TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker

On May 18 2013 10:14 GiygaS wrote:
this was my first game back in a whiiiiiiiile (won't be that long for the next one though)

On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

On December 14 2015 17:03 Tictock wrote:




Not sure why you are fixated on Damdred.

Do you have any thoughts on how LS (or anyone else) reacted to Damdred's claim?

Whats your opinion oh Shape?

On December 14 2015 22:57 Shapelog wrote:
When Giyga posts two questions about him, TT becomes defensive and ask why Giyga was fixated on Damred. Kinda of a weird thing to do this early. I would of seen how my town lean would of reacted to the questions and then go on from there. Instead, he loses this chance and deters Giyga from Damred for the time being.

On December 15 2015 10:36 Koshi wrote:
I got to go to sleep. I don't understand how it became 2:30am.
Anybody has any meta on GaygiS? Anybody played with him before? He seems a bit lackluster here. He misread the situation about the miller thing, he is trying to force us to call him giggles, he misread the "cause" "kus" thing, probably because he gets annoyed himself when his name is spelled wrong. Poor guy.

On December 14 2015 13:40 Sukrit wrote:
Onegu hacked ritokys' account?^

On December 14 2015 23:28 Koshi wrote:

No. This Onegu I could fall in love with. Therefore, if this would be Onegu I would kill Onegu for being Onegu in the past.

I love this new meta of mine with all these content rich posts.

On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike

On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote:
too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me.

shape is town
kush is probably town
not interested in lynching koshi
not interested in lynching damdred
not interested in lynching rels
no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment
tt is probably mafia
gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote
gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit
every1 else is nai or unremarkable

##vote: glowingbear

i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia.

On December 16 2015 11:26 Tictock wrote:
I'm probably going to reread Damdred if he's not back at it D2, but I think his shenannies on Vivax were a good idea poorly executed.

I also hope Kush is able to give this game some effort now that he's got some time.

Tube is totally null to me, I almost forgot he was in this game.

I think Rit should be my first reread but my initial feeling is that his EoD lacked the bluster of some of his earlier posts and I think he's overreacting to Damdred's shenanigans, especially when GB was one of his scumreads.

On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay.

On December 15 2015 10:30 Shapelog wrote:


Sure. At least i can try too. I do it in a list too. I love lists for the most part.

GigyaS: Null for the most part. Waiting for him to get back from studying and what not. The few posts he has posted have been decent (more towards the begaining of the day.) Still waiting for his response about me (i'm selfish) (nvm TT responded)
Koshi: Improved, I wouldn't mind putting him as town atm. Hasn't done anything scummy (some light stuff at the beginning, but that about it.) But i think he should build a circle of love.
Rels: I gotten a Town vibe from him, But not enough really. His LS push felt townie since for the most part it was out the window. Gotten to read D1 from dark tourney, not sure 100% yet about the whole thing yet.
Tubesock: 2 posts, but 1st post was ok. Waiting to see more.
GB: No Clue
Vivax: MIA
Surkit: Aggressive, pushes for little to no reasons. Getting a scummy feel off of him. Also involves Koshi when i point him out about TT and how I didn't push Koshi when he did and what not. I mean he's ping ponging from person from person, never really staying on a person except Koshi. Now is on me. Would be in head for 1st day lynch.
Kush: Null for now. Pretty sure GB said he was scummy; Don't agree with GB but i not defending Kush.
Shapelog: About to get drunk for no good reason.
TT: Don't really have a full blown case on him. wished he didn't defend damred earlier on but still. Seems concern about the game. Kinda had a scummy lean/feel on him, mostly from my gut. Gut is where my shit is, so this may be shit.
Ritoky: Called me town, defended(ish) me as town. Then left. Do not know why he is doing this. I mean i like it sense I am town. Maybe he really likes my plays or something, idc/idk.
LS: Town vibe, rereading dark tourment. Rels did bring a good point thou. However, still like his early game and his jokingness. Also Yelling about voting seems about right.
Damred: Null leaning town, most posts are NAI but time is telling.

Mostly i'm just waiting. except for Surkit.

Shall rethink in shower

On December 16 2015 02:45 Shapelog wrote:
(damm i didn't know tab enters text lol)

But I left this off from far fetch theory:

At ##342, he said i was confirmed town. Not maybe, or very, Confirmed. Does this not bother anyone. I mean idk why i fighting against this so hard. But then again, everyone said I was town/thought i was townish at the beginning and i just went on posting garbage tbh. I haven't posted anything uber townie. But he ranks me higher then Koshi? Weird.
Then when someone asks why he is defending me, its "next level thinking" response. Why not explain what so next level about it? Why is that only convinced thought? That derps is Town and not NAI? I mean i love the free town read, but it suspicious to me.

