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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:10 GMT
#901
Let's ask the host if we can play voice mafia tonight about who is scum?
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:26 GMT
#902
On December 18 2015 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I completely understand this from the town point of view. This makes no sense from mafia point of view.
It makes completely sense that DP is angry at himself here as he has had time constraints in comparison to each other. As his play revolves around interacting with people, i can understand it's really fucking annoying when someone calls you out for basically "not interacting" when it has been impossible for you. Now he COULd have played differently but...

...if DarthPunk is mafia here, my case is the exact reason he is mafia, and he knows it. That is the reason i don't see him making this post, especially the bolded part, as mafia. It doesn't make any sense to get genuinely mad when someone calls you scum for the reasons you are scum for. It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

- Furthermore his read evolvement on Greymist throughout the game is really townie
- His actions during D1, when marv was here are pure townie (i have talked about this before)

There is basically no way he is scum here.

My reaction when I read that post this morning: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU DESERVE TO LOSE
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:27 GMT
#903
On December 18 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey actually, i have a question to both of you.
Who would you have killed if you were mafia and why?

GM. Cause if I was scum you would not be voting me.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:28 GMT
#904
What? Why is shooting GM the best play for you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:29 GMT
#905
On December 18 2015 22:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I completely understand this from the town point of view. This makes no sense from mafia point of view.
It makes completely sense that DP is angry at himself here as he has had time constraints in comparison to each other. As his play revolves around interacting with people, i can understand it's really fucking annoying when someone calls you out for basically "not interacting" when it has been impossible for you. Now he COULd have played differently but...

...if DarthPunk is mafia here, my case is the exact reason he is mafia, and he knows it. That is the reason i don't see him making this post, especially the bolded part, as mafia. It doesn't make any sense to get genuinely mad when someone calls you scum for the reasons you are scum for. It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

- Furthermore his read evolvement on Greymist throughout the game is really townie
- His actions during D1, when marv was here are pure townie (i have talked about this before)

There is basically no way he is scum here.

My reaction when I read that post this morning: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU DESERVE TO LOSE

No Rels, if we lynch you it's you who deserves to lose if you are town. Not me.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:33 GMT
#906
I am actually confirmed town.

1 - I am obvious town to anyone that has played with me as both alignements. But I can fake my town play pretty well so it's normal people doubt.

2 - marv not voting me to survive means we are fucked if we are scum together.
If I get lynched D1, marv is super suspicious. Coupled with his difficulty to play scum, there is no way we win.
If DP gets lynched D1, marv and I are the obvious team and we have a hard time winning the game.
If marv gets lynched D1, I am super suspicious and I have a hard time winning the game.

Now:
On December 14 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Marv is town, the reason I say this is he hates giving town information if he is scum and going to roll over.

Two hours and thirty to go and he comes in and tries to fins scum? Maybe he gets lynched maybe not but I he basically Poe town and I don't think scum marv does that on his death bed+ tone.

##unvote

marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:33 GMT
#907
On December 18 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).

where do you base this on?
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:34 GMT
#908
On December 18 2015 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:26 Rels wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I completely understand this from the town point of view. This makes no sense from mafia point of view.
It makes completely sense that DP is angry at himself here as he has had time constraints in comparison to each other. As his play revolves around interacting with people, i can understand it's really fucking annoying when someone calls you out for basically "not interacting" when it has been impossible for you. Now he COULd have played differently but...

...if DarthPunk is mafia here, my case is the exact reason he is mafia, and he knows it. That is the reason i don't see him making this post, especially the bolded part, as mafia. It doesn't make any sense to get genuinely mad when someone calls you scum for the reasons you are scum for. It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

- Furthermore his read evolvement on Greymist throughout the game is really townie
- His actions during D1, when marv was here are pure townie (i have talked about this before)

There is basically no way he is scum here.

My reaction when I read that post this morning: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU DESERVE TO LOSE

No Rels, if we lynch you it's you who deserves to lose if you are town. Not me.

No. People are never confirmed town for emotional BS in my mind. If you really have discarded DP as a suspect because of this, you deserve to lose. Unless you're scum ofc, then you kinda deserve to win, even if you were helped by arsoul not doing shit.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:35 GMT
#909
On December 18 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).

where do you base this on?

Mm maybe I base this on the quote that is ON THE FUCKING POST JUST ABOVE THIS PARAGRAPH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:40 GMT
#910
On December 18 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Why is shooting GM the best play for you?

Cause he's doc and potentially (even if unlikely) didn't save you or Damdred N1. GM is safe kill. And, again, you would not be voting me if I was scum.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:41 GMT
#911
On December 18 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2015 22:26 Rels wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I completely understand this from the town point of view. This makes no sense from mafia point of view.
It makes completely sense that DP is angry at himself here as he has had time constraints in comparison to each other. As his play revolves around interacting with people, i can understand it's really fucking annoying when someone calls you out for basically "not interacting" when it has been impossible for you. Now he COULd have played differently but...

