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On December 30 2015 10:03 TheCow wrote:
1) Kmatt appears to be sort of inconsistent with his stances in a way which -- in my eyes -- suggests he's playing in a opportunistic manner. First example: Posts 187 and 192.
Since this is my first Mafia game, yes, I am looking to other posts to see what I can contribute to the thread. I don't know what post 192 has to do with me (I'll assume it's a typo).
2) The appearance of minor [active lurking] in that I cannot see many definitive stances, contention points, or general conviction in his filter.
I elaborated on this earlier, and I still don't believe I have enough evidence to incriminate anyone. Even my GiygaS vote is based on posting activity rather than content. If some people who aren't ShapeLog or trying to get me killed would post I would have a much easier time with this.
3) Flimsy accusations where they exist (Kmatt->GB, Kmatt->Onegu).
Again, like with GiygaS, my only gripe against GB was his attitude rather than his arguments or contents (and for now I've dropped those suspicions). As for Onegu, I actually forgot he's in this game. Like I griped above, the posting activity is minimal while I'm online so I've got jack to work with. I never accused him of being scum, just that I wished he would post something of substance.
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On December 30 2015 11:15 NocturneMage wrote:From context in 362 I am going to make the assumption that KMatt (unlike Cow/Irishbound) is pretty inexperienced at forum mafia. Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 09:43 Kmatt wrote:On December 30 2015 09:40 Shapelog wrote:On December 29 2015 10:11 Kmatt wrote:On December 29 2015 10:00 NocturneMage wrote:
KMatt from post 197 you are suggesting that probability is a reason that GB is more likely town, yet the reality here is 3/11 chance (I know I'm town and you would on yourself from the perspective that you are town) there is mafia and in this case, that you might suggest there is potential mafia behaviour (buddying in this case) for GB.
From the perspective of an experienced player, and/or based on his repetition you suggested, do you see that possibly coming from town or mafia? Do you see any other interactions from GB that would point you towards either direction.
Furthermore, do you have any other observations on the other players that have made reads/interactions in thread?
I didn't really mean anything by saying that he was "probably town", just purely the 3/11 (27%) vs 8/11 (73%) chance factor. I actually didn't think about the buddying factor though, since none of the people he was "buddying" came off as suspicious to me. I wouldn't go as far as to say that GB is showing mafia behavior, just that he stood out to me. If I had to guess right now, his posts would make more sense for a mafia to do. However, that seems like it would be an obvious (mafia) rookie mistake (considering a scrub "caught" him on it), which I wouldn't expect of him. I'm still neutral on it for now.Kind of the same with Irish. He's certainly putting more ideas out there than a lot of other posters, but nothing that would really swing me either way. So u have list the chances of him being town, then null him, then put him up for vote? What has changed? I mean all that has happen is that he scum read u. did you reread and a earlier post seems scummy now or what? I can understand ur GiygaS Khan vote thou. I don't think much has changed. To be honest, I did have a scumlean on GB, but I don't want to assert that since I wasn't confident enough in my own "evidence". Looking back over it I think I'm comfortable dropping my scumlean on GB. With that said: ##vote GiygaS Can you also walk me through what in your head made you drop that scumlean on GB? That's about the only thing not clear in the filter. I can see the evidence threshold being reasonable of an argument for a newbie who doesn't know what he's doing to make. I can see this quote: Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 09:49 Kmatt wrote:On December 30 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote:On December 30 2015 09:32 Shapelog wrote:On December 30 2015 09:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Kmatt's filter has been wishy washy, that's why I voted him. I could quoting and explaining my rwas but I'm actually too lazy right now to put effort
I'm also playing another game which from times to times keeps me from giving my full attention to this one So basically a non commitment issue. Yeah that's true. At least ik what ur prob. is now. Can u still explain y if i had a read on him matter? I usually delay explanation and post just votes and questions just to have people talking. If I answered you right at that moment I would destroy this premise. So I was just trying to have people talking about it for a longer time. While that seems like an effective tactic, I really can't like using it as town since that fits "make posts that stir up trouble without actually contributing to the thread" to a T. Not five minutes after I toss my scumread... If you really do have an argument against me, let's get it out into the open. I don't think there's anything to lose by hiding information from all three of us in here right now. Being a reasonable amount of scepticism towards someone for someone who is inexperienced with forum mafia. This becomes more certain when you take that against GB's lack of (direct) followup per his filter.
