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Too make my argument a bit more readable:
- scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat?
I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens.
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So DYH could have basically voted anyone D1...
Also the decent posts, where he is looking at HtS, start N1... after NocturneMage got replaced in...
His case is also posted after NM comes in and posts that piece on HtS very likely to be mafia...
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On December 04 2015 10:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:56 disformation wrote:
So DYH could have basically voted anyone D1...
Also the decent posts, where he is looking at HtS, start N1... after NocturneMage got replaced in...
His case is also posted after NM comes in and posts that piece on HtS very likely to be mafia... So pretty much a opportunist?
Well, he had 0 scum reads and 2-3 town reads before he suddenly adds me to that..
So you might want to say he had _all_ the options open.
And just sheeping his townreads doesn't suggest a high desire to get this game solved to me either.
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3.30 am, getting a headache. cu tomorrow.
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phone post:
okay, okay I can agree that at least one of the two is town and NM looks better than HtS.
But pls dont ignore DYH agsin.
need to double check a few things in his defense compared to his filter. will be at a pc in around a hour to do so, but i would appreciate you guys at lesst giving DYH a quick glance.
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bleh... sry for double post:
at least one of the two is mafia
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On December 04 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM. The deadline thing is great. LS is almost confirmed town.
actually:
can you explain that to me? i dont understand it?
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On PC now.
On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote:BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_- Town: Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work  Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game. Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there. NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being. Null: HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again. James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay. Scum: DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value. If I missing anyone let me know.
Nah, you totally got everyone. *wink wink* *nudge nudge* 
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Eh, happens. 
Going to look at DYH defense + filter again... acutally let me get a coffee first.
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On December 05 2015 00:21 NocturneMage wrote:
There was quite a bit of discussion regarding DYH bussing HTS - he has voted her. I would analyse how he approached the discussion prior to him voting her.
I had to prompt him to actually vote her, that is about the only thing that I can call into question how much he believed in voting her.
Tbf I saw his shit right as I replaced in. His arguments were similar if not identical to mine, mine were based more on out of game information and some meta/prior game understanding of her.
Do you mean the discussion about HtS?
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
On December 03 2015 10:37 DoYouHas wrote:
Before you all get ahead of yourselves and this gets lost, lets take a look at Kush's filter and reads.
Town reads on myself, trfel, and fid.
Scum reads on Moosy and HtS. Convinced to lynch LS over Moosy.
Seems pretty suspicious of Rels (#240 & #547) but doesn't really push him.
Doesn't townread Palmar like many of us have (myself included).
I think it is fair to say that he was at least townie-null on Damdred since it is Damdred's push on LS that got him to change his vote.
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Conclusion: I need to reread HtS with the new knowledge of Kush and LS (I agree that the deadline post makes him very, very likely town).
On December 03 2015 13:27 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? Her role in the lynch was jumping on the shenanigans wagon that Shining initiated. Plenty of people did the same thing and it happened fast. So it can't really be indicative of anything on its own. I think I'm seeing what Kush saw and then some. Gathering my thoughts.
On December 03 2015 14:52 DoYouHas wrote:
1. HtS padded her filter with a lot of recapping and clarifying and meta that doesn't lead to conclusions.
2. HtS spreads around quite a bit of suspicion but does not actually push anyone or really take the lead on anything.
- She scumleans me, plants her vote, and then does nothing to see me lynched. According to #555 I was actually more of a null read and her suspicion and vote were to get me to post more. There is no follow through here, either pressure wise or lynchwise.
- She scumleans kush, points out some stuff that she doesn't like, and then does nothing about it until shenanigans.
3. In spite of all her RL issues she has been plenty active, she is just not really doing anything except engaging Trfel and playing the middle ground.
4. Her play towards LS is highly suspicious. The way I understand it, HtS knows LS better than most. She was reading him critically before any of us and moved him towards null/scum first. She seems unwilling to lynch LS... until Damdred and Palmar take the lead. Then she provides a weak additional reason to not like LS (#627) and switches votes. Does she feel the need to justify her switch beyond just agreeing with Damdred and Palmar?
Here is the important part. Right after LS re-enters the thread super emotional, HtS starts positioning for a townflip and distancing herself from responsibility for the lynch.
LS is someone she knows better than most. She immediately starts doubting the wagon after he reenters the thread. Her response is, "quick! LS, prove to me you are town!" and "crap, I can't get a good enough sense of his meta in 20 minutes to derail this thing!". With the level of doubt she displayed on the wagon she was helping push she should have been among the first to push onto another candidate. Whether that is me or kush, which would make sense for her, or even just Moosy. Any of those plays makes sense for HtS. Instead, she sits on wagon she doesn't like for 30 minutes and only switches when somebody else will get the blame for starting a counterwagon, incidentally, onto another townie.
So he had no opinion prior to the kush flip and you replacing in.
