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GlowingBear
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On November 27 2015 21:46 marvellosity wrote: Koshi. and no I get your argument. still don't think koshi is mafia though. Do you have a specific reason or just an overall tone? I can't push this unless TT flips red, anyways. | ||
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On November 27 2015 21:41 sicklucker wrote: gb with the slip if hes mafia fyi This makes me feel you're Mafia so so hard. | ||
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On November 27 2015 21:49 marvellosity wrote: like, when Koshi came back to the thread at some point yesterday. If koshi is mafia with Tictock. koshi knows tictock is leading the votes and has a good chance of being lynched. sees a couple of votes on Vivax. expresses some sadness that Vivax has votes. doesn't seem very likely. also Koshi got quite obnoxious about people voting Vivax on the back of what I said. So even though he ended up voting for Vivax, i think it's a really weird way to go about things in the Koshi/TT mafia Vivax town scenario If I got what you said, it's basically too scum to be scum? Because, marv, it also doesn't make sense as town to be sad that Vivax is getting votes but to vote him anyway for all the reasons I've said + he even said before that TT was a slightly better lynch than others It is pretty suicidal as Mafia, yes But it doesn't follow a clear thought process as Town, either. Is your argument that it is a very suicidal play as Mafia? | ||
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On November 27 2015 21:58 Koshi wrote: Koshi will be Koshi bois. But seriously... marv can't be mafia or I will be sad. No. I remember two games where Onegu hammered a partner in a similar way you did and I hard defended a partner before he got lynched and got away with the too scummy to be scum. It wouldn't be the first time someone did that Anyway, no use discussing this It's kinda hard to believe that you forgot Chrom was on Tictock when I constantly reminded you of this. | ||
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On November 27 2015 22:01 marvellosity wrote: what koshi just wrote in his post is right though "it doesn't make sense for either mafia or town so town is more likely" that's very often true as a general heuristic. townies do do silly things all the time. you should know this, you do silly things :p whereas mafia know exactly what's up. mafia koshi knows mafia TT is on the block and mafia koshi knows vivax is town. it's much less explainable how bizarre his actions when he is mafia. because he knows everything already. Alright, alright. I'll roll with this Although I pretty much understand the bolded, I really think these guys shouldn't be spared or you give Mafia a chance to be scummy without being compromised. But okay for now + Show Spoiler + By the way I'm pretty sure I've stopped doing silly things lately  | ||
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On November 27 2015 22:05 marvellosity wrote: but those examples don't compare well to here because we're comparing koshi's whole body of play throughout the 2nd 24 hours but whatever, i don't think i will convince you of this so for now i will stop trying :> Nah, it's okay, I'm not fully convinced but I can understabd where you're coming from and I'll settle this for now, as there are way better targets anyway | ||
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On November 27 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: no i agree with you sometimes scummy things are just, well, scummy i just think in this particular instance, the way he goes about it. like if you read through his filter from when he made his first post yesterday (Detective Vivax is getting votes  ) and onwards - i just find it hard to believe the scenario you're proposing. in this instance.Fair enough | ||
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On November 27 2015 22:35 sicklucker wrote: Like I have been getting these weird senses that gb is mafia and koshi is town all game. I cant really explain the koshi one because hes an idiot but gb has been so negative and quick to scumread me for small things. I have played so much against gbs mafia and he always does this Yeah but no, I have fair reasons to scumread you | ||
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On November 27 2015 22:40 Koshi wrote: I agree gb might be mafia. ROFL Tell me you aren't serious here. | ||
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On November 27 2015 23:15 Koshi wrote: Because you are way to final/certain in your posting already. If I had to give a reason. Too much drama? I can't nail it. I am far from convinced TT is mafia. Could be though. I should really look who voted Vivax and at what times. Chrom/TT scumteam might be possible, Chrom did lose track of his own game (OO) and went for the vote on Vivax while he had TT and marv as suspicious. So dnu. It is possible. It's not something I am going to be hunting any time soon. If TT flips mafia I am coolio, but if he will be able to proof himself coming days there is nothing much left of your play tbh. I've been giving thoughts on mostly of things. The problem is that we don't have much to work with. If you add my filter to marv's, we have almost half of the thread's pages. So I stick to what sounds certain to me. As the game goes by I grow more and more certain Tictock is mafia because now it's clear his contribution was solely to drive the lynch away from him. You don't see him actively talking about people now. The moment the main wagon wasn't him anymore, BAM, he was just around defending himself and not talking about anything else. | ||
