EPTOn January 04 2016 09:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't remember a lot of things sorry
Was the reason he wouldn't vote vonthin based on someone he scumread voting vonthin?
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On January 04 2016 09:06 The Shining wrote:
Except when it does? You have to remember the game that I helped win in triple lylo. Me, you, GB, Vonthin. GB looked soooooo bad the last few day phases, even hard towning and refusing to lynch the 2 scum we lynched. It took a massive case from me on Vonthin to get you 2 to vote Vonthin.
I'm not saying its worth TRing him for but its something to keep in mind before scumreading him. And I'm sad you don't remember that =/
On January 04 2016 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
GB doesn't apply to the 'too scummy to be scum' metric and I feel like you should know that. GB uses a lot of associative reads, was there anyone GB scumread on the scott wagon when he switched over?
On January 04 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:
Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read?
I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote...
On January 04 2016 08:19 Kmatt wrote:
Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull.
I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here:
(For context, he was voting on me day1)
Now what in the hell was this.
GB Believes me to be scum
GB Asserts that Scott is town
GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me)
GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on.
Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that.
And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town.
Okay so all things considered that last 10 minutes were pure bull.
On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:
I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you.
Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon.
Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2?
I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live.
I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight.
2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot.
3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before".
I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns?
On January 04 2016 07:15 Kmatt wrote:
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK.
Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK.
I didn't directly answer your question before but I didn't forget about you.
On January 03 2016 11:18 Kmatt wrote:
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement.
Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement.
Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon.
Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2?
I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live.
I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight.
2) I won't go too much into this, since I don't know the setup. If we have a doctor, he could've been a medic dodge. If we don't, it could've been for his strong presence in thread and being TR by many. It couldve been for his reads. It could've been the possibility of him revisiting his wrong reads. There are too many possibilities and since I don't know the setup, and neither does scum according to the OP, its really hard to figure out the motive behind that shot.
3) honestly, I skimmed it and it was a bit hard to follow. A bit too much narrative for my taste, instead of concrete reasoning for why GBs actions and posts made him scum. And I really thought I was onto something with the lack of friction RE: the GB lynch so I let that take over my actions. I can go revisit it if you'd like but I don't remember seeing anything that was distinctly "damn he's right GB is scummy" instead of "well I've seen bad town GB do bad stuff before".
I will admit, though, that might just be bias from playing with a bad town GB before XD also, what exactly were you thinking about the voting patterns?
I'll admit I might have been having a bit of fun with my write-up. Still, there's one point I'd like to have explained by anyone at this point. I could tag most any of his quoted posts as being anti-town, but my biggest issue (which I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be overlooked) is right here:
On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that.
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that.
(For context, he was voting on me day1)
On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you
On December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead
Im voting with Onegu instead
Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you
Now what in the hell was this.
GB Believes me to be scum
GB Asserts that Scott is town
GB Declares that he would not lynch Scott over a stronger scumread (me)
GB Drops his vote on a scumread(me) to intentionally vote Scott who he believed to be town, not because he believed Scott was scum, but because Scott was going to vote Onegu, who GB claimed he had a stronger townread on.
Nevermind that Onegu had 0 votes to Scott's leading 4 at the time of the post. At least the other people on Scott's wagon claimed he was scum. GB doesn't even pretend to believe that.
And we all know how that ended. That entire logic train leading to the vote switch was entirely anti-town.
Well Shining has learned that he shouldn't lead lynch shenannies. This, plus the D1 lynch on a blue Kush lol. I'm saying this because I agree with this and feel I could've very well fucked up. I actually just mentioned this in one of my last posts. GBs vote looks rrally bad. But Scott was already in the lead for lynch so why would GB make himself look this bad by adding onto it and contradicting his own read?
I do need clarification on one thing, though. I thought he was saying his townread on FID was stronger than his TR on Scott. Not his TR on Onegu > Scott. GB confirm/deny? Regardless it's not good logic for voting someone you said you wouldn't vote...
GB doesn't apply to the 'too scummy to be scum' metric and I feel like you should know that. GB uses a lot of associative reads, was there anyone GB scumread on the scott wagon when he switched over?
Except when it does? You have to remember the game that I helped win in triple lylo. Me, you, GB, Vonthin. GB looked soooooo bad the last few day phases, even hard towning and refusing to lynch the 2 scum we lynched. It took a massive case from me on Vonthin to get you 2 to vote Vonthin.
I'm not saying its worth TRing him for but its something to keep in mind before scumreading him. And I'm sad you don't remember that =/
I don't remember a lot of things sorry
Was the reason he wouldn't vote vonthin based on someone he scumread voting vonthin?
Nah I was wrong. He thought Vonthin was scum that game. It was Vons partners Boxerfred and Eversince that he refused to vote and hard townread them. Can't remember why, though. But from what I know of GB, you're pretty right when it comes to voting with his scumreads.
