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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 03 2015 23:15 GMT
#1002
Also I'm not particularly digging Palmar, a lot of his reads seem to be coming out of nowhere. or rather except for his first case where he's tunnelling Shining it seemed like to me he was driving things beyond reason. I just can't follow him in general.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 03 2015 23:26 GMT
#1006
afk 30 mins
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:00 GMT
#1029
On December 04 2015 08:39 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm not scum. One thing I was thinking is that I actually pinged Dani out a while ago for the same sort of thing Alex is saying now. That's not to say that scum can't bus a little ... Obviously I didn't push Dani that hard. But if Alex agreed with my reasoning, surely it makes me unlikely to be her scum buddy?

Also if I was scum I would 100% have shot Dani. Gameplay regardless, scum Fidei shoots HTS n1 every game. Every time. So there's that.


No. This is false. Soft pushing is an indicator that you are likely mafia if/when she flips. You didn't go anywhere. She is my first priority but you're next after her

Also last point is false, you endgamed her once, so no you didn't. That's a terrible metric anyhow as nightkills are generally team decisions.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:03 GMT
#1031
I also don't like Trfels turning around on this either.

What the hell are we using WIFOM arguments for?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:04 GMT
#1032
On December 04 2015 09:03 DoYouHas wrote:
BTW, this is the second time everyone ends up agreeing with me and I'm still on most of the scumlists. -_-


I'm not scumreading you. :/
I can't speak for everyone else.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:10 GMT
#1035
On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM.


The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped.

The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it.


I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her.

This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle.

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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:15 GMT
#1040
Also people making the argument that she is town because she is tryharding, just no. Hell no.

Daniele plays to win as either alignment. Period. She has been sick before and has fought for wincon as either alignment. As town, as mafia, as third party, end of.

Her first mafia game, she passed out d1 (not playing mafia but for other reasons), and went on to carry the scumteam.
Her second mafia game, she got food poisoning d1 and her team won after she was able to get a few people lynched.
In Personality Mafia (town), she had to take breaks during end of cycle trying to get her scumreads off, and she did, she was killed night 1, but she got off some great reads that resulted in the subsequent deaths of those she was scumreading.
In her second town game - Carol - she was jailkeeper and she had a lot of real life issues that game. She brought home the game with a well timed claim despite the mafia tryharding to get her mislynched.

Don't townread anyone regardless of anything happening out of game to them.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:19 GMT
#1042
On December 04 2015 08:59 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM.


The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped.

The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it.

Heh, that actually makes a lot more sense than my point. Damn. What was HTS' read of Kush before EOD *goes to filter*


She was scumreading him, I went to that too, they were both scumreading each other. In theory, the move doesn't look bad, because she can always say that she was going to vote a scumread. But see, that's the thing. it's because kush is scumreading her, and she eliminates a thread. She looks good, and escapes culpability (is that a word?)
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:20 GMT
#1043
EBWOP - She eliminates a threat.

fuck it I don't think culpability is a word, but I meant to say she escapes potential blame for the mislynch.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:21 GMT
#1046
On December 04 2015 09:17 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM.


The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped.

The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it.


I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her.

This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle.



One thing I did find interesting about her switch from LS to kush was her pinning it on me. Arguably yes, I was the one who started that shenanny onto kush but I wasn't the first one to bring it up. Fidei was. But when she did it, she posted "Done, Shining" as if to absolve herself of a potential ML and pin it on me, when Fidei suggested it first. Why didn't she(or anyone else, for that matter) refer to Fidei instead of me during that shenanny? I'll have to go reread EoD now, too.


Because she and Fidei are both scum?

Alright, seriously I didn't even catch that, but that lends more credibility to a Fidei/HTS scumteam.

I am really liking this now.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:31 GMT
#1058
On December 04 2015 09:21 Fidei86 wrote:
Alex I have two questions for you. One of them is unfair, but I'll let you beat me at RL Mafia to make it up to you.

1. What is your case on Dani? Because I personally find it extremely weird that you come into the thread with a "100% Dani is Mafia" read, but don't really flesh it out. The first thing you said substantively was basically copied from someone else. In Resistance V your read on her was spot on, and it was quick and to the point. Ditto on your reads when we played together in Newbie - the Fidei throw edition. The more you go on, the more it sort of seems like you're trying to get her lynched because she might correctly read you.

2. I don't think it's likely that Dani would intentionally play up being ill to win a game. She has certainly liberally sprinkled Og knowledge in game before. But here it seems like pretty much every other post she makes references it. I really hope she gets well soon (<3) but is it possible she is subconsciously playing it up to win sympathy?


Regarding (1) I did not have a read on her, but when I entered the thread, it was RIGHT AFTER DYH posted his thing on Kush. When I saw that, the first thing that leapt to my mind was her scumgames, and that gave me the first clue, because nearly every time she tries to eliminate in some way someone who knows her well, or could get her down late game or whatever, she does a sneaky job of trying to eliminate them. I did not have a read on her.

