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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 20:48 GMT
#1941
I am here and I will be here until 11pm.

Back to filtering Rels.

Kita, I have a null to oh-so-slight townread on Superbia.

But Kita, other than me, who else are you scumreading?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 08 2015 20:55 GMT
#1942
me its all he talks about
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 08 2015 20:58 GMT
#1943
On November 09 2015 05:48 Half the Sky wrote:
I am here and I will be here until 11pm.

Back to filtering Rels.

Kita, I have a null to oh-so-slight townread on Superbia.

But Kita, other than me, who else are you scumreading?


And me, apparently he has a large list of scum reads.
Life?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 08 2015 21:00 GMT
#1944
ya but only my town circle which is more proof hes scum and trying to kill that world
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:02 GMT
#1945
I'm an idiot, I missed the last two lines underneath his long list posts since the colours/bold are what stuck out to me.

Kita, I have a question.

You are aware that sicklucker is tough to follow as either alignment and he contradicts himself a lot as either alignment.
And if I recall correctly as town, you made a similar mistake to mislynch him in JOAT, and I did too (granted I was third party but I was looking to lynch mafia that day) we had trouble figuring him out.

So how do you know you are not making the same mistake again? Why do you think his contradicting himself is mafia motivated? (or do you?)

Or are you also partially scumreading sicklucker on the basis of other things?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 08 2015 21:05 GMT
#1946
Plz im so town it hurts
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 08 2015 21:29 GMT
#1947
On November 09 2015 05:48 Half the Sky wrote:
I am here and I will be here until 11pm.

Back to filtering Rels.

Kita, I have a null to oh-so-slight townread on Superbia.

But Kita, other than me, who else are you scumreading?

Cannot wait =D But can you also answer this ?

On November 08 2015 16:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:55 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 08 2015 05:38 Rels wrote:
On November 08 2015 05:10 Half the Sky wrote:
ebwop

PPA - percentage play analysis

I need to get to a PC but it's not happening until after deadline.

Also people if I'm missing any questions (even yours Rels) flag me please. Even if I never get on a team if people can understand my direction on things, haphazard as it might be at least you'll consider the fact other people might be Mafia. (At least Superbia understood for a second why I'm playing a suboptimal game.)

On November 08 2015 03:33 Rels wrote:
On November 07 2015 22:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Eh, I'm voting any team with Rels down on it. The previous team was definitely better.

Even Rels aside, there should be some discussion on Superbia, whom some people are having doubts on.

Enjoy the concert though.

I could understand you dodging questions when you were working super hard during the week. I can even confirm that is true.
But two days ago, then yesterday, I asked you the same question, and I find it super hard to believe you missed it two times when you're free now.
So, if only to ease me, can you answer ?
On November 07 2015 09:18 Rels wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I know I said sicklucker was the most likely since he was the "least town" but I think especially because the first mission (!!!) failed, it really might be worth our while to tinfoil rayn and Xatalos to make sure we didn't miss anything.

Can you explain this ?
On November 06 2015 18:22 Rels wrote:
On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3

I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.

And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata.

That doesn't make sense. If SL is mafia and "suck it up and pass" the team, then he didn't "suck it up", he voted "yes" to a team with a scum in it. You seem to assume:
- SL is town, since you're wondering whether 2 or 3 mafias voted against it, so it has to be a clean team
- SL is mafia, since he could have suck it up and pass
Or is there another logical explanation for this post ? 'cause I'm not seeing it





So I saw this. I'll be honest, from this I actually cannot tell what you are asking, - I think you are asking me to make sense of why I think SL is sucking it up? I'll start by clarifying my statement.

The "smart enough to suck it up and pass" comment was in relation to the fact that in RL resistance most three-person teams (mission 1) pass, based on my previous assumption that that three-person team was town and even with the conventional strategy that a scum would not want to give themselves away by failing the first mission.

A scum SL (or scum anyone) would in theory be reluctant to pass that team.

That comment was made BEFORE the mission failed. See page 67 of the game, and this was as Xatalos was talking about the no votes being scum votes. And that I was townreading xata/rayn at the time and making the assumption at that time the "least town" in sicklucker was mafia. (Posts 1334/1336)

That was not in any way related to post-mission failure. If you read the comment in context on page 67, it should make more sense.

That's why it sucks to answer a question so long after the question was made just after your list, during the phase before the failure reveal, whatever the name of the the phase is.
So I reformulate: if sl is mafia in this theory, why do you say at least 2 mafias were against the vote ?

Here is the post in question:
On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3

I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.

And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata.

How can you consider 2 mafia voting against the team AND SL being mafia, so the team being infiltrated, in the same sentence ? OK that's two sentences but I have no idea what the word is for that.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 08 2015 21:30 GMT
#1948
Going to sleep very soon, see you later folks (=
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:34 GMT
#1949
Rels I mentioned disassociation to Xatalos earlier when he asked me a similar question but in case you think that's too tinfoily it's possible they might have had the room to do that if they could tell from others reads a flawed team would go through.