Read his D1 filter, it is like half a page long.
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On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote:
I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani.
If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life.
There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero.
Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia.
Holy hells.
I don't think I can not believe you. About HtS that is, would have to look at LS again.
Still think DYH is scum though. xD
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On December 05 2015 00:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote:On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote:On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote:On December 04 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you can't figure out my alignment that's on you, not me. Town hero and eternal leader Damdred figured it out. Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town. Dude... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged. How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes. Magic obviously lol.
So Palmar has magical appearing links and DYH has magical appearing and disapearing reads, do I sense a connection here? :D
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On December 05 2015 00:49 NocturneMage wrote:
and 2/3s of LS' post is (poorly explained) meta. Someone kill me please. And I see Rels is shooting part of that down already.
Why is Palmar town in your own words?
I think someone said LS relies heavily on meta.
Oh @ LS:
I will try to look at some of the games you linked later, if I get the time to.
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Let's do this!
DYH defense:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 04 2015 14:38 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:34 disformation wrote:Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again... Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest. On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote:DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose itTalking about this post: On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this.
On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no senseAlready explained here: On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.
If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynchHere are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote:
Catching up now.
I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. ConclusionIf we have a vig, you know who to shoot. Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:43 disformation wrote:On December 04 2015 10:38 NocturneMage wrote:On December 04 2015 10:34 disformation wrote:Ah actually, upon looking at DYH again... Let me bring up Rels case again. Cause it got kinda lost in the forest. On December 03 2015 20:19 Rels wrote:DoYouHas is probably scum: a solid case1. Agreeing to a setup idea that is benefit to scum; without being the first to propose itTalking about this post: On December 01 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Firstly for the roles, nobody should talk about this besides an opinion going forward, if you are a named towny you should claim asap, it narrows down the pool that we lynch from and also gives us more to work with. however if you are the Vet do not claim unless absolutely necessary. If you are shot claim if you aren't shut the hell up. After you use your power claim straight away your findings if you are one shot obviously do not pussy foot away and give mafia the ability to cause town to second guess you. As such thank you for your time in reading this.
On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. boxer claiming is (was =X ) bad for town 50% of the time, so this post pushes a scum advantage. Furthermore, he's agreeing with Damdred on that, not taking responsability for the idea. 2. His Trfel's read makes no senseAlready explained here: On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.
If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas 3. A total apathy towards the lynchHere are the two posts DYH made after coming back to EOD: On December 03 2015 07:01 DoYouHas wrote:
Catching up now.
I can't see any scum motivation behind Trfel's hard defending of me. It doesn't even look like positioning for my flip is even really a possibility here. I was going after him, voted him, thread sentiment is against me. I'm an easy EASY person for scum trfel to keep the heat on. That he ran the other direction when there is no reason to as mafia is major town points in my book. Unvoting. On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. DYH just didn't care about the lynch. The third post was only made after I tried to get people to vote him. Furthermore, disfo bought a really good point about sheeping his "townreads": On December 03 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post... I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so: His reason for voting LS: On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. Last mention of me in his filter: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from... Taking a break now. ConclusionIf we have a vig, you know who to shoot. I don't have a definitive read on Rels yet, but are you suggesting that DYH is bussing HTS for cred? I'm saying this because he's called her out for near identical (and obviously less personal but still just as valid) reasons that I know she is mafia. Then again nearly everyone was scumreading him? Meh I wasn't halfway through the thread when I started breaking on Dani, but what makes you think this? My big problem with DYH: Look at his filter. Outside the case on HtS how many reads are there? + Show Spoiler +At the EoD1 he says I am a town read of him, when the last mention of me is being in the "middleground-group". So the few reads are kinda magical and can come and go without explanation. And when this is pointed out, he flat out ignores it. Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:56 disformation wrote:
So DYH could have basically voted anyone D1...
Also the decent posts, where he is looking at HtS, start N1... after NocturneMage got replaced in...