I was never too invested in the scumlean to begin with, but I keep getting flak for not being decisive on my calls (even though half of this game has been on mute and no one else seems bothered by it). I was convinced that his arguments were genuine enough to be townie (at lease with as much weight as I thought him scum), but barring the people who aren't showing their faces, he still has the highest degree of uncertainty for me with his latest posts. I just don't feel comfortable making that call yet, so I'm gonna stick with GiygaS until I see/can make a better case.
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On December 30 2015 11:33 NocturneMage wrote:
KMatt, can you comment on the following:
Let's see
(1) Irishbound's case/explanation on the Noon/Scott association
Seems silly to me. He says "crackpot theories" are more town-indicative, but if anything I would assume that to be a scum tell. I want to agree with him since he's more experienced, but that sounds like the ideal scum post: make some wacky accusation and leave everyone else to argue it. Of course, that's also too obvious and I doubt an actual scum would post that, but then we get into "Wine on the Table" territory.
I'm not holding it in any weight.
(2) Fidei and his opening reads
Like Fidei said it's all meta-reads. If what he's saying is true I wouldn't argue against policy-lynching Onegu since he's detrimental to winning either way. I still think there are more important people to be watching though.
(3) Noon's posturing (for lack of better words) on GB
He seems to be asking GB to give him townread evidence. GBs made plenty of posts so far so I don't know what else Noon wants from him. I don't see how townreading GB would somehow also scumread me. Just because we're often arguing against each other doesn't mean one of us is scum, especially with the full player count.
(4) Scott and how he looks from your perspective
Did the same thing I've pointed out with a number of people. Starts by making a big post that says nothing (also claimed he was gonna read page 11 and come back) and then vanishes into thin air. At this point I can't even tell if that's scum behavior or people just being lazy about it.
(5) any other issues - EXCEPT Onegu who I feel is bordering the closest to a policy lynch - that you think are deserving of the thread attention? [/QUOTE]
Considering the point about GB having a hollow case against me while wanting the rest of the thread to "discuss" my guilty-ness seems scummy considering he didn't follow up with anything. I'm getting suspicious of GB again with these new developments.
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For the record I totally am not parroting NMs post about the association. You guys just type faster than me >.<
On December 30 2015 12:07 TheCow wrote:
This post is being written as of post 415.
@Kmatt
Before we proceed, I'd like to ask you three quick questions just to get a better understanding of you as a player.
1) How much experience do you have with the game Mafia?
2) How do you feel about this game in its current state?
3) In one sentence, describe yourself as a person. (not a question, but close enough ._.)
Odd, but here we go.
1) I know the rules/role structure from having played the SC2 mod (in that mod each day/night cycle is only a few minutes so there's no real discussion). There was a lot of variety in player powers so I know a fair bit of those interactions, but as for forum mafia and reading people this is my first game.
2) We seem to be converging on a number of potential lynch targets, but there are just too many people staying quiet for my liking. Some of these accusations seem legitimate, but with the deadline looming it doesn't look like we'll have a solid choice.
3) I'm rather calm and slow to anger, taking a patient approach to problem solving, sometimes at the cost of initiative.
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On December 30 2015 12:14 Irishbound wrote:@Kmatt - You've missed what I've meant with the Noon/Scott association entirely, NM's referring to this: Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 11:18 Irishbound wrote:b) I find the timing of his push on Onegu (When there was attention on Scott) as well as his shotty reasoning behind town reading Scott in this post to mean that he makes a lot of sense as scum with Scott.
Looking over his filter and thread timing, I definitely think it weird that he would make that call when he did. He didn't really say anything in his posts until he wanted to policylynch Onegu, then quickly "townreads" Scott without actually defending or addressing the claims against him (not that they were anything special but still), and then takes off. I feel like I have the same complaint against everyone here.
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Pretty much the same sentiment as above for me. I leave for work in 30 mins and don't get out until 5pm Burger-time (vote o'clock).
However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me.
More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him.
##unvote GiygaS
##vote GlowingBear
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And by "above" I mean mderg.
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On December 30 2015 23:35 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 23:30 Kmatt wrote:
Pretty much the same sentiment as above for me. I leave for work in 30 mins and don't get out until 5pm Burger-time (vote o'clock).
However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me.
More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him.
