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I did forget.
I will be reading the thread in one hour from now, then I'll give inputs. Still, I think Scott isn't the lynch for today
Irish, I will be answering you soon.
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Onegu, do you think shapelog is town?
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This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it?
+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:36 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke  to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase" No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler +Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. Why am I likely town? Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote:
@Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're the quickest townread I have ever had!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.
Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts.
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On December 31 2015 02:21 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu, do you think shapelog is town? not that you asked me but.. shape doesn't seem very townie but I think I want to reasses his alignment d2.
Why not now?
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On December 31 2015 02:27 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote:This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it? + Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:36 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase" No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler +Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. Why am I likely town? Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote:
@Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're the quickest townread I have ever had!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.
Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so<script id="gpt-impl-0.05592410106054696" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script> being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. Not everyone pretends to have 100% locked in scumreads 1 day into the game. Maybe he doens't know if you are mafia and his wishy washy opinions reflect that.
It's not about a matter of pretending. If you see something suspicious, you usually pursue it. Calling something fishy but saying it could come from both alignments isn't what I expect from a townie.
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On December 31 2015 02:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 02:27 nooniansoong wrote:On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote:This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it? + Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:36 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase" No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler +Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. Why am I likely town? Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote:
@Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're the quickest townread I have ever had!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.
Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so<script id="gpt-impl-0.05592410106054696" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script> being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. Not everyone pretends to have 100% locked in scumreads 1 day into the game. Maybe he doens't know if you are mafia and his wishy washy opinions reflect that. It's not about a matter of pretending. If you see something suspicious, you usually pursue it. Calling something fishy but saying it could come from both alignments isn't what I expect from a townie.
+ one of his reasons to backtrack on me once was probabilities. This is something really bad to reason a backtrack from.
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On December 31 2015 02:32 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 02:30 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 02:27 nooniansoong wrote:On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote:This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it? + Show Spoiler +On December 29 2015 09:13 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 08:36 Irishbound wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Ah, that makes sense. Is there any one else here that is likely to referred to as a different name? And I'm guessing your vote on Noon is a jokeish vote in that case? Do you have any scum-reads at the moment? There's several peoples openings that I haven't particularly liked (Mderg, Scott & Giyga) but aren't confident if my issue with them is playstyle or alignment based yet. Nop. Just kush. Yeah, it's a joke to be fair we are kinda very "jokish" here in TL Mafia in the beginning of the games. We even call it "joke phase" No, I don't, these opens are basically not alignment indicatice (NAI) What exactly you didn't like about their openings? If this is jokephase I got one: What do you call a Zerg player that researched Chitinous Plating? + Show Spoiler +Promoted to diamond league It's funny because it happened to me and I felt validated but now I hear that ultras are OP and doubt myself. On second thought let's not tell jokes. As for openings, I only thought yours was fishy, but it's day one and you probably end up being more valuable alive since you're still likely town. Why am I likely town? Well just by probability there's a better chance of town than mafia. No real information to work off of yet. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:02 Irishbound wrote:
@Kmatt, what did you find fishy about Glowings opening? He seems to be working more on making a positive image of himself compared to everyone else. Made a lot of early posts like. Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol did I? Anyway, you're now my buddy!!! Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:
You're the quickest townread I have ever had!
Hi! Welcome to the forums!
Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong.
Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax He just seems to be trying to be overly friendly and helpful compared to everyone else who seems to be content to wait for more information. Then again this is Newbie Student Mafia so<script id="gpt-impl-0.05592410106054696" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script> being more friendly and helpful is to be expected (I think). No one else's first posts had much substance aside from how you were reading into it, but GB seems to be trying at getting his name out there in a positive light. I don't think that's nearly enough to convict someone, just trying to practice reading into posts. Not everyone pretends to have 100% locked in scumreads 1 day into the game. Maybe he doens't know if you are mafia and his wishy washy opinions reflect that. It's not about a matter of pretending. If you see something suspicious, you usually pursue it. Calling something fishy but saying it could come from both alignments isn't what I expect from a townie. Define persue. It could mean pressuring someone like "YOU ARE 100% SCUM" and seeing how they respond. It could also mean saying "hmm they might be scum" and sitting back to watch them. Two different townie playstyles.
