Haunted Mansion Mini Mafia

On November 24 2015 01:42 Koshi wrote:
Oh and what a dickmove by marv

On November 24 2015 23:58 NocturneMage wrote:
The real question is whether we can trust disformation. He was waffly last game. But he was town, surely we can trust him to be our guide.

Surely, right?

On November 25 2015 07:23 ANickelDrink wrote:
I don't think I understand the point of a smurf if I roll town.

On November 25 2015 07:26 ANickelDrink wrote:
I am fecalfeast. Like I'm sitting here worrying about my typing style and that's just stupid wifom

On November 25 2015 11:43 Chromatically wrote:
GB, what do you think about OO and Sn0's reactions to the sicklucker-FF situation? I think I like OO's reaction the least out of anyone.

I like your point about TicTock too, though.

On November 25 2015 23:58 GlowingBear wrote:


Well but this is not Chrom's argument on OO

On November 26 2015 00:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv can you tell us what do you think of Tictock and OO and comment on what has been brought on both of them?

On November 26 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:


Letter D!!!

I know, Marv. But if I say "someone is scummy because of X", you automatically have an opinion that is either "I agree this is scummy", "I disagree this is scummy" or "it is NAI". Being silent may imply the latter, but it doesn't hurt to explicitly say that in the thead

I always feel compelled to ask you questions, anyway. This is how I play. I try to get people to talk

On November 26 2015 02:10 Chromatically wrote:
I'm totally alright with having a wagon on TicTock.

marv makes me a bit uncomfortable for now but I feel like that will become clearer with time.

On November 26 2015 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Imo we should just lynch marv tbh. Nothing wrong with it. It has been ages since he actually found mafia d1 and got his target lynched.

If we lynch town today and marv did is standard boring poe thingie on that person I wouldnt even be surprised.

I guess we can give him 24 more hours. But everybody should prepare their minds and bodies for a d1 marv lynch.

On November 26 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Why would marv not finding scum day 1 as town make him scum now for being useless and not finding scum?
Also, why would "nothing wrong with it" be good justification for a lynch?

I agree that marv's play has been lazy and unhelpful to town in a way that makes me suspicious, but unlike you I prefer the approach proposed by... (gb i think) that waits until marv has proven himself to not be scumhunting before trying to open up his lynch.

So while I liked your sentiment to an extent (that marv isn't playing townie, not that we lynch him today), I really disliked the way you worded and went about your post. Which is what marv pointed out already, which makes things more confusing.

On November 26 2015 04:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
I detest ur "its obvious enough on its own when i'm maf" defense marv I've lost to ur maf play

On November 26 2015 04:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
?
Koshi "we shud be ready to lynch marv"
marv "don't lynch me its obvious when i'm maf"
?

On November 26 2015 04:40 marvellosity wrote:

ok so i don't need to talk to you anymore, cool

On November 26 2015 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
also u've spent years trying to spread the rumour that u don't post much as maf when i've played with u when u were maf and had top-3 filter

On November 26 2015 04:54 boxerfred wrote:
marv is good, don't kill him. only if he's alive after N2 or so

On November 26 2015 09:09 Koshi wrote:
I actually need to add the fact marv didn't read the thread carefully enough that my dumbish written post was perceived way more offensive than it actually was.

That and he didn't reply to 2 people who called him out.

On November 26 2015 09:25 Koshi wrote:
But I will let go of this tunnel and give marv a total fair chance to get connected to this beautiful game of mafia we are playing here.


but while I do that I want to point out to people that the last game he played, it was a game in which he died N1, but during the day he had many opinions (and all were wrong). Again, I am not saying marv is wrong all the time, I shall say this once, he is probably the best active sane player, but he can be wrong.

On November 26 2015 09:42 Koshi wrote:
Game in which he was mafia, also way more filters than I remember:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?user=marvellosity&page=9

On November 26 2015 10:06 scott31337 wrote:
So there was a huge ass fight last night and I'm going to have to find a new place to live. Long story, but it's why I haven't been here, been stressing. I should be able to catch up in a couple hours though when I get to my friends place.

On November 26 2015 10:07 ANickelDrink wrote:

What do you think of licksucker? He won't respond to me

On November 26 2015 10:10 ANickelDrink wrote:
Oh wait do you mean aligned as mafia

On November 26 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:
you guys said alot of garbage but no one disproved my theory. since no ones cares ill just afk vote ff and be right

On November 26 2015 13:13 scott31337 wrote:


My last one would be the one in the database - It's accurate. NSM IX?

All I have done is roll town since my newbie games.
Is there a reason you thought it was not accurate?

marv: he's readable when he's playing, right now he's toying with his food like a cat to a live mouse, or just fucking about intentionally, remains to be seen,

On November 26 2015 20:19 Tictock wrote:


You are 100% correct.

