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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 15 2015 21:08 GMT
#643
once again I'm around for like 20 minutes before I leave for work.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 15 2015 21:18 GMT
#646
On December 16 2015 06:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I think the hydra is a better lynch than Rels.

Rayn I would love to play one of these games where the mafia team tries a bit harder. It kinda sucks that the game is solved already.

Anyway

##vote: RtaniSoul


lol


Thanks for your input.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 15 2015 21:22 GMT
#647
On December 16 2015 06:18 RtaniSoul wrote:
If you want to win the game today instead of in 72 hours you should probably lynch Rels instead

I don't think rels is more likely to be scum than you are. I actually quite strongly believe the opposite.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 08:08 GMT
#653
On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
Why Rels is scum:

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:
##Vote marv
Do stuff or die.

Otherwise here is my mind atm:

rayn
Damdred
grey

Arta/rsoul
marv

DP


I told lex when I first saw this post that if marv is scum, Rels had a good chance of being his partner for this. It's completely lining up the switch from marv to DP the moment marv posts. There's nothing here to suggest he'd even think twice about it or that it's a real scumread. Also, note that this post came well before marv had been absent long enough from the thread to start getting a mountain of votes.

Point 2: marv votes DP and not Rels. Even if we assume that he really did AFK as scum while being lynched after returning to the thread last minute to try to squirm out of a lynch, he was still in the thread when rayn voted Rels at the very least. He did not vote to survive, and we know that this was not because he was town. That makes it very likely that Rels is scum!

Point 3: Rels doesn't actually believe what he's saying when he says our "reasons" are bad for our reads. Specifically, Rels stated in the scum QT of Drams that it made sense that rayn sided (incorrectly) with his fake claim because he was being logical while I sided (entirely correctly) with the real RBer for...his townie tone. Not only did he recognize that rsoultin bases her reads on tone, but he used some of her reads in his towngame that just ended. This is made up to attempt to throw scum on us and he doesn't really believe it.

Point 4: Rels is try-harding. Town, unless they believe there is scum in rayn/dp, doesn't need to try-hard. We've won! Bad townies will look at Rels and go damn, he's trying so hard, he must be town. But they're missing the obvious. Only scum needs to try here. Joke's on him, though No amount of try-harding will keep him from being lynched Day 3.

When we flip town, reread this amazing case without prejudice, and vote Rels for ultimate justice. And yes...we rock. We don't need to try-hard to win

Ciao

I actually like this post

##unvote

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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 08:08 GMT
#654
On December 16 2015 12:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think we need a train.

What does this mean?
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 10:27 GMT
#658
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 10:50 GMT
#666
Rayn is smart enough to analyze the game again at LYLO. As am I (though I don't feel the need to as there is no way on earth rayn is scum)
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 13:33 GMT
#681
On December 16 2015 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia.
The reasoning for this is the following;
I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own.

The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases;
- On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn"
- On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum
- Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!?

I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it.

##vote DarthPunk


This is fine with me. Just figure out the game once I die lover <3

##vote:Darthpunk

Just checking in before bed and too tired/busy to fight this.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 13:36 GMT
#683
I honestly believe you are equating time invested with like mafia not pushing agendas.

I haven't invested much time so I agree it might look bad.

I think you should lynch the hydra after I die though. Rels looks far too invested to be not town and the hydra only started caring when they were getting lynched.

Like, they trolled and then pretended to matyr but didn;t really matyr.

Anyway it's past midnight bed for reals. GGLGLGGL rayn.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 13:39 GMT
#685
On December 16 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia.
But at the same time everyone else -- after PoE'ing comes to conclusion "this means this guy has to be mafia", when DP just leaves it at one step behind into "these guys are not mafia".


This is also self evident and I assume you can all count :D
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:20 GMT
#698
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

game stuff ends here

I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach like I really want to fight my lynch the way I would have in the past but real life takes too much time to play mafia properly and there is no way I can work a 12 hour day on less than 6 hours sleep.

During this game I was able to spend at the most 3 hours per day to read and post in the thread and the way I have always played has been in a very interactive way that requires lots of time and attention and spam

Basically the reason I am saying all this because this will be my last game of mafia for the foreseeable future. (No Rayn you will not again convince me to play after I refuse citing time constraints so you can lynch me due to not doing enough.)

It is not fair on my past self and all the effort I used to put into this game I loved.

I can't play to my own standards and it is incredibly frustrating to be in that situation where instead of a mafia god I am a fucking grandfather who should have already retired.

I am grateful though that I got to play in this last game with two of my favourite players ever (marv/Rayn)
And someone new who vividly reminds me of how I once played the game.

So thanks for that.

Also, as it's my own fucking eulogy:

Rso you are legit terrible at the game.

Artanis fuck you for not trying in vengeful you prick.

Rayn thanks for the memories but I still lynched the shit out of you in hydra.

Marv you are a god except your ego is a force of fucking nature.

Fuck you holy flare.

I think that's everything .

I'm turning off my phone so I can salvage some sleep.

It was a wild ride while it lasted. Peace!
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:40 GMT
#712
On December 16 2015 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are fucking better than "i need more than 3 hours a day"....

My 3 hours are when nobody is in the thread. Like I would have to stay up all night to be able to play the kind of interactive style that I carry with.

I feel reall shitty that you have to carry me to the win at Lylo. But plz do. I want those tasty database stats.

Anyway I was gonna say more but my phone deleted it and I'm gonna be a wreck at work already.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:42 GMT
#713
On December 16 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels

I am sorry if you are town but i just can't find any other answer right now.

I think this is the wrong answer and the hydra is. I also don't want to be lynched at Lylo over fucking Rso. So probs lynch me first if your not lynching hydra.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:48 GMT
#718
Rayn why would rels fight so hard against my lynch if he was scum? Dude is town. He cares too much to not be.

Also hydras should look Way Way Wayyy better than Rso+artanis do. Remember the hydra game and how town rolled scum in 2 days?

This hydra not doing enough with such an obviously pro town mechanic.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:50 GMT
#720
Like. If you and I were hydra'd at the same fucking place and time we would solve the game on night 1 and I'm not kidding. We would get shot like instantly. What the fuck has this hydra done?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:51 GMT
#722
Anyway I'm sure rels is town. Bear that in mind at lylo please.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:58 GMT
#725
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.


Man it's gonna be fun watching you try and back out of this read at lylo. Rels remember this post please.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 15:05 GMT
#729
On December 17 2015 00:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.



"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 15:06 GMT
#730
Anyway I needed to be in bed four hours ago. Bye.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 17 2015 08:03 GMT
#826
Sorry I was afk at EoD I overslept because I stayed up so late and had a shitstorm at work so I only just got home.

Anyway I am very surprised that rels is scum and I think he played it really well.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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