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On January 03 2016 00:55 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.
His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.
That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.
To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first. I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play. ##vote GB
His other reads were town reads dude, why would I take that into consideration when deciding who to lynch now? Rofl
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On January 03 2016 01:19 NocturneMage wrote:My take on GB, going through his filter. Points that make GB scummy (1) Engagement with KMatt was poor when he initially scumread him and early on I felt he didn't do anything with his reaction test (or whatever it is) that got any alignment indicative information on Shapelog (the only other person interacting at the time), etc. This I thought was scummy from GB. (2) This post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500060-newbie-student-mafia-xviii?page=31#615Kush voting with Onegu was after Onegu gave one reason for voting Fidei and Kush at that time gave a separate reason for voting Fidei. So I don't think this is unreasonable and it looks like you are taking the situation out of context. (3) The post on killing GigyaS is bad because D1 nightkills yield little information, like I did in a few of the games I've played you need multiple nights of NK WIFOM analysis or NK WIFOM analysis with something else to more reasonably go after someone. (4) Stance on mderg. From what I can tell mderg has posted in and out of the thread since GB has made his initial scumread on him and GB seems pretty content to call him mafia without (from what I can tell) any re-evaluation. (5) Related to (4), hard stance on Onegu in nightphase - he's saying that Onegu cannot possibly believe what he's saying/double standards on him and Shapelog but then he takes a read based on LESS RELIABLE INFORMATION (NK WIFOM from night 1) and wants to lynch GigyaS over what from his perspective should be MORE RELIABLE INFORMATION (Onegu cannot believe what he's possibly saying). The problem with this is that both GB and Onegu are calling each other mafia, Onegu is straightaway lynching GB, GB isn't lynching Onegu straightaway though, so I'm trying to figure out if this could be the surface of double bussing or what.
(1) I've just explained that it wasn't a reaction test, it was just to have people discussing. This means that how people react doesn't matter. So I don't necessarily was expecting a response from Shapelog and I don't necessarily need to infer anything from his responses. Also, have in mind that although I've posted a vote without reasoning, it doesn't mean I didn't have a read on Kmatt. I did.
(2) I didn't click on the post lol so I don't know what you're talking about, I will check it after I post this.
(3) Fair enough. I had in mind that if I wasn't going to be killed night1 it was because I was wrong (my reads differ from basically everyone in the thread, I supposed that if I was right I would die, therefore, my reads are wrong and I should re-check Irish's scum reads). But you are right.
(4) Lurking isn't the reason I am scum reading him, so coming in and out of the thread doesn't matter. What matters is HOW he is doing it, and he is being very selective on what to talk about and not really pursuing any person to further investigate people's alignment, which makes me think he is scum.
(5) You're right, again. I should be voting Onegu.
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Mderg, what's your read on Koshi?
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On January 03 2016 01:45 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 01:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Mderg, what's your read on Koshi? Koshi is always town. He's not in this game, though.
ROFL I meant Onegu
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On January 03 2016 01:47 NocturneMage wrote:
GB -
Re: (4) I didn't say you were scumreading mderg for lurking. I am saying that he is providing new content (re-entering thread, that wasn't supposed to be a lurking context) and then you are not re-evaluating him on that.
On (4) you still think his approach after his latest bit of posting is scummy?
Yes, I think his approach to the game is the same since the beginning of the game
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On January 03 2016 02:54 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 00:55 Fidei86 wrote:
Only two points on GB:
1. His early reads were mostly town reads and were short, but that fits in with him being in another game. Kmatt puts a lot of emphasis on that in his case, but it's NAI if anything. In my mind it's more towny than anything as he would find it harder to walk back if he needed for a ML.
2. My experience of playing GB is that he struggles to maintain calm when he plays as scum. In the game we played together, he was much more acerbic and less flexible with his reads. He's different here - note #736 where he re-evaluates on Kmatt.
GB is an experienced player who probably could change up his meta, but I think he's probably town. He's not the lynch today for sure. What do you think about GB's voting GigyaS and then Onegu after I explained my issues with him? And especially voting GigyaS after going hard on Onegu from the perspective that Onegu couldn't possibly believe what he is saying night 1? Another point against GB is that in spite of him being confident that mderg is scum (not so much the last post, that was after the fact but I'm referring to post 735), still why GigyaS over either of those two? How does this make sense from a town perspective?
I've just explained why I voted Giygas instead of my main scumreads??
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On January 03 2016 03:07 GiygaS wrote:
GB can you now elaborate on the reads you had but never explained? Why did you have those reads?
Which ones? Please tell me because I thought I've explained most of them.
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On January 03 2016 02:42 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 02:05 GlowingBear wrote:On January 03 2016 01:45 mderg wrote:On January 03 2016 01:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Mderg, what's your read on Koshi? Koshi is always town. He's not in this game, though. ROFL I meant Onegu He's meh. Not much actual content coming from him and he isn't trying that much to bring the discussion forwards. For the most part he was just going after the supposed scumslip. His extreme insistence on lynching Fidei for the scumslip makes me think he's town but I wouldn't be surprised, if he was scum. So, probably town but I don't want to be the one to make the decision on him.
Why is he in one of your lynch lists then?
