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Palmar
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On December 04 2015 22:01 Fidei86 wrote: Let's not do NK WIFOM again please. Damdred flipping town proves he was honest, but it does NOT prove he was correct. 100% town palmar based on damdred dead. You can't argue with science bitch. | ||
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On December 04 2015 22:05 Fidei86 wrote: Ugh. Meta reading Rels as town for effort is 100% a guaranteed, tried and tested terrible way to read him. His last couple of scum games he has outposted EVERYBODY. I am only vaguely aware of rels' playstyle. In general, the cases, including the one against me, he built during the night felt unforced and genuine. I have no idea how good he is at not just posting, but actually posting decently, as mafia, but I'm going to roll with it for now. We can always lynch him later. Do you think he should be a prime candidate to be lynched today? because if you don't, then why do you have a problem with me giving him a tentative pass? | ||
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So clearly best player. | ||
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A thing I notice when reading HtS is that she has no aggression and no "agenda". I honestly can't remember if I should think she's mafia for this, but I'll try to explain a bit better. She spends a lot of time and effort "talking about things". She weighs in here, and gives an opinion there, but there is very little "this guy is totally mafia, let's murder him". She's more of a passive observer and commentator than an active participant and instigator. Thing is though, I'm not entirely sure that makes her mafia, I think I recall her being a bit timid in general, but meh. I am going to find the case against her and see what those guys who voted her said. | ||
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a) do you believe my perception of her filter is correct b) do you think it's relevant | ||
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HtS is bland and boring Nocturn is aggressive and sexy ergo: we kill hts over him. I don't think it's even a question. | ||
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You said it best yourself, now we kill hts. | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote: How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes. | ||
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On December 05 2015 18:36 Rels wrote: Palmar hasn't done anything to make me change my read. I obviously don't agree with your take on my case. I think in particular, his total apathy towards the lynch is scum indicative. apathy and being unsure are two very, very different things | ||
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Palmar
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Based on reading HtS and NM yesterday, I'm going to leave my vote on her. I think it's the right call. I won't be here at the deadline (or well... I won't be here from many hours before the deadline until tomorrow), so meh. I'll check my phone and such. If anyone wants my attention for something special just shout, I'll hopefully notice. I still think this is a reasonably good lynch. NM seems kinda towny and he's very sure about HtS, and her entire tone is very very bland as I talked about. I am again more suspicious of fidei and trfel than I was previously, with NM moving into the probably town column. I actually read something FF wrote that made me think he's town too, but since I can't even remember what it was, it can't have been super significant. Still for now this is good enough. I have yet to read FF, DYH and I think some other people, but I'll have to do that during the night or tomorrow. Good luck guys. | ||
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wifom shots are generally bad btw. It's super tempting to do them all the time, but still. | ||
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The rationale is very simple. It's much easier for people to stay on target than it is to step back and reassess. People are generally very biased to their own beliefs. Let's take an example: Disfo is mafia. LS is town Palmartown thinks LS is mafia Damdredtown thinks Disfo is mafia If you make the wifom shot (Palmar) you're hoping the following happens: Damdred steps back, realizes he's been wrong the entire time and Palmar must have gotten shot for being right on LS. Damdred changes his mind and starts thinking LS is mafia If you make the simple shot (Damdred) you're hoping the following happens: Palmar keeps tunneling LS without thinking too much about the NK In general (of course this is very situation specific), you want to bet on people being stubborn and self-righteous. It is extremely difficult to recognize when you've been wrong and reassess, it's one of the hardest things to do in mafia. I don't blame anyone for sticking to their original beliefs when in doubt. | ||
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I find guidelines like these to be extremely helpful to my play as both factions. The thought process of: "I feel like I want to do X in this situation, but the convention says I should do Y. I better be damn sure X is the correct play because there must be a reason Y exists". | ||
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On December 05 2015 22:11 Palmar wrote: I don't know if I'm going to do much more today, it's weekend. Based on reading HtS and NM yesterday, I'm going to leave my vote on her. I think it's the right call. I won't be here at the deadline (or well... I won't be here from many hours before the deadline until tomorrow), so meh. I'll check my phone and such. If anyone wants my attention for something special just shout, I'll hopefully notice. I still think this is a reasonably good lynch. NM seems kinda towny and he's very sure about HtS, and her entire tone is very very bland as I talked about. I am again more suspicious of fidei and trfel than I was previously, with NM moving into the probably town column. I actually read something FF wrote that made me think he's town too, but since I can't even remember what it was, it can't have been super significant. Still for now this is good enough. I have yet to read FF, DYH and I think some other people, but I'll have to do that during the night or tomorrow. Good luck guys. On August 29 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote: Do we do the AFK vote today? it's weekend so don't expect much from me. On May 11 2015 18:56 Palmar wrote: It was weekend and I was hungover. This year is the worst. Everyone is turning 30 so always party and I'm old. On April 11 2015 01:48 Palmar wrote: you know what. It's almost weekend so I'm just gonna fuck off. I'm going to pretend no one is voting me or scumreading me and ignore you all because you've all proven you're bad. So what I'll do instead is at my own leisure, if I feel like it, drop some reads and hard hitting analysis in the thread that will probably go over your tiny heads anyway. No more rage. I'm playing single player mafia now. On January 31 2015 20:35 Palmar wrote: No pls civ and weekend and Super Bowl tomo and various other excuses. On January 31 2015 01:29 Palmar wrote: btw it's weekend (yes I stayed home because of a kid with chickenpox today, so weekend one day early) so don't expect any magic from me today. I still trust _most_ of my reads. On December 01 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote: I don't know. maybe you should wagon me just in case. It's still weekend and I'm not really finding the time to filterdive. I'm always shit on weekends. On August 02 2014 07:15 Palmar wrote: it's weekend btw, so I'm going to be away and stuff. I'm in the middle of nowhere. On July 12 2014 20:59 Palmar wrote: we did it again! started on a weekend! Disclaimer: I'm hungover and will get mad. On September 29 2013 08:04 Palmar wrote: Not now, I seriously thought we were beyond starting games on weekends, it's dumb. But later. On March 23 2014 08:23 Palmar wrote: I don't know if I like it, he was on the correct wagons if I recall correctly, and I vaguely remember him saying something that made me think he's town. I haven't re-checked his filter to confirm that I was basing my townread on him on something good or just a thing. I did point out to him that he was being like far less supertown than in the last game, but I'm not entirely sure that makes him scum because his history suggests that being useful is the anomaly rather than the rule with him. It's weekend, reading filters is hard work. | ||
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