...if DarthPunk is mafia here, my case is the exact reason he is mafia, and he knows it. That is the reason i don't see him making this post, especially the bolded part, as mafia. It doesn't make any sense to get genuinely mad when someone calls you scum for the reasons you are scum for. It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

- Furthermore his read evolvement on Greymist throughout the game is really townie
- His actions during D1, when marv was here are pure townie (i have talked about this before)

There is basically no way he is scum here.

My reaction when I read that post this morning: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU DESERVE TO LOSE

No Rels, if we lynch you it's you who deserves to lose if you are town. Not me.

No. People are never confirmed town for emotional BS in my mind. If you really have discarded DP as a suspect because of this, you deserve to lose. Unless you're scum ofc, then you kinda deserve to win, even if you were helped by arsoul not doing shit.

Except i do not think anyone is confirmed town for emotional BS.
I legitmately think your actions in this game are more scummy than DP's.
So how about you start telling why you are not scum and why me/DP is scum instead of.. .emotional BS?
On December 18 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).

where do you base this on?

Mm maybe I base this on the quote that is ON THE FUCKING POST JUST ABOVE THIS PARAGRAPH

So because Damdred said so it must be true?
Damdred also said you are mafia at some point. Is that true too?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:42 GMT
#912
On December 18 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Why is shooting GM the best play for you?

Cause he's doc and potentially (even if unlikely) didn't save you or Damdred N1. GM is safe kill. And, again, you would not be voting me if I was scum.

Okay thanks, now i need DP's answer on this.

DP -- a follow up question to this too;
What is the best play for Rels in case he is scum?
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:47 GMT
#913
On December 18 2015 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:
On December 18 2015 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2015 22:26 Rels wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I completely understand this from the town point of view. This makes no sense from mafia point of view.
It makes completely sense that DP is angry at himself here as he has had time constraints in comparison to each other. As his play revolves around interacting with people, i can understand it's really fucking annoying when someone calls you out for basically "not interacting" when it has been impossible for you. Now he COULd have played differently but...

...if DarthPunk is mafia here, my case is the exact reason he is mafia, and he knows it. That is the reason i don't see him making this post, especially the bolded part, as mafia. It doesn't make any sense to get genuinely mad when someone calls you scum for the reasons you are scum for. It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

- Furthermore his read evolvement on Greymist throughout the game is really townie
- His actions during D1, when marv was here are pure townie (i have talked about this before)

There is basically no way he is scum here.

My reaction when I read that post this morning: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU DESERVE TO LOSE

No Rels, if we lynch you it's you who deserves to lose if you are town. Not me.

No. People are never confirmed town for emotional BS in my mind. If you really have discarded DP as a suspect because of this, you deserve to lose. Unless you're scum ofc, then you kinda deserve to win, even if you were helped by arsoul not doing shit.

Except i do not think anyone is confirmed town for emotional BS.
I legitmately think your actions in this game are more scummy than DP's.
So how about you start telling why you are not scum and why me/DP is scum instead of.. .emotional BS?

I do not need to do anything else. I just proved beyond reasonnable doubt I was not scum; marv would never go for the no-vote on me if he was partner with me. That do not make DP or you scum, but that makes me almost confirmed town.
On December 18 2015 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
On December 18 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).

where do you base this on?

Mm maybe I base this on the quote that is ON THE FUCKING POST JUST ABOVE THIS PARAGRAPH

So because Damdred said so it must be true?
Damdred also said you are mafia at some point. Is that true too?

People having opinions of people's alignement != people stating facts about people meta.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:48 GMT
#914
##Vote Darth Punk

rayn you are almost confirmed town for that marv lynch too. You just need to see that I cannot be his partner given the way he played.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:49 GMT
#915
On December 18 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
I am actually confirmed town.

1 - I am obvious town to anyone that has played with me as both alignements. But I can fake my town play pretty well so it's normal people doubt.

2 - marv not voting me to survive means we are fucked if we are scum together.
If I get lynched D1, marv is super suspicious. Coupled with his difficulty to play scum, there is no way we win.
If DP gets lynched D1, marv and I are the obvious team and we have a hard time winning the game.
If marv gets lynched D1, I am super suspicious and I have a hard time winning the game.

Now:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Marv is town, the reason I say this is he hates giving town information if he is scum and going to roll over.

Two hours and thirty to go and he comes in and tries to fins scum? Maybe he gets lynched maybe not but I he basically Poe town and I don't think scum marv does that on his death bed+ tone.

##unvote

marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).

1) Yes, so am i and so is DP. So hety.. we have a problem here right?
2) Let's say for a second i believe you here. Which brings me back to my question; Why does marv not sheep me into lynching you? Because that would make him not suspicious....

3) a bit more on this. marv was NOT "almost sure to be the lynch D1" when he started posting because me and DP unvoted him, Greymist later. I don't know what game you are reading if this is your interpretation of the situation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:51 GMT
#916
Rels you are arguing in circles again...