##unvote GiygaS
##vote GlowingBear ... Okay, I'll bite. My view is that lynching people for 'information' on D1 is basically the worst thing we can do. Without any flips -- and particularly without any scum flips -- associative reads are pretty much worthless. We should either lynch scum, or Onegu as a plynch. But since you're here I'll ask - what about the GB/kush interaction don't you like? I think it's extremely fishy that Kush says "I don't know how to play D1 I have no reads woe is me" and then immediately jumps onto GB's vote on you, but I don't really see how that reflects badly on GB?
The catalyst for me is this post, as mderg pointed out
On December 30 2015 18:43 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 09:04 nooniansoong wrote:
gb get in here and you better have something more to add that I missed!
That's a post that might as well come from a scum QT. So basically they only mention each other but don't actually have any kind of conversation. Considering that they've played quite a few games with each other that's definitely noteworthy and makes me believe that at least one of them is scum.
I thought it was off but I figured someone else had a better explanation. It's one thing for someone to call out another player with questions (Hey X what do you think of Y), but for Noon to call GB out of the blue and say "build my case for me" and then have both of them come up empty while the vote is on the table is too wrong for me.
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My time here is ogre for now. but just go back to page 18 (starting at 341) and re-read that page. Nothing about that conversation is natural.
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Sorry if I came off as unclear before, I didn't have any time Wednesday morning to explain myself. I'll be on a little bit to provide my full explanations.
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Alright this time for real. Let me address some of the concerns following my last-second vote switch
On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote:
This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it?
Prior to Wednesday morning I was still undecided. However that morning I re-read the filter again and saw some stuff I didn't like.
Firstly, the townread on Irish, while later found to be true, didn't have any real ground to it. Irish makes a townread on Kush that he himself says is weak (from a single day 1 post mind you).
On December 29 2015 08:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:14 mderg wrote:On December 29 2015 08:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 07:29 Irishbound wrote:
I can already tell my complete lack of meta or understanding of what happend in prior games you guys have played together is going to make it difficult to scumhunt and follow some conversations.
Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement.
I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here.
@Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting? You're the quickest townread I have ever had! Hi! Welcome to the forums! Kush is nooniasoong. This account he is using is actually a smurf. Every time I talk about kush, I am talking about nooniasoong. Don't worry with meta. I think most of us in this thread doesn't use it. But we may talk about past games. It won't take much part of the game, so you can relax How did you get a townread on him for that post? Pretty much sincere opening with him giving an opinion right away on what he likes. Sounds like someone who feels free to play the game without concern of how he looks.
So he thinks the single opening post was "sincere", even though Irish even doubted his own credibility. Looks to me like he just gave that out at the first person he could read just so he could have a townread for everyone to see. The he just fullquotes Irish's next post to say he agrees and nothing else.
On December 30 2015 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:47 Irishbound wrote:
@Kmatt - Thanks for your elaboration on your Glowing scum lean, I don't agree with it at all but I can at least understand it now. I think being "helpful" in that manner is more playstyle based combined with the being a newbie game and don't think it's an issue, if anything the phrasing behind his town read on me "You're the quickest town read I've ever had" actually came across as genuine and am leaning town on him at the moment.
@Glowing - I don't make anything of NM's opening in #194 at all, is your "I like this opening" in an alignment indicative sense or just find it enjoyable? Kind of hard to tell from what you wrote.
@NM - I am well aware of the definition of "Anti-Town", what I liked was the speed of Noons reaction towards Glowings comment (The difference between it being posted and his response was 1 minute) which fits more with a natural townie reaction towards the comment being "That's going to hurt us" one and while I don't doubt that it's fake-able for mafia to do that I just find that mafia are more likely to think through the post or it's consequences more there. Again it's not a strong town read but out of everything that had occurred at the time it's only town read I had. I like it like it's coming from town. His tone feels like carefree too.
Then another townread on Shapelog for no explained reason.
On December 30 2015 03:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 11:40 Shapelog wrote:No you know what fuck it. I am going to just keep rereading the 2 pages and memorize it to the heart! Or pass out infront of the desktop. Which is why i am not laddering  This makes you probably town
And his explanation for that one is...
