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Tictock
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On December 15 2015 05:21 GiygaS wrote: What about the question about shape? (you wanted my thoughts on him in particular for some reason) Kus I was rethinking my read on Shape at the time and wanted to push you to talk about someone else. Win Win. | ||
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Tictock
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Who am I sheeping so I don't have to bother doing anything? | ||
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Tictock
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Rit is giving me seriuse Dejavu, like This push on me is so similar to GB's push on me last game it's scary. The problem I have with Rit's push is that he is basing it off an unwavering townread on Shape and has in turn formed an unwavering scumread on me. What especially bugs me is the fact that both GB last game and Rit this game throw out is " I like to be right" as if that furthers your read at all. Now I realize my posting has been lackluster due to my lack of time and I don't expect anyone to have a townread on me or anything, but being tunneled for posting my thoughts on a null read is pretty lame. @ Rit, I totally disagree with the " One moment seals your alignment" nonsense you are spouting. Maybe you think that way, but I like to take a step back from my reads and reevaluate from time to time. I still need to get better at it because I tend to get tunneled on shit like GB last game. | ||
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Tictock
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He's been fairly lackluster thus far, think I recall him promising to do some stuff then had a RL emergency and never did it. Possibly low-activity town or lurking mafia. Idk, the interaction we had felt kinda ok. I'll poke into his filter and give a better read when I get home. | ||
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Tictock
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I'll do the filter dive of Gig I promised Rels and then catchup with what I've missed thus far. While at work I was thinking about the whole Rit hardreading Shape. It's possible that what he said about "One moment defines a player" is just really how he's approaching this game (I don't recall him ever useing thinking like this before though, so it's weird) but I think it might be an indication that Rit is mafia. So I know for sure we aren't looking at a Rit/Shape team here, kus I just don't believe Rit would hard defend a teammate like he is. I'm wondering now if the hard townread is a sign of TMI? Like it dosn't make a ton of sense for Rit to have such a hard townread on Shape if he's town, he even made a post pointing out that Shape was doing some stuff that was stupid or looked bad, it also makes no sense for Rit to hard defend a scummate. However it makes perfect sense for a scum!Rit to hard defend a new-to-our-fourms town!Shape who people might have a hard time reading well. Would give him a nice platform to push from while seeming like he wants to prevent a mislynch. The other thing that I was thinking about, is why am I the only person to have irked Rit for my read on Shape? I know he posted out his thoughts on why he thought I was scum for rethinking my read but he's given little to no reaction to anyone else scumreading Shape. I realize my view on Rit is rather tainted with OMGUS kus he has a fordrawn conclusion to lynch me here, and my thinking here is more WIFOM than real evidence but I'm thinking Rit might be scum here. Only thing making me a bit unsure is that Rit is rather invested in his reads (pushing them etc) and cares about the lynch. So right now I'd put Rit as a OMGUS tainted scumlean. | ||
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Tictock
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On December 15 2015 13:56 ritoky wrote: too many people don't have an opinion on who is mafia. too many null reads. everyone should call someone mafia in their next post and stop wasting time pussyfooting. the time for your pointless shitty information gathering questions is past; form some opinions and stop being less useful than me. shape is town kush is probably town not interested in lynching koshi not interested in lynching damdred not interested in lynching rels no girls in the game so dunno LS alignment tt is probably mafia gb is underwhelming and should be a potential vote gig does the whole not delivering on promises shit every1 else is nai or unremarkable ##vote: glowingbear i am voting on you to piss you off so that you can shit town on me and then i can lynch tt at the eod. please stop being worse than me, cuz if you're worse than me you're probably mafia. Rit can you talk to me more about your bolded reads here? Kush has made a few okish posts since his open, but what has he done to warrant a townread like this? Why are you saying you need girls to read LS? is this a joke I'm missing, kus it seems really werid to me. Why have you given Rels a free pass but not GB? I don't really recall anything noteworthy from either of them so why is Rels a no lynch but GB a pressure vote? | ||
