EPTAnd its LS, its obvious he thinks hes dead the way hes went off the rails. It was right at deadline, pretty much confirmed it.
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Damdred
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And its LS, its obvious he thinks hes dead the way hes went off the rails. It was right at deadline, pretty much confirmed it. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Because if not, there's really no reason for me to play. I'd rather not waste my time trying to reread all of that End of Day stuff. | ||
Fecalfeast
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On December 03 2015 08:51 Trfel wrote: Does anyone actually enjoy playing with me any more? Because if not, there's really no reason for me to play. I'd rather not waste my time trying to reread all of that End of Day stuff. I like playing with everyone man what's up? | ||
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Damdred
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 03 2015 08:52 Fecalfeast wrote: I have to make a ton of posts to get my presence acknowledged enough to be told that I'm an idiot.I like playing with everyone man what's up? No one responds to me with just one post. No one listens to me or respects my opinion at all, no one wants to work with me. I feel like I'm off solving the game in my own world, which is no fun at all. And my entire mafia playstyle/theory is based on collaboration... | ||
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Fecalfeast
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On December 03 2015 08:53 Trfel wrote: I have to make a ton of posts to get my presence acknowledged enough to be told that I'm an idiot. No one responds to me with just one post. No one listens to me or respects my opinion at all, no one wants to work with me. I feel like I'm off solving the game in my own world, which is no fun at all. And my entire mafia playstyle/theory is based on collaboration... I've played in a bunch of games with you and never had a problem and never BMd you that I can remember. We even rolled scum together once and won that game with DarthPunk. The only reason I'm questioning you is to get a better grasp on your read progression and whether I can see town motivation behind it. It's a part of playing the game. Like objectively, you went from your 100% scumread MD onto LS after having him as a townlean. But I looked in your filter and you were adamant about staying on Moosy until LS made those weird posts about lynching MD cuz he's scum but only voting him to save himself. But you switched after that, not before that, which makes me think you really did believe that LS was scum because of it. And afterwards the language you use(I can't see that post coming from town) but he was a townlean throughout minus that post felt off but the willingness to engage Damdred to try and see what Damdred is seeing about LS being locktown feels like it could come from town reconsidering a read. I just don't understand why you're feeling so disheartened and down. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On December 01 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote: Wait a second, disformation... You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? Not a bad point on disform at face value but if disform wasn't sure of his play before and has since learned that constructed posts are scummy, what's the problem calling out something he has learned to be generally scummy? On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote: Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts. Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. Now that day 1 is over and his pass expired, what is your opinion of shining? Keeping in mind he was a main instigator of the final kush switch. On December 02 2015 02:40 Trfel wrote: Off to class for a while. Town lean on disformation. Would really appreciate answers from LightningStrike and Damdred, questions asked previously. I'm not reading in context, what changed your mind from your earlier suspicions? On December 03 2015 03:17 Trfel wrote: I'm going to eat lunch, I'll get to Rels and Fidei86 after. Fidei86 is probably an okay lynch, but I need to read his filter first. Putting off reading Damdred until he answers my question, it would help me to read him greatly. Otherwise, I could lynch MoosyDoosy today. I don't want to lynch Onegu today for stupid reasons. Why was fidei a good lynch before you read his filter? What is your opinion on him now? EoD Your switch from moose to LS seemed a little off to me as I read it from outside the game. You even said On December 03 2015 04:18 Trfel wrote: I was thinking about it over lunch. MoosyDoosy is nearly guaranteed scum. There's everything you could ask for except for baby seals. Voting for MoosyDoosy. You should, too. So LS making one inconsistency means that moose, who you think could claim mafia and still be just as scummy, is no longer a better lynch than LS? Can you run me through that? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 03 2015 09:04 The Shining wrote: I still think I caught scum and everyone just ignored me. No one told me why I was wrong, they just said that they either disagreed or I was stupid, or both.I've played in a bunch of games with you and never had a problem and never BMd you that I can remember. We even rolled scum together once and won that game with DarthPunk. The only reason I'm questioning you is to get a better grasp on your read progression and whether I can see town motivation behind it. It's a part of playing the game. Like objectively, you went from your 100% scumread MD onto LS after having him as a townlean. But I looked in your filter and you were adamant about staying on Moosy until LS made those weird posts about lynching MD cuz he's scum but only voting him to save himself. But you switched after that, not before that, which makes me think you really did believe that LS was scum because of it. And afterwards the language you use(I can't see that post coming from town) but he was a townlean throughout minus that post felt off but the willingness to engage Damdred to try and see what Damdred is seeing about LS being locktown feels like it could come from town reconsidering a read. I just don't understand why you're feeling so disheartened and down. Everyone instead decided to lynch my townread, and call me extremely suspicious and stupid for what I think are awful reasons. I have yet to decide if that was mafia motivated or not. When I commented on this, I was basically told that I'm horrible and it's all my fault. Throughout the game, I've had an awful time trying to get questions answered and trying to talk to people. It feels basically impossible. Whether I'm asking them to explain something they said that I'm struggling to understand or if I'm asking them what they think about my reads. Of course I'm miserable. | ||
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Trfel
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My preferred lynch was always MoosyDoosy, and I was going to keep my vote on him as protest assuming that it didn't matter. When the lynch started shifting from MoosyDoosy to kushm4sta, LightningStrike made two posts that I thought nearly confirmed him as mafia. I didn't have a read on kushm4sta, and I decided that it was more likely that I was stupid and wrong on LightningStrike, so I changed my vote to lynch him instead of kushm4sta. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On December 03 2015 09:21 Trfel wrote: MoosyDoosy wasn't being lynched at End of Day. The lynch was between LightningStrike and kushm4sta. My preferred lynch was always MoosyDoosy, and I was going to keep my vote on him as protest assuming that it didn't matter. When the lynch started shifting from MoosyDoosy to kushm4sta, LightningStrike made two posts that I thought nearly confirmed him as mafia. I didn't have a read on kushm4sta, and I decided that it was more likely that I was stupid and wrong on LightningStrike, so I changed my vote to lynch him instead of kushm4sta. And sorry I closed your filter before the very end did you comment on the 'confirmed town' thing? What do you make of it? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 03 2015 09:16 Fecalfeast wrote: As for the rest of your questions:Not a bad point on disform at face value but if disform wasn't sure of his play before and has since learned that constructed posts are scummy, what's the problem calling out something he has learned to be generally scummy? Now that day 1 is over and his pass expired, what is your opinion of shining? Keeping in mind he was a main instigator of the final kush switch. I'm not reading in context, what changed your mind from your earlier suspicions? Why was fidei a good lynch before you read his filter? What is your opinion on him now? EoD Your switch from moose to LS seemed a little off to me as I read it from outside the game. You even said So LS making one inconsistency means that moose, who you think could claim mafia and still be just as scummy, is no longer a better lynch than LS? Can you run me through that? My thinking was that if disformation was town in the game, then he knows that that argument doesn't make sense, so he shouldn't be applying it. In general I was trying to look at his thought process, though. When he explained it, I realized that he wasn't using "constructed" as a scum tell, but to refer to posts that were created pre-game. He was actually approaching it from the other mindset, saying that Damdred's post seemed towny but was NAI if it was created pre role pm. This seemed like an unexpected take to me, and a bit towny. I didn't pay much attention in the final hour of the day, so I don't really know about The Shining. His completely ignoring my arguments and scumreading me with unflipped association to the point that I should be a counterwagon felt really really horrible, but I'm not sure if that makes him mafia. I liked the points about his Day 1 activity, however he was kind of forced to do that as mafia if he wanted to survive. Then the only question is if he could have that much motivation to play as mafia, and I think that the answer is possibly. I really want to look at how his reads changed between his two series of posts, and see what the reasoning and thought process for those changes are. Right now, I don't have thoughts. Third question was answered above XD Those weren't suspicions, but trying to figure things out. I never got to Fidei86's filter, I was confident in MoosyDoosy being scum. I was too frustrated before I read his filter. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On December 03 2015 09:23 Fecalfeast wrote: You mean LightningStrike being confirmed town?And sorry I closed your filter before the very end did you comment on the 'confirmed town' thing? What do you make of it? I don't think he's confirmed town, if someone was coaching him to just yell as much as possible in the scum QT I think that LightningStrike might play like that as town. However, given that I think the rest of his play was reasonably towny, he's a solid town read. Right now I'm most suspicious of Damdred, NocturneMage/MoosyDoosy, The Shining, Fidei86, and Rels (in no particular order). There's been a lot that happened since I last did serious analysis, though. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
When did you see Damdred's post about the game setup? As in, how long did you spend writing your first post? And, had you read/analyzed the game setup before you read Damdred's post? Off for a while. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On December 03 2015 09:31 Trfel wrote: As for the rest of your questions: My thinking was that if disformation was town in the game, then he knows that that argument doesn't make sense, so he shouldn't be applying it. In general I was trying to look at his thought process, though. When he explained it, I realized that he wasn't using "constructed" as a scum tell, but to refer to posts that were created pre-game. He was actually approaching it from the other mindset, saying that Damdred's post seemed towny but was NAI if it was created pre role pm. This seemed like an unexpected take to me, and a bit towny. I didn't pay much attention in the final hour of the day, so I don't really know about The Shining. His completely ignoring my arguments and scumreading me with unflipped association to the point that I should be a counterwagon felt really really horrible, but I'm not sure if that makes him mafia. I liked the points about his Day 1 activity, however he was kind of forced to do that as mafia if he wanted to survive. Then the only question is if he could have that much motivation to play as mafia, and I think that the answer is possibly. I really want to look at how his reads changed between his two series of posts, and see what the reasoning and thought process for those changes are. Right now, I don't have thoughts. Third question was answered above XD Those weren't suspicions, but trying to figure things out. I never got to Fidei86's filter, I was confident in MoosyDoosy being scum. I was too frustrated before I read his filter. Lol wtf? I didn't ignore your arguments, I went and read MDs filter and told you as much and said I couldn't see where or why you were 100% sold on him being scum. His filter was bad but having played with Moosy before, its unfortunate but I could see the uselessness coming from either alignment. The rest of your stuff was a tone/metaread on him and a couple of people chalked it up to a policy lynch, which I'm not a real fan of. And where did I scumread you for unflipped association? This is a clear misrepresentation of what I said. I never said you should be a counter wagon and when Palmar asked me to case you, I said I couldn't because it was a gutread, weak and based on similarities to your last scum game. That's where the scumread came from, it had nothing to do with any association. And it didn't feel stronger than the points Damdred made on LS or the bad switches from kush and DYH. So when did I push you as a counter wagon? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Right now I'm most suspicious of Damdred, NocturneMage/MoosyDoosy, The Shining, Fidei86, and Rels (in no particular order). There's been a lot that happened since I last did serious analysis, though. this is a really really strange list of people. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Town reads on myself, trfel, and fid. Scum reads on Moosy and HtS. Convinced to lynch LS over Moosy. Seems pretty suspicious of Rels (#240 & #547) but doesn't really push him. Doesn't townread Palmar like many of us have (myself included). I think it is fair to say that he was at least townie-null on Damdred since it is Damdred's push on LS that got him to change his vote. - Conclusion: I need to reread HtS with the new knowledge of Kush and LS (I agree that the deadline post makes him very, very likely town). | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
I've not read dick all or followed the game for d1 quite yet, but I'm VT and I'm ready to fuck up some dirty dirty scummers. reading from end of cycle, I'm pretty suspicious of trfel again (I say again because he was scum the last game) but that's mainly because of how he played last game. of course he'd push moosydoosy, he's unreadable as fuck as either alignment. same desperation emotions when no one is listening to him. unless he does this as town. cool story bro, try harder because I'm not scum. | ||
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