On December 30 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Because you could've just left and keep laddering. Instead, you've stayed here, wanting to play the game, anxious for more content to be posted. This kind of excited is something that usually comes from town and is rarely faked by Mafia
I'm gonna take a Nap and keep catching up
So someone's active in the thread on the first day. Groundbreaking analysis right here folks. Just like with Irish he declares the guy town out of the blue and follows up with "evidence" with made-up context.
Then comes the scumread on me. Oh, now he's digging deep, ready to contribute to the most important discussion in the thread at the moment. Let's see what thread contributions he has with his declared lynch target.
On December 30 2015 07:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok fully caught up
I'm voting Kmatt because reasons
##Vote: Kmatt
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Well just like with his other reads he pulls that from seemingly nowhere. At least everyone can see he's a real scumhunter, throwing out the dangerous vote! Stay tuned for the full scoop.
On December 30 2015 07:47 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 07:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok fully caught up
I'm voting Kmatt because reasons
##Vote: Kmatt and people have red bumps on their genitalia for "reasons" Can u explain GB?
Drumroll please...
On December 30 2015 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:I think he is scummy 
So still nothing. Note that now he's actually getting other people in the thread involved in this "discussion" about nothing.
On December 30 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 07:55 Shapelog wrote:
Don't pull a onegu on me. Why do you think hes scummy. Before I answer: do you have any reads on him?
Shapelog literally handed you the soapbox to voice your actual case that you actually have for everyone to hear and examine. Instead you turn the question back for him. Why would you need someone else to discuss this read? You already have one (or so we're told)!
On December 30 2015 09:22 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Kmatt's filter has been wishy washy, that's why I voted him. I could quoting and explaining my rwas but I'm actually too lazy right now to put effort
I'm also playing another game which from times to times keeps me from giving my full attention to this one
So how many posts is he going to use before he starts contributing to the thread. He posted reads, asked questions with no real follow-up or conclusions, and now wants other people to discuss a case he himself refuses to acknowledge. Imagine if every post I quoted so far was never posted. How much information would we have missed? How much further from winning would we be? Oh right nowhere because he's not actually contributing anything.
Surely he's not just making these posts to clog the thread and bait responses, right? That's so obviously scum behavior, so clearly
On December 30 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote:
I usually delay explanation and post just votes and questions just to have people talking. If I answered you right at that moment I would destroy this premise. So I was just trying to have people talking about it for a longer time.
No, that's actually exactly what he's doing. K.
Moving on
On December 30 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 10:42 NocturneMage wrote:
GB, two that I recall. In Newbie 14, Scott was engaged with the thread, and very active and made strides to solve that game. You were mafia in that game, Fidei threw in 2:1 lylo. In my last newbie, he was town but not as engaged and scum Trfel pushed him to death day 1. I'm loathe to use meta so I would rather opt to flesh him out as much as I can in this current game. His scum games, he is not quite as active or does very little, but as I've never actually been in a game with him as scum, I'd rather just flesh him out. If you check most of his games, he is mainly inactive. Don't you think it is kinda early to consider him mafia?
When did making early reads become a problem? For some reason you're suddenly hesitant to call Scott Mafia, even though NM never actually accused him of scum, just wanted to pressure him. But we'll come back to that.
On December 30 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 12:33 NocturneMage wrote:
I need to head to bed, but with where my head is, I think the lynch list needs to be somewhere in this:
Noon/GB/Scott
Further fleshing out: Scott/Fidei/GigyaS
Last resort/policy lynch: Onegu
For GigyaS there was one post that I felt was unlikely to come from scum, but considering where he's not been in thread for >24h now, getting a mindset read with all that has happened is I think pretty important with a few of the concerns brought up. The fact that I believe kush is likely to be town and that scott is impossible to know right now makes me want to lynch you very hard. Anyway I know I'm lacking contribution. I'll step up tomorrow.
Alright so now you're threatening a lynch based on the fact that you have opposing reads. And by "reads", I mean you called Kush 'town'. Note that posts like this still aren't developing any claims, just showing off that he's totally scumhunting for real guys. At least he's become self-aware, that's good, right?
On December 31 2015 00:30 GlowingBear wrote:
I did forget.
I will be reading the thread in one hour from now, then I'll give inputs. Still, I think Scott isn't the lynch for today
Irish, I will be answering you soon.
So still no info other than that Scott isn't a lynch target. He just claimed that he was null (and therefore possibly scum) but now Scott is off the board. Of course there's no actual analysis or anything, just look at the shiny claim.