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Tictock
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On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote: Thanks for NAI help. This is only true if I was that focused on Damdred in the first place. The first was only because I was initially confused why he posted the miller claim. The second was because I just didn't agree with his reasoning and wanted to point it out, it wasn't because I had a scum read on him. I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced.  So here is the 2nd time Gig responds to why he was talking about Damdred in his first 2 posts, which is a bit odd as in the post he's responding too Shape was talking about me getting defensive of Damdred and pinging out Gig's first 2 posts not talking to Gig at all. Shows he's being rather defensive of those posts for no real reason. I'm also noting the Bolded line where he says everyone is null or town to him. The next part about Koshi is really weird, he just says a "lean" (I assume scumlean) on Koshi but for a meta he hasn't experienced. Unless you really trust the person making the meta argument I don't get why you would let a meta read you have no experience with influence your reads. Next he throws a vote on me with a townread on Rit. On December 15 2015 04:09 GiygaS wrote: Woops forgot vote. I'll add I have a town read on ritoky as well since his posts have been short but decently high quality. ##Vote ticktock This really looks to me like it could be mafia hopping on a bandwagon, he doesn't make a read on me himself but rather declares Rit is town and then votes with him (not literally since Rit wasn't voting then, but you know what I mean). It's really interesting then how Gig unvotes me almost right after. On December 15 2015 06:48 GiygaS wrote: ##Unvote tictock He's swapped back to null for me, will look over more when I get home from studying. The unvote came after I answered Gig's questions regarding my questions to him early on. Which would imply that those questions were why Gig was scumreading me, not the case Rit made. Gig's next post: On December 15 2015 10:38 GiygaS wrote: Home from studying. Since I'm in the note-taking mood I'm going to go through the thread again writing in a notebook to organize my thoughts a bit. I'll keep looking at the newer posts though so I'll be around. So far have null or town reads on everybody, but hoping to change that within the next 2-ish hours. Talks about putting effort into some note taking, reads are again all town or null. NAI stuff happens with RL, then after he returns. On December 15 2015 14:36 GiygaS wrote: Finished reading through and writing general notes. Going to go through filters and hang around still. Current scum reads are on tt (again, I really don't like that list of townread retraction with NAI stuff) and shape (holy shit that random asslist in to weird sukrit fos). Might get some more/less post-filters, but we'll see. For the record, my name has been spelled 9 different ways, so that's pretty neat. Also, these posts :D Scum reads me again kus of same post Rit is going on about and adds in Shape and later talks about Rels' LS meta read and votes him. I'm not sure what caused him to move back to me over Rels kus I'm not caught up just yet, but I'll keep an eye out for it as I plan to get caught up next. For those who hate to read, Reasons to scumread Gig. - Weird progression on me. Scum read on me develops after Rit starts pushing me, drops the read after we talk about something else, then says everyone is null and shortly after is back on me for the same thing Rit was talking about in the first place. -Multiple times says he's got only Null and Town reads. Mafia tend to have a hard time finding reasons to scumread other players whereas town tends to jump on things that bug them. -Scumreads all come from other people. He mentions a "lean" on Koshi for a meta he has no experience with (obviously talking about the meta read on Koshi early on), his readon me comes from Rit, the scumread on Rels was from Koshi, and I think (I haven't checked this one) the Shape read comes from Onegu/Sukrit I think Gig is probably Mafia based on this. ##Vote: GiygaS | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 02:39 Koshi wrote: At this point Onegu is simply mafia. I do not think he can be this fucking bad. That is a read that will never change. fucking 100% mafia. I towntelled pretty much 100% atm and he still is going on about how I am mafia. Pretty insane. Even if I am not yet 100% town. Going on about how I am mafia when there are WAY more possible candidates out there is just unbelievable unlikely. Seriously? I didn't react enough because I already knew it was Onegu??????????????????? And I somehow wanted to prevent people to know it was Onegu because if it was Onegu people would believe his read on me and think I am truly mafia? This is too fucking stupid even for Onegu. He is mafia. ##unvote ##vote Onegu Now I am pretty sure TT is also mafia btw, and somehow I think he should be lynched. But if anybody believes the idiocy that Onegu