My case was based on four things - meta, which I just described. To sum up the personality argument, she is a quant-type and very analytical person. That was lacking in some of her decision making, even with the shallower stuff you might see some sort of pro/con type comparison, the motives I also explained I think in my last two posts and the voting part was her vote on kush who would be more of a threat to her than LS as he called her out most blatantly day 1.

(2) No. She has made a lot of RL excuses before, and Resistance it was work related. She was abroad. She does not lie about whatever she is doing and I would argue what she is dealing with right now is bad enough I am a little surprised she hasn't left the game, but I think I can fathom to what extent why she hasn't left the game and it's not because of her alignment or her status in this game period.

I'll give you a hint, she is a long-distance runner. If you know why she is involved in that, she qualified for Boston last April actually, and you can think a modicum outside the box, you might be able to understand what I am referencing to.

I do not want to get too personal with this, and I strongly suggest you talk to her when you play dota with her because what she is dealing with right now is really really terrible. This is the worst it has been in the last three years.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:33 GMT
#1060
On December 04 2015 09:24 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 04 2015 08:55 DoYouHas wrote:
On December 04 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
I actually think an LS Dani team makes a hell of a lot of sense here. LS has given us no reason post lynch to think he's anything other than town (deadline thing is terrible). Dani is in the thread desperately trying to open the door to his non-lynch, for no apparent reason, and despite the fact SHE IS VOTING FOR HIM.


The is a bad association, not just because they are unflipped.

The problem with HtS's EoD isn't what you are saying here. The problem is that her sentiment and action don't match. Her sentiment is that she has major doubts that the lynch is a good one. Her action is to stay on the wagon when she has plenty of reasons, based on her own reads, to go for another lynch on me, kush, or moosy. This is positioning for a townflip while doing nothing substantial to stop it.


I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her.

This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle.



I feel like we are arguing semantics but I want to be right about this.

-She does have alternative scumreads as well as a perfectly good policy lynch in moosy as options.
-It is in her best interest to lynch him, because she was positioning for a townflip
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On December 03 2015 07:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining - checking the Drams filter then. I think he was in school at that time so that should normalise for his being afk.

.....and this is why I stated he had 30 minutes to talk to us. Or whatever I said, it's more than enough time to discuss and run an alternate lynch. He does freak out at the slightest bit of pressure and he claims prematurely when he's blue, here he claimed VT though.

Paraphrasing, "I'm giving him plenty of time to convince me otherwise, not my fault, I'm reasonable with the person I'm lynching"


She would have positioned for a townflip either way....so you are still right.

I'm not fighting you at all DYH, but if you are so convinced she's mafia, why don't you vote her with me?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:34 GMT
#1061
On December 04 2015 09:33 Trfel wrote:
Just realized, NocturneMage would definitely bus Half the Sky here.

So yeah, I really don't know about NocturneMage but for now I think that lynching Half the Sky is better.


Are you out of your bloody mind?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:34 GMT
#1063
Okay seriously, go ahead and lynch me. I truly don't give a fuck.
Just allow me to find the other two mafia first before you kill me.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:37 GMT
#1067
On December 04 2015 09:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay. Happy to take you at your word re 2. Sorry for suggesting it. I really hope she gets well soon, please do pass on all of our regards...<3


You have no idea, I really hope she does too.
Much appreciated James.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:37 GMT
#1068
On December 04 2015 09:36 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 09:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Okay seriously, go ahead and lynch me. I truly don't give a fuck.
Just allow me to find the other two mafia first before you kill me.

Nobody is talking about lynching you. I wanted to probe your thoughts a little bit, because your writing so far has been a little less ... I don't know, maybe dispassionate? Insightful? I just have never seen you go after a lynch with such abandon before. And if you don't like my reasons for pushing you a little bit, then please do scum read me. But hopefully you'll see them for what they are.


That was in response to Trfel, not you. Trfel is either insane or mafia but I'll have some time to figure him out I think.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:46 GMT
#1079
The LS filter is trash but the main argument I'm reading is that could he have intentionally tried that? Someone was saying he was getting coaching from the mafia QT on that shit?

I think he has enough games he could pull it off?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:47 GMT
#1081
On December 04 2015 09:44 Fidei86 wrote:
I've flipped on Trfel btw because he has basically 100% scum read half the game so far, and his super in depth reads change every time, whenever someone makes the most off-hand points.
I'd lynch him last though, 1. because he could be erratic town and 2. I'd feel horrible if we mislynched him, given how much work he has put into the game (that's actually a crap reason, but there we go).


check out newbie 11...he's capable of such as mafia.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:48 GMT
#1086
On December 04 2015 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:
I will admit I do have some WIFOM knowledge but I would of shot Tfrel or HTS if I was scum just because of meta.


HOLY SHIT PEOPLE WILL YOU JUST STOP WITH THE META??!?!?!?!?!?!??
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 04 2015 00:49 GMT
#1087
well to be fair, part of my argument on HTS is based on meta, but at least I'm trying to make what I'm saying sort of relevant to this game.
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