On December 31 2015 02:24 GlowingBear wrote:
This is what I don't like on Kmatt. He says I'm fishy but keeps backtracking on it. It just feels like he is trying to give an opinion while not really relying on it. Am I fishy or not? What does fishy means? Mafia? If so, why not just saying I'm scummy and going against it?
Alright almost 19 hours later he finally has a reason for his vote. I'm indecisive on my read towards him and therefore am scum. Now while I don't agree with his logic (if I were scum I wouldn't have to doubt my reasons for wanting him dead, since I'd know he's a kill target anyway I don't even need a valid "reason". Sound familiar?), at least he finally posts something marginally substantial. He then uses five more posts to explain the same point that indecisiveness=scum.
On December 31 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:
And now I think mderg is mafia, kush.
Mderg and Onegu.
Oh look two more scumreads! Again, no content, no explanation, just "hey these guys are scum". He's practically got this entire game figured out by now. At least he shares that much insight with us.
Then TheCow decides to play and starts asking questions to garner information to analyze and develop a case. What does our hero do?
+ Show Spoiler +On December 31 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 12:07 TheCow wrote:This post is being written as of post 415.@KmattBefore we proceed, I'd like to ask you three quick questions just to get a better understanding of you as a player. 1) How much experience do you have with the game Mafia? 2) How do you feel about this game in its current state? 3) In one sentence, describe yourself as a person. (not a question, but close enough ._.) @IrishOn December 30 2015 11:25 Irishbound wrote:
@TheCow - I'll need you to explain a few things for me; 1) Given that you're aware your secondary scum read has two votes on them and your initial one has none why didn't you vote Scott and ensure that a scum read of yours has a higher chance of getting lynched? 2) Can you explain your conflicted reads on myself and GB in some detail for me and 3) What makes you not trust your ability to read Fidelis and Onegu?
1) I did not and do not want to narrow my own and the threads field of vision by simply bandwagoning the leading wagon. Aside from that, Scott's activity level would waste the pressure of a vote -- much unlike Kmatt who is here now. 2) You, Irish, I had as topscum for a little while when I was catching up. Between that time and me catching up, you managed to redeem yourself in my eyes and became a void read. GB, I am conflicted because though they have been somewhat anti-town, they have not been overtly scummy -- or enough for a vote, at least. 3) Onegu looks like a player who is mislynch bait and without meta-experience, I do not feel comfortable making a definitive read without more evidence. For Fidelis, here is a quote from my notes: + Show Spoiler +[Fidea] seems to be the type of player I will scumread into oblivion regardless of their actual alignment. I have always had issues reading players like Fidea -- just their style and attitude doesn't mesh well with me. ![[image loading]](http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/y5eclcqadgln59a1hwcc.jpg)
Oh an image macro. Information and analysis are for nerds anyway.
Now we go back to the Onegu scumread. If you can even call it that.
On December 31 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:08 nooniansoong wrote:but onegu On December 31 2015 01:13 Onegu wrote:
Kush is odd. Like he doesnt qualify for the onegu rule because he didnt call me scum.
Onegu rule is I troll and post little day one and if you call me scum for it you are scum looking for a mislynch. But since kush says it is complete policy he is fine.
What I do find kinda odd is kush is a very similar player to me. And last game when he was scum and people wanted to lynch him day one I was the one who said give him time. Yet this game he wants to lynch me? Why didnt he want to lynch me in the last game we just played. Doesnt make much since to me that he wants to do it this game but not last game. it would have been so easy for him to scumread me there are he didnt. He usually does this to get towncred. My very first game with him he did it as scum. He defended me when I was getting scumread. I actually have a good reason to call Onegu scum
So he's meta-gaming from that one time Onegu made a similar post while being Mafia. Leak-proof case right here.
Now TheCow comes back to share his ideas with the thread. How will GB contribute to finding answers?