Can you go into N2 end and answer my post on you and DP with the best you can?
This isn't helping rn.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:54 GMT
#917
On December 18 2015 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
I am actually confirmed town.

1 - I am obvious town to anyone that has played with me as both alignements. But I can fake my town play pretty well so it's normal people doubt.

2 - marv not voting me to survive means we are fucked if we are scum together.
If I get lynched D1, marv is super suspicious. Coupled with his difficulty to play scum, there is no way we win.
If DP gets lynched D1, marv and I are the obvious team and we have a hard time winning the game.
If marv gets lynched D1, I am super suspicious and I have a hard time winning the game.

Now:
On December 14 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Marv is town, the reason I say this is he hates giving town information if he is scum and going to roll over.

Two hours and thirty to go and he comes in and tries to fins scum? Maybe he gets lynched maybe not but I he basically Poe town and I don't think scum marv does that on his death bed+ tone.

##unvote

marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).

1) Yes, so am i and so is DP. So hety.. we have a problem here right?
2) Let's say for a second i believe you here. Which brings me back to my question; Why does marv not sheep me into lynching you? Because that would make him not suspicious....

3) a bit more on this. marv was NOT "almost sure to be the lynch D1" when he started posting because me and DP unvoted him, Greymist later. I don't know what game you are reading if this is your interpretation of the situation.

I don't know the #1 about DP. Apparently he's way more aggressive as town though (see arsoul first post .... LOL), but if you don't see a difference, whatever.

#2 EXACTLY. If marv was scum with me, he would have sheeped you into me. The way he played, he gave away his partner, and the only way I or he can defend against it afterwards is by playing the WIFOM card. Like I'm doing right now actually.

#3 When he started posting, he was the lynch. Then I was. If he succesfully deflected the lynch off me by lynching DP, we look bad. If I am the lynch, he looks bad.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:54 GMT
#918
and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1

idk if this is what you actually believe but this is not what any decent mafia player should believe is true.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2015 13:56 GMT
#919
On December 18 2015 22:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 18 2015 22:33 Rels wrote:
I am actually confirmed town.

1 - I am obvious town to anyone that has played with me as both alignements. But I can fake my town play pretty well so it's normal people doubt.

2 - marv not voting me to survive means we are fucked if we are scum together.
If I get lynched D1, marv is super suspicious. Coupled with his difficulty to play scum, there is no way we win.
If DP gets lynched D1, marv and I are the obvious team and we have a hard time winning the game.
If marv gets lynched D1, I am super suspicious and I have a hard time winning the game.

Now:
On December 14 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Marv is town, the reason I say this is he hates giving town information if he is scum and going to roll over.

Two hours and thirty to go and he comes in and tries to fins scum? Maybe he gets lynched maybe not but I he basically Poe town and I don't think scum marv does that on his death bed+ tone.

##unvote

marv hates giving information when he's playing scum. He's almost sure to be the lynch D1, and virtually garanteed to be lynched D2 if town if lynched D1. So it's impossible marv goes for a play that results of his team being the "obvious" suspects whatever the lynch person is (see above).

1) Yes, so am i and so is DP. So hety.. we have a problem here right?
2) Let's say for a second i believe you here. Which brings me back to my question; Why does marv not sheep me into lynching you? Because that would make him not suspicious....

3) a bit more on this. marv was NOT "almost sure to be the lynch D1" when he started posting because me and DP unvoted him, Greymist later. I don't know what game you are reading if this is your interpretation of the situation.

I don't know the #1 about DP. Apparently he's way more aggressive as town though (see arsoul first post .... LOL), but if you don't see a difference, whatever.

#2 EXACTLY. If marv was scum with me, he would have sheeped you into me. The way he played, he gave away his partner, and the only way I or he can defend against it afterwards is by playing the WIFOM card. Like I'm doing right now actually.

#3 When he started posting, he was the lynch. Then I was. If he succesfully deflected the lynch off me by lynching DP, we look bad. If I am the lynch, he looks bad.

So okay;Your narrative is that in this game mafia was so bad that regardless of what they do on D1 they end up almost 100% losing the game unless they bus, despite town being so bad that almost everyone thought you were mafia on D1?

Do you seriously believe that is true, because that makes no fucking sense in the first place.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 18 2015 13:57 GMT
#920
On December 18 2015 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels you are arguing in circles again...

Can you go into N2 end and answer my post on you and DP with the best you can?
This isn't helping rn.

If you want. In return, please think about the situation. Yes it's WIFOM; and yes it doens't make sense (especially for "doesn't give info to town" marv) to put the two scums into the "obvious suspects" position.

marv is the lynch. He starts posting. Rels is the lynch. marv deflects the lynch to DP. I deflect the lynch to arsoul.
If DP is lynched => marv and I are the obvious team.
If I am lynched => marv looks bad.
If marv is lynched => I look bad.

This move doesn't have a scum motivation. WIFOM is a tool for scum to escape situations they look scummy when looked in the "obvious" way; but scums wouldn't make themselves look bad just for WIFOM.
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