However I'm not a big fan of coin flipping D1, I'd rather lynch into people who have done some scummy things.

Anyways get yourself some sleep, but I hope you look into some of the other people on that list of yours and see if there aren't better reasons to lynch someone than not being able to read them.

On November 26 2015 22:08 sicklucker wrote:
well im sure ticktock is confirmed town considering how many votes he has already in the most slow and boreing game of all time. people seem to just want to put there vote somewhere and I doubt all of them are town

On November 27 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote:
I've also having a team of chrom/marv/TT in the back of my head since around yesterday but I refrained from posting it for post game cred to avoid chaos. Best course of action is keep calm and lynch TT.

But now that marv pokes my sore butt with his vote I'll join the Koshi revolution if it gets to it.

On November 27 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote:
I've also having a team of chrom/marv/TT in the back of my head since around yesterday but I refrained from posting it for post game cred to avoid chaos. Best course of action is keep calm and lynch TT.

But now that marv pokes my sore butt with his vote I'll join the Koshi revolution if it gets to it.

On November 27 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote:
Not when I'm perfectly fine with lynching TT. The last thing I need is people fighting on multiple fronts when we're headed the right way.

On November 27 2015 00:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmm i'm reasonably content with a 1gu plynch today as well.

TicTock played under pressure, and while i don't see eye to eye with an awful lot of his reads I also didn't pick out any particular scummy bits that would make me determined to lynch him.

Still don't like marv's play today at all.

On November 27 2015 00:42 marvellosity wrote:
here is Vivax's contention, I'm going to try to spell it out in one post.

Vivax thinks Tictock is mafia, apparently. The game is slow, the votes are piling up on Tictock. Apparently Vivax also thinks Chrome and I are mafia with Tictock.

Now with the game plodding along, Vivax wants to "avoid chaos" by mentioning that he thinks Chrome and I are mafia with Tictock. He says the last thing we need is people fighting on multiple fronts.

So plenty of people are voting for Tictock and Vivax thinks that by mentioning possible accomplices, this would create chaos and fighting on multiple fronts in a slow as fuck game that is already voting for his target. This isn't a natural thought process.

Plus the thing I said about dismissing sl's point about the wagon.

Vivax

On November 27 2015 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
You've been downplaying yourself all game and as soon as people even suggested that being defensive like that was a scummy mindset you objected strenuously to any portrayal of it as defensive.

re: Vivax: I don't see whats wrong with "prefferred lynch target is X, i'll hold off on suggesting a complete scumteam until we lynch X". If I wanted to lynch somebody that would be my preference too.

Vivax's reason and read development is weak but I don't see how that makes him scum either.

It's day 1 u gotta lynch somebody etc.

On November 27 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't dislike your case and I may vote Vivax if I can overcome my urge to see if I was right on Tictock

On November 27 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:


Why this has to come from a town sicklucker? In other words, mafia!sicklucker can't do that?
Because I think it's too easy to come up with a theory and don't reevaluate it and refuse to talk about anything else as Mafia

On November 27 2015 01:59 Sn0_Man wrote:

I don't get it
SL says "tictock is town because 5 people would never vote for scum 12h into day 1" which is completely wrong
you say "wow i like SL's point" which reflects poorly on you and doesn't make him townie at all
now ur like "see my point so good"

I just don't get it.

On November 27 2015 02:04 GlowingBear wrote:


Here is my problem:

I don't trust your explanation for your early post. I really think that post was way too scummy.

On the other hand, I like that you gave your thoughts on players.

On the other other hand (I may have three), some of them looked to me like you were try harding just to look contributive and save yourself, like your obvious one thing. You talked about him like he was being the second wagon but he is only being voted by Chrom. It felt like unnecessary to me. So your contributions sound to me like it could be coming from both alignments.

In other words, I see one townie trait on you (the fact that you are contributing)/ NAI posts (your contributions per se)/ and a scummy trait on you (that post)

Plus: you being AFK and coming just now and xontributing just now fits mafis strategy that I've used before. I'm just trying to decide if this is wifom and if I'm tunneled on you for no reason.

I liked the entire case on Vivax. Not being contrivutive and that contradiction marv pointed out. I'm waiting for Vivax to reply

On November 27 2015 02:20 GlowingBear wrote:


Yeah, I get what you say, but... you also understand what I'm talking about, right? It would be more townie if he came back earlier...

Ok marv, you're right, I shouldn't be lynching someone who is at least contributing.

On November 27 2015 02:29 Chromatically wrote:
I like the case on Vivax. Particularly this post felt super off:

In a D1 like this, who on earth is worried about "fighting on multiple fronts" when not much is going on?