On December 31 2015 03:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 12:32 TheCow wrote:This post is being written as of 425.=== Regarding my early-game read on Irish.Irish's comment of scott "bandwagoning" noonian felt like an overreaction and the usage of the buzzword (##aside <I realize the irony of using this word>) left a bad taste in my mouth. The entirety of 185 looked like shade, with that bit on 168 also sticking out. This worry was partially extinguished by giaga lamping 172. Distancing occurred between Kmatt and Irish in the early game with Irish putting (from a SvS PoV) unnecessary pressure onto Kmatt. This caused minor polarizations in my reads. At this moment, Irish was gut-scum. #236 furthered this read. The developments in my Kmatt and Scott reads contributed to me reevaluating my Irish read. Upon reevaluating the earlier posts in the context of the later posts, things started to line up in a more town-ish way especially with the recent #395. So ultimately it was a null read. Would you like me to go into more specific detail and do post analysis, or does an overview suffice? Awwwwww! This guy is so cute
What compels you to hit "Post"? What could we possibly gain from this? At least Shapelog's spam was kind of funny, this is just stupid. Again, TheCow is trying to figure out the game, you try to be an epic trole.
On December 31 2015 03:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2015 03:08 nooniansoong wrote:but onegu On December 31 2015 01:13 Onegu wrote:
Kush is odd. Like he doesnt qualify for the onegu rule because he didnt call me scum.
Onegu rule is I troll and post little day one and if you call me scum for it you are scum looking for a mislynch. But since kush says it is complete policy he is fine.
What I do find kinda odd is kush is a very similar player to me. And last game when he was scum and people wanted to lynch him day one I was the one who said give him time. Yet this game he wants to lynch me? Why didnt he want to lynch me in the last game we just played. Doesnt make much since to me that he wants to do it this game but not last game. it would have been so easy for him to scumread me there are he didnt. He usually does this to get towncred. My very first game with him he did it as scum. He defended me when I was getting scumread. I actually have a good reason to call Onegu scum Your reason is?
Alright time for a shot at redemption. Let's see GB post his case to help further figure out the game. All he has to do is not deflect, ignore, or shitpost...
On December 31 2015 03:15 GlowingBear wrote:THERE! I've got your attention How do you read mderg, shapelog and scott?
God damn it.
On December 31 2015 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 23:30 Kmatt wrote:
Pretty much the same sentiment as above for me. I leave for work in 30 mins and don't get out until 5pm Burger-time (vote o'clock).
However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me.
More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him.
##unvote GiygaS
##vote GlowingBear This is bad, I was just townreading you :/
U wot m8. When the hell did I become town again? I know you have no standards but come on.
As for myself I'm going to explain the point raised against me.
My read onto GiygaS was kind of BS. I was getting flak (mostly from GB) for being indecisive and not presenting solid reads. I understand that doesn't help the game so I had to take a shot at something. I didn't have any solid scumreads (was reconsidering GB at the time of the GiygaS vote), so I decided to turn my attention to my least favorite AFK player. No I couldn't defend my scumread on GiygaS but I was being pressured to make a call so I made one. As for why I switched to GB, see above. If I didn't mention it already, I had work that day and wouldn't be back in time before the 5:00pm window closed, so I wouldn't get to make this wall of text. Without presenting my reasoning I didn't have a reason to expect anyone else to follow me, but I'd rather make my vote count towards something more important than my forced GiygaS read.
Now comes GB's wall of text. Have a look at this gem
On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town)
Once again Scott is a no-lynch for now a poorly-founded meta reason. Any grievances people had against him written off as Scott doing it as town in other games. The good part comes up next.
On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum.
Who was it that raised a fuss because I was being "wishy-washy"? Suddenly in spite of all my heinous crimes (worthy of an insta-vote, mind you), suddenly Kush convinced him that my behavior actually makes me town (when did this even happen?) but now I'm almost scum again. Maybe I'd understand this train of thought better if he posted something of substance every now and again. But then again, that would take away time from posting silly dog pictures.
On December 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:15 disformation wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 scott31337 (3): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg GiygaS (2): Kmatt, scott31337, Fidei86 Onegu (1): nooniansoong Kmatt (1): TheCow nooniansoong (1): Shapelog GlowingBear (1): Kmatt Fidei86 (1): Onegu Not Voting (2): GiygaS, GlowingBear At this time, scott31337 is slated to be lynched.Day 1 ends in on Wednesday, Dec 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted. Actualy ROFL the thinks scott is a bad lynch when his main scumread IS THE SECOND WAGON but instead of arguing people should vote Gyigas with him he UNVOTES HIS MAIN SCUMREAD to VOTE ME while saying multiple times I could be town.
Now he's back on me again because my vote on him was unfounded and that I wasn't hard committing to GiygaS.
On December 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm lynching Kmatt today and no one else.