What I expect from a townie:
"I think you are suspicious because of X. Mafia motivation behind X is Y"
What I don't expect from a townie:
"I think you are suspicious because of X. But you're most likely town because RNG"
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On December 29 2015 10:11 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 10:00 NocturneMage wrote:
KMatt from post 197 you are suggesting that probability is a reason that GB is more likely town, yet the reality here is 3/11 chance (I know I'm town and you would on yourself from the perspective that you are town) there is mafia and in this case, that you might suggest there is potential mafia behaviour (buddying in this case) for GB.
From the perspective of an experienced player, and/or based on his repetition you suggested, do you see that possibly coming from town or mafia? Do you see any other interactions from GB that would point you towards either direction.
Furthermore, do you have any other observations on the other players that have made reads/interactions in thread?
I didn't really mean anything by saying that he was "probably town", just purely the 3/11 (27%) vs 8/11 (73%) chance factor. I actually didn't think about the buddying factor though, since none of the people he was "buddying" came off as suspicious to me. I wouldn't go as far as to say that GB is showing mafia behavior, just that he stood out to me. If I had to guess right now, his posts would make more sense for a mafia to do. However, that seems like it would be an obvious (mafia) rookie mistake (considering a scrub "caught" him on it), which I wouldn't expect of him. I'm still neutral on it for now. Kind of the same with Irish. He's certainly putting more ideas out there than a lot of other posters, but nothing that would really swing me either way.
Like, kush, this is bullshit. There are only two alignments in the game. If something stoods out it is because it is townie or scummy.
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On December 31 2015 02:41 nooniansoong wrote:
GB you are oversimplifying how townies think.
Sometimes town are wishy washy because they don't know what something means.
wishy washy - could be town honesty about not knowing what something means or it could be scum keeping their options open.
Kush, if you see something as scummy, you say the guy is probably town because there is a 8/11 chance of the guy being town? If we think like that we won't lynch anyone.
Then after some point he says that my post stood out but it doesn't mean I'm from any alignment? Kush, again, if something stands out, it stands out for either alignment. Standing out = alignment indicative posts. Doesn't stand out = NAI.
You can add to that that he was just commenting on this and posting about starcraft in the thread. He is not committed into scumhunting. You do understand what I'm saying, right?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 30 2015 09:19 Kmatt wrote:Reading over Giygas through his filter is making me like him less and less. Only post with any content was: Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 10:41 GiygaS wrote:
The joke was forced in that I wanted to post to say "I'm here" basically, but didn't really have much to say.
As for what I think about Irish, slight town lean. Only real suspicion is on GB atm for his very matter of fact town read (I agree with it to some extent but he was very confident in it so early which I thought was weird) and that weird first post. Which doesn't really tell us anything. He kind of agrees with an unfounded town read but is still skeptical of it and doesn't have any conclusion other than that GB might be scum, but no logic train or evidence of any kind. I wouldn't mind that so much if it weren't 21 hours ago. The vote comes up tomorrow and he's completely off the radar.
Ok, kush, I may have been oversimplifying it.
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And now I think mderg is mafia, kush.
Mderg and Onegu.
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On December 30 2015 12:07 TheCow wrote:This post is being written as of post 415.@KmattBefore we proceed, I'd like to ask you three quick questions just to get a better understanding of you as a player. 1) How much experience do you have with the game Mafia? 2) How do you feel about this game in its current state? 3) In one sentence, describe yourself as a person. (not a question, but close enough ._.) @IrishShow nested quote +On December 30 2015 11:25 Irishbound wrote:
@TheCow - I'll need you to explain a few things for me; 1) Given that you're aware your secondary scum read has two votes on them and your initial one has none why didn't you vote Scott and ensure that a scum read of yours has a higher chance of getting lynched? 2) Can you explain your conflicted reads on myself and GB in some detail for me and 3) What makes you not trust your ability to read Fidelis and Onegu?
