Damred again (was popular vote/topic to discus back then). Again Koshi says something about Damred Scum game, Rels Counters with No No No this is his meta. Based off of half ass town reads. Again going with the flow of who is easier to lynch.
On December 16 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
OK I don't want to lynch TT.
Damdred and kush are my options.
Damred and Kush. Kush because he moved up and Damred because he invested in him.
On December 16 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:
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1 - did I nitpick and was paranoid of you last game, when you were *obvious town* ? No.
2 - I'm not buddying anyone.
3 - what bullshit reasons are you talking about ?
This was when Damred called Rels scum and Rels said OMGUS case, explain. Explains, shots it down with cause what? meta! #1 That last game, STOP TALKING ABOUT LAST GAME! Dear lord. 2 is true. 3, We know what "BS Reasons" when we look at Rels filter. The this guy is popular topic that town is unsure about. let me say i hate him and vote him.
On December 16 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Hrm
I'll have to look st context tommorow then see what happened.
I can't lead a lynch this far behind in an hour. So I see people want me, GB or kush correct
1 - can you do a list post with you reads please ?
2 - you shouldn't need the context to defend yourself from my case. So please do it.
3 - you said I had bullshit reasons here:
On December 16 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
He's buddying obvious town when usually he would be nit picking everyone and super paranoid of *obvious town*.
he's also trying to use more bullshit reasons and instead of trying to push what he thinks he is taking the path of least resistance.
ie instead of pushing me jumped on kush.
idk if kush is scum granted but its suspicious of rels.
please quote and explain.
Uber Defensive here against Damred. too much in my opinion to be town.
On December 16 2015 18:28 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote:
Oooo damdred gets all the balme come at me I'll fucking eat you up and bm you until day phase where hopefully a big shoots me.
come fucking at me
rsoultin read says that it cannot be scum Damdred.
So Damdred, stop being obnoxious and start playing the game pretty please.
Like wtf. Push this guy for so far and then some "rsoultin" read says he can't be scum? da fuck is going on anymore.
On December 17 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense.
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does.
You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game.
So I have two problems with town!you believing the above:
- Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post
- Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games.
Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town.
If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it.
If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum.
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one).
What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ?
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.
1 - even if it was true, so ?
2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD.
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately.
I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW.
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.
If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either.
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.
Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI.
Holy mother of shit. Did he just use the "its not always the case, because it meta" excuse....... Fuck Me for even deciding to go through this Hell.
You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game.
So I have two problems with town!you believing the above:
- Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post
- Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine
Do not care about underline. I can understand TS over Rel because Rel was Voting/pressuring LS at the time, when it was popular. Why not stay more on the pressure, and make him sweat pass cap lock? Is it because he meet his Meta? Idc, TS is more believable here.
Onegu/Surkit reaction was ok. I mean Onegu outted himself and was kinda of a suspect anyways because of mansion.
Lurker reasoning:
1 - even if it was true, so ? So kush was a lurker who you voted for..... And Giyga Khan and TS was attack when popular.
2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD. So was everyone else. Like everyone.
I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW.
Opportunistic on damred.......Are you kidding me....... I do not even think i need explain how he has been opportunistic all game.
If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either.
Meh i guess so. But if that is the case, does that make me and the way i vote NAI, although it is talked about. Not sure about if he knew GB would flip town, so i am not sure about this point.
On December 17 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
Let's be honest here I am neither invested currently in the game and I'm not as interested in becoming so after the couple of days I've had.
However I will put some form of concerted effort forward to uphold my reputation. And to the person who say damdred is always scum if he's alive after d4 I hate to tell you this I don't have a very good record of being shot for some reason.
Also calling my try to shenanigan away from the current lymch brain dead is incorrect. I have been in plenty of moves that take less time than 4 minutes sometimes 50 seconds is all you need especially with a full game.
However rels what question am I missing or have missed?
Vivax is obvious scum at this point or at least should be ashwd of himaelf if town.
Can you go back to your post saying I had bullshit reasons and point out what are they ?
We know about the BS reasons. No fucking need to beat a dead horse again. Blah blah blah
On December 17 2015 06:19 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 05:07 Tubesock wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:
This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense.
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You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game.
So I have two problems with town!you believing the above:
- Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post
- Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games.
Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town.
If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it.
If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one).
What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ?
On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.
1 - even if it was true, so ?
2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately.
I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.
If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.
Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI.
The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference.
The time it took me to do the above made me think how long it would have taken me to find out Sukrit's identity. I'm more curious to hear how you did it. It would take me days so there must be a trick. But the point is you spent time on smurf hunting rather than solving the game while you are not being active. When I have lots of time to solve the game then smurf hunting is fine, but you haven't been that active so you are wasting that limited resource on smurf hunting? Really? At least it wasn't blue hunting so there's that but still.
yeah, you were OK with lynching TT. TT who had heat on him from several of the town leaders. Way to stick your neck out and make a bold read. I don't think townRels backs down from any fight. I think mafiaRels may or may not back down. Your targets were LS, GiygaS, me, TicTock, and lackluster Damdred. Damdred is the only one in that list that wouldn't qualify as an easy target and that's purely based on reputation. Then you vote completely null Kush. you didn't want to put in the work for getting one of your targets lynched. You took the easy way. I think townRels would have done more.
I don't think you cared about the lynch. I'll concede it's possible confirmation bias but the tone I read in your 3-4 posts "hey guys GB might be bad lynch" is just acting. I don't think you cared at all. Now the important information we need to use this indifference is both GB's and Kush's alignment. If Kush is mafia then your indifference makes you town as mafiaRels would care and probably wouldn't be voting teammate Kush. BUT if Kush is town then indifference could be either and with everything else I think this piece sums you mafia. But we dont' know Kush's alignment yet.
I can't believe you're accusing me of being "indifferent" to the lynch when I tried to get Damdred lynched, then when it wasn't done, gave my opinion on my preferred lynch with reasonning. Especially since you weren't even present to discuss anything; and even more especially since in the ONLY game we've played together, I was even more unsure about the lynch that was between you Chez and ruxxar.
So bro, if kush is not scum, you are the one that (1) didn't care about the lynch between two townies, to the point of not being there and (2) already finding suspects based on it.
About my magic find, it took me 20 seconds:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Sukrit&gb=dateVoilà.
Underline is a past game i do not care for. Indifferent is a lie through:
On December 16 2015 06:34 Rels wrote:
OK I read GB's filter and I understand the votes on him. I don't want to lynch him though 'cause the way he posts reads seems carefree about the consequences, which is not what I expect from an experienced scum, but more from a "I don't care" townie.
On December 16 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
OK I don't want to lynch TT.
Damdred and kush are my options.
On December 16 2015 06:48 Rels wrote:
Whatever OK to lynch kush. I don't think GB is likely to flip scum.
##Unvote
##Vote kushm4sta
Indifferent my ass. I would explain why but I am so fucking sick from reading this train of webs that i can.
Then Fin
After this, I almost want to vote Rels. Like 98% of me wants to just fucking type this. BUT, i going to do what i said i would do and compare this to his Dark tourament filter. I would HARD compare it like "This is what Rels does" more like just compare and see if he is always so opportunistic
Rels new nickname is Rick, Do not ask why.....
On December 16 2015 05:32 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Rels is officially not mafia at all. Never ever.
I feel officially buddied.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is where damred got his buddy post
EPT![[image loading]](http://soclday.com/p/2015/10/images-of-christmas-xaqo9t5w.jpg)
I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations...