Spoiler alert: He won't
Skipping over some posts where he argues about wanting to lynch me when no one else jumps on his wagon.
Now he defends Scott a third time. And by "defends", I mean he repeats his empty meta-case and swears to protect Scott.
On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 04:05 Irishbound wrote:On December 31 2015 03:56 GlowingBear wrote:I would never hard align myself with scott this way if I was Mafia with him. Literally never. But do as you please, as long as you read my scum reads and lynxh them after I flip Then if you're town stop being nonsensical, you've got absolutely no reason to town read Scott whatsoever, you acknowledge as much, you've got town reads on lots of other players thereby by process of elimination alone he's a decent chance of being mafia for you so you taking the stance "I've promised myself not to lynch him" doesn't add up. Again you're disregarding his actions as "null" for a meta reason that doesn't flow, what about his meta makes his really weak and incorrect reasoning for town reading Noon and myself null? What about his meta means that where he does focus doesn't look like scumhunting but rather quoting random sections? I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that.
So with tensions running high and the vote drawing near...
On December 31 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Scott, vote Kmatt with me.
On December 31 2015 06:21 GlowingBear wrote:
ROFL I decided to give Diablo III another shot since a lot of people said it got better after some revamp
Conclusion: I can't understand how someone can respect a game when a class' main attack is THROWING JARS WITH SPIDERS ON PEOPLE
Or SUMMONING BELLS FROM THE HEAVENS AND SMASHING THEM ROFL
And he's shitposting again.
And now for the killing blow towards any faith I had left in this guy
On December 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:Then I'm voting you Scott, sorry, but I have a stronger townread on him than you
You wot m8?
After so adamantly asserting that I'm scum and defending Scott's town status (based on some meta read) since day one, you completely flip the boat because you don't like how he's voting.
So why am I telling you all of this?
A townie has no reason to shitpost past the opening banter. GB repeatedly shitposts throughout the thread.
A townie has no reason to avoid posting his own cases when prompted. GB deflects questions towards his reads twice now.
A townie has no reason to derail someone else's analysis and arguments that could help solve the game. GB attempts to derail discussion and arguments multiple times while contributing nothing to said discussion.
A townie with no information about the other players would have no reason to vehemently defend Scott's innocence without a case and then completely throw him under the bus at the last second. You know the rest
And most of all
A townie wouldn't make reads about players with virtually nothing to back them up, but have no hesitation posting them for everyone to see. Every read should be in support or against a lynch vote. Almost none of GBs reads contribute towards that goal.
Unless of course GB had a reason to convince the thread that he's scumhunting without actually helping solve the game.
That reason being the GB is a mafia player. If I'm not being clear or commital enough here:
##vote GlowingBear
I'm off to bed. I'll respond with what I can in the morning.
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Also pardon the inconsistent pronouns and tense. It's a bad habit of mine when I write large quantities of text.
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Also this post is my updated case against him. I added in the stuff following my vote switch because seriously just read it.
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Don't know if anyone else just noticed but TheCow has been replaced by The Shining. I had my theories on Cow, but since his "character" has been replaced more or less I'd like our "new" friend to weigh in on some current events. Obviously he should read the thread when appropriate, but for when he's finished:
1) Seeing the previous days' discussion in the context current death toll, who or what do you think the biggest factor in Scott's mislynch was?
2) Similarly, why do you think the mafia went for Irish on the first night? (technically if we have both a doctor and vigilante in this game then that might not have been the case but for the sake of argument I'll assume Irish's death was the mafia's doing) Did any of his reads stand out to you or did any arguments he put out seem to be catching on with the thread?
3) Could you weigh in on my GB case? Obviously my opinion on the matter is plain to see, so I'd like to see some other people bounce ideas off of it. Do you think I over-reacted or overlooked anything in my wall of text?
Granted, anyone is invited to answer these, but since I didn't get to see much from Cow before he left, I'd like a bit more insight from his replacement.
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On January 02 2016 23:58 nooniansoong wrote:
Except town does do all those things he said town doesn't do. So I don't think it's a good case.
I'd like you to explain this bit in detail. I'm assuming "all those things he said town doesn't do" to be the following
On January 02 2016 15:09 Kmatt wrote:
A townie has no reason to shitpost past the opening banter. GB repeatedly shitposts throughout the thread.