1) I did not and do not want to narrow my own and the threads field of vision by simply bandwagoning the leading wagon. Aside from that, Scott's activity level would waste the pressure of a vote -- much unlike Kmatt who is here now. 2) You, Irish, I had as topscum for a little while when I was catching up. Between that time and me catching up, you managed to redeem yourself in my eyes and became a void read. GB, I am conflicted because though they have been somewhat anti-town, they have not been overtly scummy -- or enough for a vote, at least. 3) Onegu looks like a player who is mislynch bait and without meta-experience, I do not feel comfortable making a definitive read without more evidence. For Fidelis, here is a quote from my notes: + Show Spoiler +[Fidea] seems to be the type of player I will scumread into oblivion regardless of their actual alignment. I have always had issues reading players like Fidea -- just their style and attitude doesn't mesh well with me.
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On December 31 2015 03:08 nooniansoong wrote:but onegu Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 01:13 Onegu wrote:
Kush is odd. Like he doesnt qualify for the onegu rule because he didnt call me scum.
Onegu rule is I troll and post little day one and if you call me scum for it you are scum looking for a mislynch. But since kush says it is complete policy he is fine.
What I do find kinda odd is kush is a very similar player to me. And last game when he was scum and people wanted to lynch him day one I was the one who said give him time. Yet this game he wants to lynch me? Why didnt he want to lynch me in the last game we just played. Doesnt make much since to me that he wants to do it this game but not last game. it would have been so easy for him to scumread me there are he didnt.
He usually does this to get towncred. My very first game with him he did it as scum. He defended me when I was getting scumread.
I actually have a good reason to call Onegu scum
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On December 30 2015 12:32 TheCow wrote:This post is being written as of 425.=== Regarding my early-game read on Irish.Irish's comment of scott "bandwagoning" noonian felt like an overreaction and the usage of the buzzword (##aside <I realize the irony of using this word>) left a bad taste in my mouth. The entirety of 185 looked like shade, with that bit on 168 also sticking out. This worry was partially extinguished by giaga lamping 172. Distancing occurred between Kmatt and Irish in the early game with Irish putting (from a SvS PoV) unnecessary pressure onto Kmatt. This caused minor polarizations in my reads. At this moment, Irish was gut-scum. #236 furthered this read. The developments in my Kmatt and Scott reads contributed to me reevaluating my Irish read. Upon reevaluating the earlier posts in the context of the later posts, things started to line up in a more town-ish way especially with the recent #395. So ultimately it was a null read. Would you like me to go into more specific detail and do post analysis, or does an overview suffice?
Awwwwww!
This guy is so cute
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On December 31 2015 03:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 03:08 nooniansoong wrote:but onegu On December 31 2015 01:13 Onegu wrote:
Kush is odd. Like he doesnt qualify for the onegu rule because he didnt call me scum.
Onegu rule is I troll and post little day one and if you call me scum for it you are scum looking for a mislynch. But since kush says it is complete policy he is fine.
What I do find kinda odd is kush is a very similar player to me. And last game when he was scum and people wanted to lynch him day one I was the one who said give him time. Yet this game he wants to lynch me? Why didnt he want to lynch me in the last game we just played. Doesnt make much since to me that he wants to do it this game but not last game. it would have been so easy for him to scumread me there are he didnt. He usually does this to get towncred. My very first game with him he did it as scum. He defended me when I was getting scumread. I actually have a good reason to call Onegu scum Your reason is?
THERE! I've got your attention
How do you read mderg, shapelog and scott?
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On December 30 2015 23:30 Kmatt wrote:
Pretty much the same sentiment as above for me. I leave for work in 30 mins and don't get out until 5pm Burger-time (vote o'clock).
However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me.
More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him.
##unvote GiygaS
##vote GlowingBear
This is bad, I was just townreading you :/
You think Gyigas is mafia. So you vote him. Then you see a lynch on scott going on and you wouldn't get enough information from his flip. So you vote ME instead of trying to push a lynch on your target?
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Cool I've finished catching up.
town
Fidei
NocturneMage
Irishbound
(the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment)
Kush
(I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho)
Shapelog
(my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him)
Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town)
TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE
Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum
mafia
mderg
(no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment)
Onegu
(Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler]On December 29 2015 07:06 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:05 scott31337 wrote:On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I wanted to be blue so much it's so anti-town to claim vt I agree with the stone man here. Haven't you learned yet Bear? He might need another mislynch......  [/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight)
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On December 31 2015 03:26 nooniansoong wrote:
GB were you lying about hacing a reason on onegu scumread?
Sorry, I was writing the list post. It is there.
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Oh I forgot about Gyigas... that's bad...
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