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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 01:46 GMT
#2481
Oh Hai NM.
In case ppl are wondering: I will probably maybe try to post some useful stuff tomorrow afternoon.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 01:49 GMT
#2482
This is a shit way to figure things out but thinking along the lines of how Trfel did for me, there was a reason no one wanted to lynch me and it might be the same way for LS. Reading the latter half of his filter now.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 01:51 GMT
#2483
##unvote

Completely correct, my vote on Shining was pure paranoia. WIFOM, yes, but fair enough, if whoever gets lynched is green and we get to Shining in lylo, then I will have to revisit again.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 01:53 GMT
#2484
It happened once in newbie 14, and I stopped a player (though not the other) that would have otherwise endgamed. Admittedly through a copcheck though, and not because I could actually push that player's lynch.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 01:57 GMT
#2485
Slightly confused here.
What exactly did Trfel do to you? Do you need a puppet to show us where he touched you?
And what happened int newbie 14?
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:01 GMT
#2486
Reading LS's filter....

sigh, I'm just going to trust what Trfel has said on him, that latter game, his game will start to improve. From page 12 onwards, I can see more provocative, or game-solving (maybe not earth shattering mind you) questions between 12-13.

Him sheeping Shining, probably strong townread this late in the game. If disformation flips green, it does make him look terrible. It's unlikely he'd try and do this as the final scummer I would think.

LS looks into me, my only thing with LS is that he suggests I come up with the bus plan because of my relationship with HTS, and not necessarily something where the scum QT is shared. between any two players (translation: he's taking something non-alignment indicative and making it so). The towncred argument is a credible one, but that prior argument if I understand it correctly is not particularly valid.

moving to the votes...
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:02 GMT
#2487
On December 14 2015 10:57 disformation wrote:
Slightly confused here.
What exactly did Trfel do to you? Do you need a puppet to show us where he touched you?
And what happened int newbie 14?


I'm referring to how Trfel wanted to push my lynch for fuck knows how long and then came to the realisation there was a reason that no one wanted to lynch me. and for whatever reason he wasn't sure himself of actually lynching me, and that there was some external factor (in this case FF wanting to have me lynched) that made him realise I was town.

um weren't you in newbie 14?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 14 2015 02:04 GMT
#2488
On December 14 2015 11:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 10:57 disformation wrote:
Slightly confused here.
What exactly did Trfel do to you? Do you need a puppet to show us where he touched you?
And what happened int newbie 14?


I'm referring to how Trfel wanted to push my lynch for fuck knows how long and then came to the realisation there was a reason that no one wanted to lynch me. and for whatever reason he wasn't sure himself of actually lynching me, and that there was some external factor (in this case FF wanting to have me lynched) that made him realise I was town.

um weren't you in newbie 14?


No good sir. I was in NSM 9,10,13 and 17.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:05 GMT
#2489
my mistake, that was 13.

in newbie 14, I replaced in day 1. I took on the cop slot my predecessor left in a very scummy state. I started making honest reads, but I scumread a player that was being near universally townread particularly by the town leaders and that her play was in parallel with how she played voice mafia. But she was doing dick all for the game and my scum reading her got me scumread by the town leaders, one of them not trusting me because I was a replacement.

night 3 I copchecked her. she returned mafia. we lynched her day 4 and she flipped roleblocker. I tried pushing her as scum for at least 1-2 cycles but no one listened, it was only after I screamed redcheck that people listened.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:17 GMT
#2490
reading Shining's final argument against disformation. I can't argue that in any sense. I don't understand the setup talk scumslip but the rest of the argument makes complete sense regarding motivations and interactions from his target's side of the house. as well as the lack of scepticism.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:21 GMT
#2491
On December 09 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Final vote count


Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation
Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels
LightningStrike (1): Fidei86
Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike
Disinformation (1): DoYouHas


Fecalfeast is set to be lynched.


disformation being gone/out on a Friday is not alignment indicative regarding the day 4 votes.

From a scum standpoint on day 3, it's suboptimal for mafia to vote off wagon as it was, and the motive for disformation hammering another vanilla scum stands. The same point argues for Lightning Strike.

For the day 2 lynch on Dani, there were several other players that held doubt (cough, LS, cough) on HTS being scum (Trfel as well until he read the filter, and now we know that was town).

But the day 3 votes against motives I think is more indicative.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 14 2015 02:23 GMT
#2492
On December 14 2015 11:01 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading LS's filter....

sigh, I'm just going to trust what Trfel has said on him, that latter game, his game will start to improve. From page 12 onwards, I can see more provocative, or game-solving (maybe not earth shattering mind you) questions between 12-13.