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On November 27 2015 23:19 sicklucker wrote: and im not even talknig about now im talking about after my first posts Those were weak early reads that could be proven right or wrong later in the game, and I would reevaluate you if you played differently. As you can see, I didn't push you as hard as I pushed Tictock because my scumread of you wasn't even nearly as strong as the scumread I had on Tictock. Then you keep calling FF scum, scum, scum and suddenly he isn't scum anymore, Sn0 is, so you park his vote no Sn0 and peace out. You come back the next day with some random rant and calling me mafia. I have yet to know your opinion on Tictock. But my main problem with you, SL, is that you are way too focused on yourself, which tend to happen when you're mafia. You keep saying "listen to me", "I don't have the mafia motivation", "you're calling me mafia so you're mafia", when usually, when you're town, you are way more interactive and really trying to convince people your target is mafia. Here you just say random stuff and say "oh since you guys aren't agreeing with me I'll fuck off", which is... too easy to do as mafia. You're following your own agenda rather than actually thinking about the game, and I find that scummy. + every time you're town you are way more inclined to interact with marv, making him read your scumreads or at least bouncing some ideas, and I also don't see you doing it here. | ||
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On November 27 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote: like given i'm at least somewhat town on GB and Koshi, and they are 2 of the only active players i think the last thing town needs is the infighting or we're gonna lose horribly If Koshi is town, I don't think he thought well before posting that he thinks I'm mafia. Anyway, I'm letting it pass because I'd rather lynch TT and sicklucker. | ||
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On November 27 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote: + every time you're town you are way more inclined to interact with marv, making him read your scumreads or at least bouncing some ideas, and I also don't see you doing it here. that's not really true. i have long and varied memories of being ignored by sl :p It's not the experience I had in the games I have being with you and SL... But if you say so, I guess I can't disagree | ||
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marvellosity Sn0_Man Chromatically ANickelDrink Koshi ObviousOne boxerfred scott31337 Onegu sicklucker TicTock This is how bad we are at the moment, because I had a hard time organising the nulls. And when I've been suspicious of Koshi but think that he has sufficient townie traits to put him closer to the town side, you know the game is looking pretty bad. | ||
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On November 28 2015 00:08 Koshi wrote: Chrom being green is a total joke though. Do you even know how he plays? I actually don't. I've played with him once and although his play style is different here, I thought he came pretty well on early day1, enough for me to give him a townread. I'm giving his inactivity a leeway because of Thanksgiving On November 28 2015 00:10 marvellosity wrote: why do you townread me so hard GB? not that i'm complaining but i did just push town off your "mafia" lynch, essentially also not sure i really agree with any of your other townreads... game is gross Marv, out of activity and the way you are approaching the game. I don't know, you feel townie to me. You're the only person actually playing this for real atm. If you're not town then fuck the townies in this game for inactivity. | ||
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On November 26 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote: i'd say this is a town sl post because he suddenly lurches to the opposite conclusion of where his posts had been going up to that point Is this the reason? | ||
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On November 27 2015 02:02 marvellosity wrote: no you wouldn't because you've been misunderstanding or misrepresenting context all game basically sicklucker was questioning Tictock over the course of many posts about his attitude towards FF. Saying that he thought he was scummy (for smurf stuff) and that the read change didn't make sense or was unexplained the clear subtext being sl is suspicious of Tictock at that moment then in the blink of an eye he decides Tictock is town after all because of the wagons and stuff whether his reasoning or not is correct, it was a very natural and sl-type way of going about a read. You don't think SL could do this as mafia? | ||
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On November 28 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote: i think it's a natural and townie way of thinking anyone can do anything. sure he can do it as mafia, but i do find the town suggestion much more plausible I strongly disagree this time, especially if I consider that TT is Mafia. I've done it before: a scum partner was up for the lynch for a long time and I was trying to push someone else. When I realised that wasn't working, I've pulled this card out. I don't remember if it worked, tho. I don't even remember the game. But I remember it happened. If Tictock is Mafia then it makes perfect sense that SL tried to distance himself from TT by having weak suspicions on him. When the wagon got real, keep on pushing FF or even Sn0 was a good choice. When none of this works, all he had to do was pulling that card. This actually reinforces my two scum reads who originally had no association.  feels good | ||
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