is not investigating. He is here, comes by and do nothing. There is something in particular: he decided to vote me last day. After asking me questions that I answered and made him say "oh yes you're right you already said that". What I mean is that, from our interaction, you can see that he had a suspicion on something about me and when proved wrong, he backtracked. Therefore, it basically means he dropped his suspicions on me. Why voting me, then? It came out of the blue.
Then Gyigas voted Onegu. Again, what under Giygas POV makes him switch to Onegu's wagon? Basically, me and Onegu are never partners for the way we've pushed each other. So if Giygas actually was scum reading me, how come he switches to Onegu?
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On January 06 2016 20:52 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 17:16 GiygaS wrote:
Like I'm right that fdei's post could easily be from a town if GB is town right? Chainsaw is only a scumtell if the person they are defending is scum. But then who's scum? I have solid town reads on noon, kmatt and nm. Which means I'm wrong about one of those people or the scum team is 3 of GB, fdei, ff and mderg. Makes a lot more sense for the first 3 to be a scum team than the last one to be on a team with GB and fdei after fdei's post. Fideis case is still a chainsaw defense even if gb isn't scum. Also it's full of misrepresentations. Gb your reason for voting gigyas was bad and scummy. There's other Scummy stuff in forgetting. What Seals the deal is the general lack of towniness.
Forgetting stuff I do as town, Mafia and.... Somethig that I just forgot.
And activity drop happens all the time especially now that I got back to work.
Check haunted mansion mini Mafia if you need proof
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On January 06 2016 21:20 nooniansoong wrote:
Irish said he had to re-read and reasses therefore his scum reads were going to change
Reassessing scum reads doesn't mean he would drop them, necessarily. Why are you pushing this information so hard?
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On January 06 2016 22:08 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 21:10 Fidei86 wrote:On January 06 2016 10:08 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, that second point is bad. Wow. I just don't understand this pov. GB said that he thought there was something to be gained by looking at Irish's scum reads. GB then accurately recited Irish's scum reads. Mderg then basically said that GB had done so in a misleading way. But mderg didn't follow up that point by saying "oh yeah you actually can tell something from the other reads Irish had". It isn't like he was trying to make a nuanced argument based on that point, he just shit on GB fullstop. And even if he had, it doesn't matter anyway because GB wasn't purporting to talk about all of Irish's reads in the first place. To me, that is mderg trying to scum GB for bad reasons, at best. And that is following on from his GB read which honestly has made no sense to me the entire game. It wasn't the recitation of the scum reads that was a problem, it was how it was being used. I had the same problem. You're confusing use with intention. It wasn't confirming the scumreads, it was what he did with the Irish scumreads. Those are two separate points. And GB not purporting to talk.....he didn't need to.
What did I do that was wrong?
Why do townies get shot, NM?
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On January 06 2016 22:13 NocturneMage wrote:
GB in that argument said he was "confident" (paraphrasing) mderg was scum and made a previous argument on Onegu (now flipped town) that he is stating something that he cannot possibly believe in. This is a mafia indicative assertion.
The argument against GigyaS at that time was NK WIFOM.
In stating his scumreads GB votes GigyaS from the off when he had two reads with - in his view - stronger basis.
Why is what mderg did unfathomable/unbelievable/impossible/whatever word you want from a town perspective?
Why the Bolded is a Mafia indicative assertion? Explain to me how that assertion can't come from a town and why that assertion is a consequence of a scum mindset.
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On January 06 2016 22:18 NocturneMage wrote:Separate point - these comments were made at GB. Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 04:11 Onegu wrote:
Also meta doesnt work on me GB you have played with me long enough to know this. I purposely change how I play both alignments periodically so I cant be meta read. And the fact that you are trying to meta read me is complete garbage. Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 00:50 Onegu wrote:
GB not deciding to defend himself just saying it is a town case from kmatt is really telling.
And yes I will be tunneled on to fword dude and GB until they are dead, I am dead or it is lylo then I will reevaluate in lylo. Tunnel for now. We know Onegu's flipped green, so at the very least these are honest. On the first one, I trust that players know their own meta and own methods of solving the game.