A townie has no reason to avoid posting his own cases when prompted. GB deflects questions towards his reads twice now.
A townie has no reason to derail someone else's analysis and arguments that could help solve the game. GB attempts to derail discussion and arguments multiple times while contributing nothing to said discussion.
A townie with no information about the other players would have no reason to vehemently defend Scott's innocence without a case and then completely throw him under the bus at the last second. You know the rest
And most of all
A townie wouldn't make reads about players with virtually nothing to back them up, but have no hesitation posting them for everyone to see. Every read should be in support or against a lynch vote. Almost none of GBs reads contribute towards that goal.
Note that I never said it's things that town "doesn't do" but that they are things a townie has no reason to do.
Could you present the town motivation for calling TheCow's theories "cute" instead of an actual response?
Could you present the town motivation for deflecting a chance to explain his own platform in order to ask for reads? (and what about "now that I have you attention"? We're on a forum, everyone can "hear" him loud and clear)
Could you present the town motivation for placing a vote onto Scott not because he believed Scott to be scum but that Scott voted on one of his townreads. What is the town motivation to intentionally lynch another (supposed) townie?
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On January 04 2016 01:27 NocturneMage wrote:
KMatt, I have a question. Let's say GlowingBear gets modkilled for whatever strange reason today.
Whom would you vote for now?
I would probably start looking into Noon more before placing that vote. The Onegu train seems to be going strong but I haven't been sold on him, while I have been picking up on that connection between GB and Noon. Admittedly with my hunt for GB I haven't been scrutinizing other players more and I ought to go do some more reading on the rest of the thread.
On that note, where is Shape? His sudden disappearance following the first night kill is rather suspicious. I can understand being out for New Year's, but it's been two full days now. I think I'm gonna have to join you on that scumread you have for him.
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On January 04 2016 04:27 GiygaS wrote:Going over it again I really don't like how kmatt ignored GB's probably most substantial post despite going over pretty much every other one when most of his case relies on painting GB as someone who's just shitposting and questioning people. Post I'm referring to: + Show Spoiler +On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Cool I've finished catching up. townFidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment)Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho)Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him)Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafiamderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment)Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler]On December 29 2015 07:06 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:05 scott31337 wrote:On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I wanted to be blue so much it's so anti-town to claim vt I agree with the stone man here. Haven't you learned yet Bear? He might need another mislynch......  [/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight)
I was trying to wrap up that post so I only included the two entries on myself and Scott that had do with the point I was making. Nothing in that post did anything to convince me he was town anyway.
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On January 04 2016 05:02 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 04:13 disformation wrote:On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.
My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.
Where do i do this at? I have notified the main host of this game kitaman27. You've just confirmed shape as town :/ How in the world does notifying main host confirm shape as town.
My guess would be that they would have contacted him through the mafia private chat had it been available for him. Then again, we didn't see the public post for TheCow, so even if this somehow confirms ShapeLog, that would simultaneously condemn The Shining.
The most likely case is that Ms. Shapelog was only instructed to post in the thread. It would have also made sense to let us know about him going for the operation publicly as an explanation for his lack of activity.
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On January 04 2016 05:10 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 05:08 Kmatt wrote:On January 04 2016 05:02 GiygaS wrote:On January 04 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 04 2016 04:13 disformation wrote:On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.
My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.
Where do i do this at? I have notified the main host of this game kitaman27. You've just confirmed shape as town :/ How in the world does notifying main host confirm shape as town. My guess would be that they would have contacted him through the mafia private chat had it been available for him. Then again, we didn't see the public post for TheCow, so even if this somehow confirms ShapeLog, that would simultaneously condemn The Shining. The most likely case is that Ms. Shapelog was only instructed to post in the thread. It would have also made sense to let us know about him going for the operation publicly as an explanation for his lack of activity. The blue post was clearly made to alert Ms. Shape to him being made aware, does nothing to show that either player is or isn't scum.
That's what I meant, he probably didn't feel the need to inform her of mafia chat (if he was in it), and since she was in the thread it makes sense to post directly at her.
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Well. That was an interesting turn of events.
While I haven't given up my claim against GB (possibly even stronger now), Shining definitely got me thinking about the voting patterns. I had my suspicions about Shapelog but was hoping for the GB reveal to give me the info I needed.
I'm leaving for a while, and will probably spend most of the night phase working this out. And that's to say nothing of a potential NK.
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