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On January 02 2016 03:15 mderg wrote:I kind of just want to lynch Onegu, GB and kush because reading through that scumslip discussion was so annoying. Show nested quote +On January 01 2016 13:33 Shapelog wrote:On December 31 2015 04:25 Irishbound wrote:On December 31 2015 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Kush and fidei are probably town
It should be clear that Kmatt is Mafia right now
So you think Onegu is town? Mderg also? Yes, I've got a town read on Onegus reaction towards Fideis post, it's not a particularly strong one but not even remotely interested in lynching there. I do have a very strong town read on Mderg, his reads and thoughts mirror mine when catching up quite often, I can understand his reasoning behind almost all of his reads, I'd almost bet the entire game on him being town. Want to make an agreement Glowing? We lynch Scott today, if he's mafia like I expect you let me tell you where to put your vote tomorrow, if he flips town you can tell me where to place mine. Page 28. This is either a big ass mafia slip (which btw, mderg copied his scum slip from me! look at the filter its their.) Or one huge town tell This may be the hangover but I don't quite get the part about me.
You did it here. Was it a joke?
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On January 03 2016 03:33 nooniansoong wrote:
Gb thatreasoning for voting gigyas is so bad
Lynch me then, and once I flip town, lynch my scumreads.
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On January 03 2016 04:00 nooniansoong wrote:
Mderg shape onegu are scum I think
To be fair I am fairly suspicious of shape also. His "excitement" to play the game doesn't fit with his inactivity and the way he is NOT trying to solve the game
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On January 03 2016 03:14 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 03:09 GlowingBear wrote:On January 03 2016 03:07 GiygaS wrote:
GB can you now elaborate on the reads you had but never explained? Why did you have those reads? Which ones? Please tell me because I thought I've explained most of them. Woops nvm, accidentally skipped a page on your filter.
What do you think of my reads?
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On January 03 2016 04:06 nooniansoong wrote:
Gb
Kush
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On January 04 2016 04:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.
My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.
Where do i do this at? I have notified the main host of this game kitaman27.
You've just confirmed shape as town :/
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Why am I Mafia, NM?
I've went against every single point you've wrote. You decided I'm Mafia because I didn't come back earlier. Is that all?
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Am I really getting lynched?
ROFL
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On January 04 2016 05:27 The Shining wrote:
Hey guys. I'm caught up. Looks like I have a little under 2 hours before EoD and GB and Onegu are the lynches? They're pretty close(4-3) which indicates to me one may actually be scum, although I haven't really analyzed the cases on either of them yet.
I will say Onegu has activity here that I'm def not used to in the few games I've played with him, which makes him a bit questionable to me and he is stuck solely on Onegu-centric reads and the "scumslip" from Fidei but I don't actually think it's a scumflip. When I read it, I understood it as Onegu being the easiest ML when he's town, it was definitely implied throughout the wording of the entire post.
I saw Kmatts post asking me about thoughts and his case on GB and from what I can remember during reading, GB felt pretty nice and lax and trying to be friends with everyone, although it being a Newbie game probably makes that NAI vs scum buddying. I'll go read his filter first to make a final decision and answer Kmatts post, then get to Onegu.
Give me some help here, I'm not mafia and I have no idea why there are at least 2 townies voting me
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NEVER LYNCH
The Shining
Shapelog
nooniansoong
Probably Town
Kmatt
Fidei86
Probably scum
mderg
Onegu
GiygaS
Special Category
NocturneMage - he is either townie or good mafia. If you successfully lynched two mafia out of that list I've wrote and is in LYLO, you lynch this guy 100% of the times. You don't have to worry about him until LYLO, tho, since he is more likely to be town. I can't explain this read very well, but trust me.
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On January 04 2016 06:22 mderg wrote:I'm fairly confident you're scum
For no good reason. It doesn't matter since you're 100% mafia.
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On January 04 2016 06:36 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 06:17 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 05:27 The Shining wrote:
Hey guys. I'm caught up. Looks like I have a little under 2 hours before EoD and GB and Onegu are the lynches? They're pretty close(4-3) which indicates to me one may actually be scum, although I haven't really analyzed the cases on either of them yet.
I will say Onegu has activity here that I'm def not used to in the few games I've played with him, which makes him a bit questionable to me and he is stuck solely on Onegu-centric reads and the "scumslip" from Fidei but I don't actually think it's a scumflip. When I read it, I understood it as Onegu being the easiest ML when he's town, it was definitely implied throughout the wording of the entire post.
I saw Kmatts post asking me about thoughts and his case on GB and from what I can remember during reading, GB felt pretty nice and lax and trying to be friends with everyone, although it being a Newbie game probably makes that NAI vs scum buddying. I'll go read his filter first to make a final decision and answer Kmatts post, then get to Onegu. Give me some help here, I'm not mafia and I have no idea why there are at least 2 townies voting me Help me help you here. Explain a few things to me. How did Fidei end up at the top of your town list without being explained? Or did I miss it? Because that TR was so strong that you decided to vote Scott, who you said you'd never lynch D1, over Fidei because that TR was stronger. Also, how did you land on never lynch me over 1-2 posts since I replaced? Lol.
He was engaging the game in a fairly townie way and Onegu's reason to try to lynch him is horrendous and I'm fairly certain Onegu is scum, which makes Fidei probably town.
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