just wrote there..... Holy fuck. This can only come from mafia. Seriously. What a fucking far fetched case. This is really only possible coming from Mafia. Town is simply not that retarded. Idk, this is kinda overblown. Like Onegu's play this game is pretty solid, and him wondering why you had such a mild reaction to him being reveled is fair. No way do you actually believe him questioning that makes him mafia. | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 02:40 Shapelog wrote: Btw Sukrits post about me and Scum Team QT made me remember my far fetch theory about Ritoky. Fair fetch Theroy: (Spoilers) + Show Spoiler + Ok so Ritoky has been defending me all game and calling me confirmed town is weird. I know i am town, but i do not think i have posted anything that makes me confirmed town. And all he does and says derps to defend me. When TT retakes his town read on me, Rit retakes his read on TT. He seems hellbent on defending me. With only reasoning being "oh hes derping thats town, Next level stuff." IDK maybe he likes me. OR maybe he is scum. He knows i'm town if he is mafia and make it seem like mafia defending mafia. Then i'll get lynch for the consent defense and flip town, it will bring him tons of town cred. I know this is far fetch but it makes sense. Why else would he be defending me so hard? Why read into my dumbness? I see our tinfoil is set to the same frequency sir. What do you make of the fact that Rit only cares about me rethinking my read on you, but doesn't really bother with anyone else who isn't sure about you, or even scumreads you? | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 03:00 Koshi wrote: Fuck that shit. I am going to calm down and read. I really think Onegu should just be lynched for being the dumbest fucker alive who appears to also be mafia but seriously. I felt really good about my TT, GB, Kush and Rels list earlier. Good, kus I think Onegu is town and you and he are simply always rubbing each other wrong. I saw you posts about Rels (he's on my list of filters to check), but can you expand on your GB and Kush reads a little? | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 03:29 Shapelog wrote: I love how i decided to go up against everyone who is saying I am town. I do too actually, I can't recall if I said it yet or not but you've made it into my townpile. I think the only reason I really took a step back was kus earlier on I was mixing you and Sukrit up and when I looked at filters to get my reads straight there was a fair few things in yours that made me uneasy. Hell even if I wasn't fairly convinced you were town by now I'd want to keep you in the game kus you are pretty active and I've liked a lot of your posts. | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 03:45 Sukrit wrote: Nope one of us die today. It will be me and I am 1000000000000000000000000% fucking ok with that because you give me a headache. I cant believe I used to enjoy playing with you. Guys why can't you two play nice? Lets not lynch between you 2 so we actually have a solid chance to lynch mafia today. I get that you 2 have a rocky history, but having to read about this feud in two games now is pretty tireing. Also, for the record I think you both tend to have good reads (though Koshi can be really unpredictable) so maybe you can try and put aside your hate for each other and look at what you agree on? ... Fuck that's me isn't it? | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 04:20 Vivax wrote: I have no brain power for this game today,ill sheep Koshi Super late to the party, eh? Why Koshi? | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 05:20 Rels wrote: I think Damdred is scum. Damdred is not invested in the game, which is already a big indicator. Damdred usually plays D1 by finding townreads, and lynching the one not in his town list. Here I have the distinct impression he tried to replicate that but failed. He has a couple of easy townreads that are not mostly based on nothing: His only posts that are a little big are about how to read Koshi, which is something completely unrelated to scumhunting: Finally, there is no list post that Damdred uses for finding scums by POE with his townreads, especially on D1. For comparaison, here are the kind of posts I expected from Damdred (from Really Small Mafia II and Dark Tournament Mafia in which he flipped town). Really Small Mafia II, 12 hours into D1: Dark Tournament, 25 hours into D1: I think Damdred is scum. ##Unvote ##Vote Damdred Rels you really use meta reads way too much. I do agree Damdred has dropped off a fair bit... idk he still seems more involved than he was in SoW2. Maybe I'll give a look into him if I have time, but I've seen nothing to actually make me suspect him. | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 05:36 Rels wrote: Yep that's true. When I was scum with Damdred in sotw he posted several times he was going to do stuff and didn't. Thing #1 that was not done. Thing #2 that was not done. Humm I did forget about this.. and @ Koshi, check Damdred's scum game in SoW2, he was playing in multiple games and did the lurker thing as scum. Not sure he would do that again so soon but he was playing in another game when this one started... But then that's weird kus he was more active then... | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 05:40 Koshi wrote: 1) The post on Kush that is serious / jokey 2) The townread on Shape, into retraction, into townread again because ritoky says so 3) The scumread on ritoky is based on "having the same feeling like with GB last game", but GB was town? dafuq? 