ROFL now you're just full of shit. So now that Onegu is town his "meta" on me is accurate? Give me a break m
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On January 06 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 23:12 GlowingBear wrote:On January 06 2016 21:20 nooniansoong wrote:
Irish said he had to re-read and reasses therefore his scum reads were going to change Reassessing scum reads doesn't mean he would drop them, necessarily. Why are you pushing this information so hard? Um because it is your only current scumread with actual reasoning behind it. So I don't have a lot to push lol. We can argue in vain about how sure he was about his reads. All we know is "reread and reasses" indicates he had some extent of doubt about his reads. That doubt was not acknowledged by you and it makes your reasoning for voting gigyas that much weaker. People have answered your questions. You have done nothing with the answers. I'd like you to make some content other than defending yourself. You could give your thoughts about fidei's case since that seems to be the hot topic right now.
NO
IT DOESN'T MAKE IT WEAKER
BECAUSE REASSESSING DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN DROPPING
And as soon as people told me I was WIFOM I've reevaluated and dropped it.
Now I'm conscious about Giygas and I think he looks scummy for all the reasons I've brouhht AND IF YOU THINK I'M PUSHING GIYGAS BECAUSE OF THE NIGHTKILL YOU ARE NOT READING MY FUCKING POSTS
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On January 06 2016 23:24 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 23:20 GlowingBear wrote:On January 06 2016 22:13 NocturneMage wrote:
GB in that argument said he was "confident" (paraphrasing) mderg was scum and made a previous argument on Onegu (now flipped town) that he is stating something that he cannot possibly believe in. This is a mafia indicative assertion.
The argument against GigyaS at that time was NK WIFOM.
In stating his scumreads GB votes GigyaS from the off when he had two reads with - in his view - stronger basis.
Why is what mderg did unfathomable/unbelievable/impossible/whatever word you want from a town perspective? Why the Bolded is a Mafia indicative assertion? Explain to me how that assertion can't come from a town and why that assertion is a consequence of a scum mindset. You misunderstood. I'm not saying that was mafia indicative for you. You are making an assertion on Onegu that he cannot believe what he is possibly saying. The argument you are making on Onegu is a mafia indicative assertion on Onegu.
Ok, so?
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On January 06 2016 23:28 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 23:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 06 2016 22:18 NocturneMage wrote:Separate point - these comments were made at GB. On December 31 2015 04:11 Onegu wrote:
Also meta doesnt work on me GB you have played with me long enough to know this. I purposely change how I play both alignments periodically so I cant be meta read. And the fact that you are trying to meta read me is complete garbage. On January 03 2016 00:50 Onegu wrote:
GB not deciding to defend himself just saying it is a town case from kmatt is really telling.
And yes I will be tunneled on to fword dude and GB until they are dead, I am dead or it is lylo then I will reevaluate in lylo. Tunnel for now. We know Onegu's flipped green, so at the very least these are honest. On the first one, I trust that players know their own meta and own methods of solving the game. ROFL now you're just full of shit. So now that Onegu is town his "meta" on me is accurate? Give me a break m No, this statement does not indicate he's metaing you. He's arguing that people should not meta him. Those are two separate points. The argument is not YOUR meta. The statement is what YOU are doing about HIS meta. What Onegu's flip does do here is show that his interpretion of his own reads on people is accurate. The reason I brought that up was because I also want other people who know Onegu better to discuss this.
Last game I had a possible scum tell from Onegu. It was that he doesn't waste his vote when he is Mafia. And I saw it here. Check haunted mansion again if you don't believe me. I've clearly stated in one of my posts that I thought I had a tell on him. I think that was the game.
And my main reason to vote Onegu wasn't meta, it was that I thought he couldn't believe whst he was saying about the scum slip when Shapelog did the same thing and didn't get scum read by Onegu.
Are you sure you're reading my filter?
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On January 06 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 23:12 GlowingBear wrote:On January 06 2016 21:20 nooniansoong wrote:
Irish said he had to re-read and reasses therefore his scum reads were going to change Reassessing scum reads doesn't mean he would drop them, necessarily. Why are you pushing this information so hard? Um because it is your only current scumread with actual reasoning behind it. So I don't have a lot to push lol. We can argue in vain about how sure he was about his reads. All we know is "reread and reasses" indicates he had some extent of doubt about his reads. That doubt was not acknowledged by you and it makes your reasoning for voting gigyas that much weaker. People have answered your questions. You have done nothing with the answers. I'd like you to make some content other than defending yourself. You could give your thoughts about fidei's case since that seems to be the hot topic right now.
People didn't answer all the questions, in still waiting for Giygas to answer my. I couldn't care for Kmatt's answer because I saw nothing malicious in it
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