On December 17 2015 02:12 GiygaS wrote:


Could you elaborate TS?

On December 18 2015 14:02 Tictock wrote:
I know Gig says he's busy for a couple more days due to finals but I can't help but feel like it's an excuse since he's basically said he has no reads besides thinking I'm scum for stuff Rit said. Since I seem to be one of the minority concerned about Gig I suppose I'm ok giving him another day. Still if he pulls a Scott here I might get somewhat unbearable later.

On December 18 2015 17:08 Tubesock wrote:
@GiygaS

First, your filter isn't very clear on Rels. What do you think. More importantly are you going to vote him?

On December 18 2015 17:08 Tubesock wrote:Secondly



FYI I think this is actually the post that Shapelog was refering to as his "confirmed" town post. No, Ritoky didn't say the magic word, and confirmed usually means it's true for the entire playerbase, but to Ritoky Shapelog is "confirmed". I think that is where Shape got that from. It wasn't the list post that you quoted. I don't think it's a big point of yours, but if it is, it is wrong.

On December 18 2015 17:08 Tubesock wrote:

I'm reading that as you meant "Still have him as scum but..." But I would like to know if anything has changed. I understand you are pressed for time. I would rather talk about your Rels vote, but you seem more interested in Shape. I guess TT also. I have you in my grey area. So, let's talk about something. Your top 3 vote candidates perhaps?

On December 18 2015 10:30 Koshi wrote:
1) pretend to care about the lynch This could equally be town or mafia.
2) put suspicion on saved person. This is possible, but he would have to think that this puts a ton of suspicion on himself as well.
3) save teammate But you think kush is town. His move wouldn't have even saved kush unless TT hammered
4) wifom in every shape or form So it's a null read
5) yolo plays to look town So it's a null read

5 different reasons why mafia could do it. There are kore and some can be split up further.


I am sleeping 0229

Everybody who townreads damdred is a bad player.

On December 19 2015 05:49 GiygaS wrote:
- He's getting on Damdred for his EoD1 move, but hasn't brought up TT at all in that respect

Going to read through tt and then ls next. When I was reading through kush he seemed to bring up some good points. I don't like the Rels case at all right now, seems mostly based on Shape tinfoil team theories and general misinformation.

On December 19 2015 06:14 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know how I could be mafia.

On December 19 2015 06:17 Tubesock wrote:


Have you read any post this game? Seriously.

On December 19 2015 06:41 Tictock wrote:


I'd like to check this, which posts are you referring to?

On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike

On December 15 2015 15:35 GiygaS wrote:
Still looking over everyone, but I'm sort of stuck on rels. Like I just don't understand his play coming from an experienced player (at least I presume he is based on posts). Like in addition to the things Koshi already said about him, his question seemed to go towards this weird meta-lynch on LS. Like look at this post:



There's 9 hours between this post and LS replying to his list. In these 9 hours, LS is pretty on top of things, his content isn't isolated to this list that was requested, and they're pretty relevant to the game. I don't think LS is particularly townie, but this is a pretty bullshit case on him.

It just feels like rels posted a weird question and then wanted to attach meaning to it so he put up this weird argument that doesn't even make sense. He even ignored that already noted scummy post from LS (the one where he's talking about conserving posts for the filter), the dude he's talking about.

On December 15 2015 18:03 Rels wrote:

Fuck he's probably town
##Unvote

On December 15 2015 18:14 Rels wrote:

Here is the content LS produced between my question and my accution in those 9 hours, excluding the posts that answer to me:




You dirty liar.
##Vote GiygaS

On December 14 2015 22:57 Shapelog wrote:


Wait till you see drunken shapelog. Shit will hit the fan if i decide to get drunk while playing .

On December 20 2015 11:59 Tictock wrote:


Oh wow n/m I fail at reading, just saw Kush when I glanced at this first.
...

Uhh, well then this is shit for us then.

5/3

Sorry Koshi.
>.<

On December 21 2015 00:37 Shapelog wrote:
Giygas Khan is more and more like Khan everyday. The real Khan built schools and educated the mongrels. Now we find out that he has a math degree.

Just waiting for the Mongolian horde and for him to reveal that he has "rape" (some was rape, others did it actually to survive) people.

On December 21 2015 04:07 Tictock wrote:


What changed your mind on me?

On December 23 2015 04:31 LightningStrike wrote:
giy if you have a gun to your head who would be the 3rd scum and why?

On December 23 2015 05:07 LightningStrike wrote:

Any reason why? I have him as town atm.