4) Now he is really trowing all eggs in the ritoky is mafia basket. 5) early game he had too many weak townreads and found nothing scummy, or didn't jump on anything. jsut some points I quickly recall 1) What was wrong with it? I didn't like his opening as he was talking about a lot of different things, making excuses, and throws out a vote out of nowhere. I found his "reasons" for voting Rit funny though. 2) I don't give a shit about Rit's read (other than it's weird it's so strong), I thought Shape might be town, reread and saw some stuff that made me pause, and based on his responses and continued posting decided I was overreacting to NAI stuff. 3) More of a null/scum lean than a real scumread. His reads are a little weird and some tinfoil thoughts make sense for him being mafia but I'd want to see his responses to my questions before I get more into that read. 4) Total BS, I'm not at all sure Rit is mafia here, he could well be town tunneled on me just like GB was last game. It's the reads stuff that is making me wonder. 5) So? I've been playing more to the style of finding town first then figuring out mafia from the remaining pool of players. I've also had hardly any time to play since this game started and all almost all my posts till today were made while at work on mobile. | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 05:47 Koshi wrote: TickTock, Last game you proved that you are able to tunnel like a motherfucker and that you can find mafia treats in the game very easily. Why are you so lackluster here? I am reading this case, I already read it twice, and there is not the same conviction coming from it like you had last game with GB. Not at all. Any reason for that? (18 left) Being tunneled on Town all of last game kinda makes me want to try and tone that down some. Honestly the biggest difference is that this game seems to have a lot more going on than the last game and I'm not very sure on my scumreads atm. I feel pretty good about my townreads though. I don't remember how much time I sunk into last D1 but I think it was easily twice as much time as I have now. Reading filters in isolation is also not the way I prefer to make my reads but that's what I got out of reading Gig's. It also really sucks having Tube and Vivax only joining the game now as I'd prefer to have a better sense of all the players in this game, but I'm not sure there's much of anything to go on for those 2. Rels is kinda in this boat as well, but mostly just kus i haven't read him very closly yet. My initial gut read on him was that he wasn't trying to bust out the tryhard mode I see him use as mafia a lot and that would make him town. His last case on Damdred feels more like something I'd see from scum!Rels though, so I should relook at him. | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 05:54 Koshi wrote: It literally cannot be solid unless you think I am mafia, and you agree you are mafia. He didn't say anything else. Some stuff about shape as well. (15 left) I am going to vote you and see what happens. I will reread you filter if you flip town. I think there are too many reasons for you to be mafia. And I also think that you don't have enough votes for the amount of people saying you are mafia. Not the best reason but you got like 3 votes or something. I'm not talking about his reads, I mean the way he is posting, talking about stuff, and pushing people. "Play" encompasses a lot more than reads. | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 06:02 ritoky wrote: kush - had the tr on me at the right time, had the gb read at the right time, told koochi to go fuck himself. LS - historically women on these forums read him with near 100% accuracy. it isn't a joke or an exaggeration. rels - i coached rels and in doing so i developed a method of reading him, it doesn't work until day 2 or later so i am confident in my ability to discern his alignment late game. Ok w/e about the LS thing, I kinda get you on Rels, but the Kush stuff doesn't make much sense to me, well expect the part about Koshi. This "the right time" feels like shit to me, how do you know the right time? | ||
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Tictock
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On December 16 2015 06:21 ritoky wrote: why rit is mafia and gig is mafia case before reading and analyzing thread? Stuff on you was what I was thinking about before I got home, put it down kus it was fairly fresh. Gig was kus Rels asked me to look into him, so it didn't start out a case but thats where I ended up after diving his filter. Gotta pick somewhere to start when I got home, and those were the 2 things on my mind. | ||
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