I also didn't like how he also doesn't reconsider (or at least acknowledge) TT in light of his recent posting at all. It doesn't feel like he's interested in figuring out this game at all esp. compared to last game.

On November 27 2015 02:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
I continue to ignore your self-proclaimed meta that only serves how you wish to be seen and is not particularly related to reality

On November 27 2015 02:49 Vivax wrote:
We can do this the other way, you lynch TT and if he's town you lynch me, except that I don't leave myself outs like marv does.

On November 27 2015 02:53 Vivax wrote:


As if his effort was justification for townreading him. Apparently y'all think a mafia won't just put in the extra bit of effort when getting lynched. The before/after is pretty obvious in TT's case.

On November 27 2015 02:56 Vivax wrote:


For starters, keep doing his thing instead of going off into 100 directions like a firecracker.

On November 27 2015 02:56 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm actually one of few people that have the balls to do so. Marv can confirm.

On November 27 2015 05:19 Koshi wrote:

Where is the Vivax fucking lynch coming from? He pissed of marv and everybody sucking marv his dick? Why is Vivax being lynched? He made enough posts by now.

On November 27 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
please vote Tictock

Marv, if Tictock is town I promise I'll lynch Vivax on day2. Please trust me.

On November 27 2015 06:08 Sn0_Man wrote:
day 1 is so hard le sigh
hows marv just trying so hard to absolve himself of all responsibility
GB is so nice and sheepable he makes me just wanna lynch tictock

On November 27 2015 05:53 Koshi wrote:
Marv,

Is there by any chance a possibility you can write the word: Chromatically

On November 27 2015 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Yeah chrom is not happening. Great.

On November 27 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:


Any cake on the table?

On November 27 2015 06:46 Koshi wrote:

It won't do shit bro. We need to pick between Vivax and TT.

I LITERALLY CANNOT PICK BETWEEN THEM

On November 27 2015 19:27 Tictock wrote:


posting crap like that wont help

Come back after some coffee

On November 27 2015 18:00 sicklucker wrote:
FF is interesting here too he shows up just as vote time. the votes are 4-4 but instead of just jumping on one of the two which any sensible human being would do since people have already tried to get a third wagon going. he wastes his vote...

Like ff must have some opinion on the two players. one must be more town or more mafia in his mind why waste your vote?

On November 27 2015 21:31 GlowingBear wrote:


If TT flips red, I will have a bad time believing this

On November 27 2015 21:58 GlowingBear wrote:


If I got what you said, it's basically too scum to be scum?

Because, marv, it also doesn't make sense as town to be sad that Vivax is getting votes but to vote him anyway for all the reasons I've said + he even said before that TT was a slightly better lynch than others

It is pretty suicidal as Mafia, yes
But it doesn't follow a clear thought process as Town, either.

Is your argument that it is a very suicidal play as Mafia?

On November 27 2015 22:02 GlowingBear wrote:


No.

I remember two games where Onegu hammered a partner in a similar way you did and I hard defended a partner before he got lynched and got away with the too scummy to be scum.

It wouldn't be the first time someone did that

Anyway, no use discussing this

It's kinda hard to believe that you forgot Chrom was on Tictock when I constantly reminded you of this.

On November 27 2015 22:05 GlowingBear wrote:


Alright, alright. I'll roll with this

Although I pretty much understand the bolded, I really think these guys shouldn't be spared or you give Mafia a chance to be scummy without being compromised.

But okay for now

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 27 2015 22:29 Koshi wrote:
btw. would be nice if people follow the game after they died for 1 more phase and give like a big post to try to help.

On November 27 2015 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
But gbs actions near deadline makes him the third scum i will catch

On November 27 2015 22:41 Koshi wrote:

I can read between the lines.

On November 27 2015 23:17 Koshi wrote:
Would be impressive to push mafia agenda this hard though.

On November 28 2015 00:08 Koshi wrote:
Chrom being green is a total joke though. Do you even know how he plays?

On November 28 2015 00:16 sicklucker wrote:
marv i already explained my suspicions. Its part gut feel and part meta since he always puts shit on me as mafia

On November 28 2015 01:07 GlowingBear wrote:


I strongly disagree this time, especially if I consider that TT is Mafia. I've done it before: a scum partner was up for the lynch for a long time and I was trying to push someone else. When I realised that wasn't working, I've pulled this card out. I don't remember if it worked, tho. I don't even remember the game. But I remember it happened.

If Tictock is Mafia then it makes perfect sense that SL tried to distance himself from TT by having weak suspicions on him. When the wagon got real, keep on pushing FF or even Sn0 was a good choice. When none of this works, all he had to do was pulling that card.

This actually reinforces my two scum reads who originally had no association. feels good