Him sheeping Shining, probably strong townread this late in the game. If disformation flips green, it does make him look terrible. It's unlikely he'd try and do this as the final scummer I would think.

LS looks into me, my only thing with LS is that he suggests I come up with the bus plan because of my relationship with HTS, and not necessarily something where the scum QT is shared. between any two players (translation: he's taking something non-alignment indicative and making it so). The towncred argument is a credible one, but that prior argument if I understand it correctly is not particularly valid.

moving to the votes...

I was referring to the fact that once you got the role pm and saw you replaced into scum slot and saw her in your team you would come up with that Anyways since you are here can you answer DYH's question to you?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 14 2015 02:24 GMT
#2493
On December 14 2015 11:21 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Final vote count


Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation
Trfel (3): NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, Rels
LightningStrike (1): Fidei86
Fidei86 (1): LightningStrike
Disinformation (1): DoYouHas


Fecalfeast is set to be lynched.


disformation being gone/out on a Friday is not alignment indicative regarding the day 4 votes.

From a scum standpoint on day 3, it's suboptimal for mafia to vote off wagon as it was, and the motive for disformation hammering another vanilla scum stands. The same point argues for Lightning Strike.

For the day 2 lynch on Dani, there were several other players that held doubt (cough, LS, cough) on HTS being scum (Trfel as well until he read the filter, and now we know that was town).

But the day 3 votes against motives I think is more indicative.

Sorry she is a pretty cunning scum player Doesn't help I like her
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:25 GMT
#2494
On December 14 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 11:01 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading LS's filter....

sigh, I'm just going to trust what Trfel has said on him, that latter game, his game will start to improve. From page 12 onwards, I can see more provocative, or game-solving (maybe not earth shattering mind you) questions between 12-13.

Him sheeping Shining, probably strong townread this late in the game. If disformation flips green, it does make him look terrible. It's unlikely he'd try and do this as the final scummer I would think.

LS looks into me, my only thing with LS is that he suggests I come up with the bus plan because of my relationship with HTS, and not necessarily something where the scum QT is shared. between any two players (translation: he's taking something non-alignment indicative and making it so). The towncred argument is a credible one, but that prior argument if I understand it correctly is not particularly valid.

moving to the votes...

I was referring to the fact that once you got the role pm and saw you replaced into scum slot and saw her in your team you would come up with that Anyways since you are here can you answer DYH's question to you?


I am doing just that - deciding between disformation and you - in my series of posts.

I just prefer fleshing things out this way.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 14 2015 02:27 GMT
#2495
On December 14 2015 11:25 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:01 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading LS's filter....

sigh, I'm just going to trust what Trfel has said on him, that latter game, his game will start to improve. From page 12 onwards, I can see more provocative, or game-solving (maybe not earth shattering mind you) questions between 12-13.

Him sheeping Shining, probably strong townread this late in the game. If disformation flips green, it does make him look terrible. It's unlikely he'd try and do this as the final scummer I would think.

LS looks into me, my only thing with LS is that he suggests I come up with the bus plan because of my relationship with HTS, and not necessarily something where the scum QT is shared. between any two players (translation: he's taking something non-alignment indicative and making it so). The towncred argument is a credible one, but that prior argument if I understand it correctly is not particularly valid.

moving to the votes...

I was referring to the fact that once you got the role pm and saw you replaced into scum slot and saw her in your team you would come up with that Anyways since you are here can you answer DYH's question to you?


I am doing just that - deciding between disformation and you - in my series of posts.

I just prefer fleshing things out this way.

If you got any questions towards me feel free to ask me I aint afraid you answer anything.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:27 GMT
#2496
I think what is sealing the deal here is the hesitancy with DYH (who again is at best a 50/50 case and my gut is saying he's town) and me. This I don't care for, from disformation.

But as shit I am with voting analysis, I think the day 3 motives are what indicate him to be the most likely scum.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:29 GMT
#2497
I've voted disformation. If we go to lylo though....well I'm going to pray this won't be the case.

It is well past 2am. I'm off to bed.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:31 GMT
#2498
I mean if we get to mylo with LS/Shining/DYH....deary me. I think it's gg because then I wouldn't be able to figure it out.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 02:34 GMT
#2499
disformation if you are town, you better come up with some solid reasoning (filters/voting/motives/etc) as to who you think is scum and why. Because if post 2498 holds true, town are in serious trouble.

good night.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 13:15 GMT
#2500
On December 14 2015 10:46 disformation wrote:
Oh Hai NM.
In case ppl are wondering: I will probably maybe try to post some useful stuff tomorrow afternoon.


It's 1400 or so where you are......we are still waiting.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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