His case is also posted after NM comes in and posts that piece on HtS very likely to be mafia... (Post#1)Rels Case: 1. Rels is wrong. The value in the information of a confirmed town through claim to town far exceeds the value of setup information to scum. (And this is even granting that scum don't know the setup, which we don't know.) Espousing this does not make me scum, it makes me right. 2. Rels is misrepresenting me and ignoring my actual read progression on Trfel. My disagreement with Trfel on Damdred and subsequent response to him asking "am I sane or not" is not a townread. My mindmeld post was written without regard to Damdred's weak townread on Trfel. My actual read progression: Suspicious -> Null -> Scum -> Town -> Unsure without review 3. I admit I was not an effective scumhunter day1. I had a feel for the game which led me to believe that there were scum in the middleground. I spent some time looking at playres I felt fit that description, but nothing really stuck out to me such that I wanted to push a lynch on any of them. The only thing I felt was a lack of content from LS. I didn't think it was enough of a reason to push him, so instead I asked for his reads on my mover and shaker group, Damdred, Palmar, Rels. The smart play for town if you do not have any good scumreads of your own at the end of the day is to sheep the scumreads of those you believe to be town, which is exactly what I did. And yes, Disfo gets lumped into my towngroup. That was my gut read from the earlier filter reading. Not particularly useful when I was searching for scum as I was choking on town/null reads and unable to find things I wanted to pursue. It was useful in deciding where to place my vote at the end of the day. (Post#2) 0 reads? Townread-Damdred Townread-Palmar Townread-Shining Scumread-Trfel Townread-Trfel Townread-Disfo For what is essentially a 1 page filter with the HtS stuff I get more solid reads in here than your average joe. Yeah, I sucked at getting scumreads but that is just a fact of my Day1. (Post#3) See response to post 1. (Post#4) It is quite the opposite of what you are saying here. There is virtually nobody I could have put my vote on by the EoD and not caught flak for it. Leaving yourself options is when you make a bunch of null reads or spread around suspicion on multiple targets so that you are justified no matter where your vote lands. I looked into HtS more carefully because of Kush flip. NM even brings up my post as the reason he first is suspecting her.
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Eh, don't think the disagreement on claiming/not claiming is really alignment indicative here.
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Your progression of Trfel per your posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
So I'd rather see a:
??? -> ??? -> scum
3.
D1 can a bit difficult I understand, but not pushing anyone, having no scum reads at all and just sheeping the lynch does look damn scummy especially in that combination.
Post#2
Right forgot your The Shining read. The Shining read is okay, so is the Palmar one. Your scumread on Trfel has a bunch of OMGUS added in. And then you give him a town read for hard defending you? Interesting.
And your read on me is not a read, you just suddenly decide I am town.
The damdred town read is really early when you say you are happy with him?
Post#4
Not sure what you are getting at here...
Yeah you could not vote for anyone so you sheep your townreads. Easily done as both alignments. Or is that a "I was too bad at keeping my options open"?
Didn't you spend quite a while reading HtS as one of the middleground ppl earlier, but weren't able to find anything? Kush flips, NM gets replaced in and then you find enough to make a good case?
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Also: D1 DYH didn't seem to want to solve the game or cared about it too much (I think he got mad a bit when a few ppl where scum reading him D1), but N1 he suddenly busts out this case on he person he said he was checking D1, but wasn't able to find anything... yeah
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On December 05 2015 01:11 Rels wrote:
Disfo: one of NM and HTS is probably scum. Can you chose one ?
I don't think this comes from scum!NM
On December 05 2015 00:25 NocturneMage wrote:
I also heavily believe LS is Mafia. He's going out after Dani.
If Dani flips town, I am giving her my next two weeks' salary and I'll take a mislynch because I am that fucking bad at understanding someone I know extremely well in real life.
There is zero fucking chance she is town. Zero.
Rels, I can understand you being hesitant because I'm not being "analytical" but this is HTS we are talking about here. She is a weasel when she is Mafia.
And as explained here:
On December 04 2015 00:08 disformation wrote:
HtS
From the top of my head I feel like there is a certain lack on follow ups. I also remembered playing with town!HtS in my first game (NSM9), where she was interrogating me inquisiton style EoD1 and D2 to get some conclusions from me. That kind of fire is a bit missing here I feel.
So her coming back to follow up on the promised re-reads of people and throwing out some reads, would be great.
I think HtS is null at best.
Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum.
...shit. Am I tunneled on DYH?
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So, we might just have found 2/3 of the scum team.
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On December 05 2015 01:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 01:24 disformation wrote:So, we might just have found 2/3 of the scum team. Yep (= 3 with Trfel.
Still a bit confused about Trfel, but it is possible.
On December 05 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:
Alright leaving work, see you all later (=
cu, later.
Taking a short break. Will be around.
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On December 05 2015 02:40 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 01:19 disformation wrote:
I think HtS is null at best.
Since NM is starting to gain a bunch of townie brownies and I believe that his read on HtS is godtier, HtS has a pretty high chance of flipping scum.
???????????????????????? This seems contradictory?
That was a recap of my last stance on HtS, you know, from the quote you have conveniently removed from my post. :p
So to try to clarify that post:
My last thought on HtS was the first bold part, shown in my quote.
But now I am starting to believe NM, which leaves me to believe the second bold part.
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On December 05 2015 02:50 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 02:44 NocturneMage wrote:On December 05 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote:
And you Rels also agree with me that Trfel is (likely) mafia as well, is there a case on him, and if so, what page? EBWOP - Rels, why is Palmar town? Did anyone here play with Alex in his last Newbie game?
Yes.
I also played with him in NSM13, where he was scum. So if you have a question, please feel free to ask.
Also: super lol @ Palmar =D
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