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On December 01 2015 09:08 The Shining wrote: I just need one more person and I have my scum team  This post seals the deal. Everyone get on him | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:11 Damdred wrote: Go on and give your scum team shining or who you have so far. He's just talking about the people who called him scum, thus there is no way he actually believes what he's saying, and therefore he must be mafia. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:17 The Shining wrote: Literally 4 posts at the time of mine but I'm expected to come up with some magic reads other than talking about what was actually posted? That's just trying to discredit me for BS and I know my alignment so what may look good to you, Palmar, is absolutely trash to me. And what looks good about the rest of that post? It's a long post and the only thing I got from it is I'm scum, DYH questioning Rels is towny, but Rels is also towny off of some metaread, and everyone else is null. It's an unneccessarily long and hard to read post for minimal reads when his first paragraph asks for no spam, presumably to make the game easier to read. Counter-intuitive. You gonna play hardball? Okay, we can play hardball. I read the first page, and your posts stood out like a sore thumb. It was very, very obvious you had no intention of actually moving discussion along. You posted for the sake of posting. I didn't expect you to come up with reads, I just expected you to say something that wasn't so clearly just to post. If you were actually genuinely interested in the youtube video thing you talked about you'd have said something more about it. I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:21 The Shining wrote: Because there is no explanation for his read whatsoever. Fidei scumleans me so 3 minutes later, Palmar decides I'm 100% scum with no explanation. Well now you have the explanation so I'm 100% town right? | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:07 The Shining wrote: Ohaithere A Monday start. Why am I here? This post is sort of fine. It's not a good entrance as it's clearly not saying anything, and the Ohaithere feels forced although I'd have to crosscheck other games if Shining just talks like this or if the overly casual mixing of words is actually alignment indicative of him. But I would never call him mafia based on this post. The next post however: On December 01 2015 08:09 The Shining wrote: Why would you post it before listening to it? D= This is what lead me to say "he's 100% mafia". I may be exaggerating a bit, but still. The point is that disformation and Trfel are having what tonally to me feels like a perfectly casual conversation, and Shining decides to sort of... butt in... to the conversation. I don't really mind that if he actually cares, ie: he wants to take part in whatever it is they're talking about. But clearly he has no interest in it, he just butted in to do... nothing? This looks very alarming to me, because that post can easily be seen as made for no other reason than to write a post. Every other post in that page I can tell the motivation behind, but this one I can not. Then the third post, pages later, after fidei and I both called him out on the opening: On December 01 2015 09:08 The Shining wrote: I just need one more person and I have my scum team This is the weakest OMGUS in the universe. First of all, the smiley at the end there shows he doesn't really want to commit to this. The post can be taken both as a joke and serious at the time. Also, no one in the universe actually believes that two people calling someone possibly mafia within 3 minutes somehow makes them a mafia team. It's really, really dumb. I refuse to believe Shining believes what he's saying, so I am assuming it is some sort of a joke, but it doesn't matter, I'm of course gonna keep the pressure on. And here we go: On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. He actually doubles down on that retarded read (ie: both of us are mafia) and tries to legitimize it. It's terrible and it makes him mafia every time. I'm convinced. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:24 Damdred wrote: I thought you had played with palmar before? My bro! | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:32 The Shining wrote: No more like 70% and just really bad and cocky. I can understand where your scumread on me comes from, especially since I OMGUSd you but your defense of Fidei to me looks really suspect when you only share one scumlean on D1 and you shouldn't have any idea what his alignment is if you're town. I'm not fucking defending Fidei you moron, I'm just calling his post fine. In a normal game mafia players make hundreds of "fine" posts. No one is dumb enough to give himself away with every post. What I am doing is questioning your logic in suspecting Fidei, and trying to see if you could possibly believe what you're saying. So far I don't really see it. I've read Fidei's post 5 times now and I just don't understand how saying true shit about you makes him mafia. It's such a leap. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote: Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise. I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote: I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote: Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:59 Damdred wrote: Well what do you think about this Palmar, Something that gives me pause on Trfel. he went through all that time to make that case on me and obviously was here (might of had to leave) but never cared enough to really push anyone talking at the time to comment on it? Don't really care for now. If you want to build a case, build a case. I want to hang the guy who: [list] [*] Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting [*] Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it [*] When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things [*] Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei [*] Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit [/list I'll sleep on it and maybe reconsider, but I think I really wanna kill this guy. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote: And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out. Please show me "all the ad hom". I think I've been entirely reasonable with you. I did get mad when you ignored 3 of my posts to misrepresent my position on fidei despite me explaining it nicely to you at first, and I'm sorry for that. But this suggests there have been multiple instances of me attacking you personally? | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:03 The Shining wrote: Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you? Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow. You only tacked those onto it later. You said it best yourself, here's your reason for scumreading Fidei: On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. This is the reason you initially gave for scumreading Fidei. I have ever since questioned the legitimacy of this logic, and you seem to even agree with by now: On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote: It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance. So let's get the timeline clear: 1) Fidei posts you may be scum 2) I post you're 100% scum 3) you jokingly say we're scum together 4) you explain your scumreads on us, using stuff that by fidei that you now agree was true (still joking???) Like my logic tells me that between "jokingly" calling us scum and then actually fucking explaining your scumread, you would have read Fidei's post, that you wanted to call him scum for, yet all you came up with was the very thing I've been questioning. Your version of the events makes no sense at all. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote: can you at least read my post on the previous page on why I think shining is clear and talk to me about it? No, you're bad. I skimmed it, it reeked of badness. | ||
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