And no I think I understood what you were trying to ask.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 08 2015 21:40 GMT
#1950
On November 09 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels I mentioned disassociation to Xatalos earlier when he asked me a similar question but in case you think that's too tinfoily it's possible they might have had the room to do that if they could tell from others reads a flawed team would go through.

And no I think I understood what you were trying to ask.

OK basically you're saying that's possible two mafias are voting no because they know two townies that are not on the team will vote YES, so they can disassociate; in this case, you're saying they knew you and Arta would vote YES.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:40 GMT
#1951
On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town?

I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before.


(I'm going to assume you actually meant "mafia" by the bolded and that was a mistake)

On November 03 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not?

He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds.


Why do you think he's a town lean? Do you still want him to not be part of the first team?

Cause he's attacking people over logical things, has hard townreads and is trying to solve the game as a whole. That's his town meta. I'm OK with him being part of the first team.


Regarding your read progression on rayn, how were you sure day 1 that the above was town indicative (and not mafia) and how were you sure enough that "hard townreads" however they were, weren't mafia indicative? It is quite possible IMO for mafia to have hard townreads.

(Now I realise you said meta, but how do you know - and especially for a player of that calibre - he's not breaking meta?)

Post references - 448/496. (pages 5-6 of your filter)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:41 GMT
#1952
On November 09 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels I mentioned disassociation to Xatalos earlier when he asked me a similar question but in case you think that's too tinfoily it's possible they might have had the room to do that if they could tell from others reads a flawed team would go through.

And no I think I understood what you were trying to ask.

OK basically you're saying that's possible two mafias are voting no because they know two townies that are not on the team will vote YES, so they can disassociate; in this case, you're saying they knew you and Arta would vote YES.


This is correct. I won't speak for Artanis but I thought I was pretty clear where I stood with who and how I'd vote certain teams. I mentioned at least twice this game (not sure if it was before or after the second mission vote tbh) that I was more concerned about being transparent as well.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:43 GMT
#1953
sicklucker are you here?

You said that Superbia lurking was akin to his town meta? Can you name any other games offhand that this would apply? I remember you said sometime in another game (campus mafia) he played a cancerous game but was he inactive in that game or any other you can remember?

His posting as far as I can see - and with Xatalos discouraging his inclusion day 1 - I am pretty sure he's town. Where are you seeing his inactivity as alignment indicative?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 08 2015 21:43 GMT
#1954
On November 09 2015 06:40 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town?

I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before.


(I'm going to assume you actually meant "mafia" by the bolded and that was a mistake)

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not?

He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds.


Why do you think he's a town lean? Do you still want him to not be part of the first team?

Cause he's attacking people over logical things, has hard townreads and is trying to solve the game as a whole. That's his town meta. I'm OK with him being part of the first team.


Regarding your read progression on rayn, how were you sure day 1 that the above was town indicative (and not mafia) and how were you sure enough that "hard townreads" however they were, weren't mafia indicative? It is quite possible IMO for mafia to have hard townreads.

(Now I realise you said meta, but how do you know - and especially for a player of that calibre - he's not breaking meta?)

Post references - 448/496. (pages 5-6 of your filter)

'cause that's how he has always played with me as town, and he didn't the one time I played with him as mafia. Everybody said he scum game is good and that one game was an exception though, that's why I was not sure.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:44 GMT
#1955
On November 09 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker are you here?

You said that Superbia lurking was akin to his town meta? Can you name any other games offhand that this would apply? I remember you said sometime in another game (campus mafia) he played a cancerous game but was he inactive in that game or any other you can remember?

His posting as far as I can see - and with Xatalos discouraging his inclusion day 1 - I am pretty sure he's town. Where are you seeing his inactivity as alignment indicative?


EBWOP.

Yikes, the bolded should actually be mafia not town.

You said that Superbia lurking was his mafia meta....etc.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 08 2015 21:44 GMT
#1956
On November 09 2015 06:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
On November 09 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels I mentioned disassociation to Xatalos earlier when he asked me a similar question but in case you think that's too tinfoily it's possible they might have had the room to do that if they could tell from others reads a flawed team would go through.

And no I think I understood what you were trying to ask.

OK basically you're saying that's possible two mafias are voting no because they know two townies that are not on the team will vote YES, so they can disassociate; in this case, you're saying they knew you and Arta would vote YES.


This is correct. I won't speak for Artanis but I thought I was pretty clear where I stood with who and how I'd vote certain teams. I mentioned at least twice this game (not sure if it was before or after the second mission vote tbh) that I was more concerned about being transparent as well.

Yep you were quite explicit about your vote. Not sure Arta was that transparent though. You might want to check that out before suggesting this hypothesis.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 08 2015 21:45 GMT
#1957
On November 09 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker are you here?

You said that Superbia lurking was akin to his town meta? Can you name any other games offhand that this would apply? I remember you said sometime in another game (campus mafia) he played a cancerous game but was he inactive in that game or any other you can remember?

His posting as far as I can see - and with Xatalos discouraging his inclusion day 1 - I am pretty sure he's town. Where are you seeing his inactivity as alignment indicative?

Pretty sure he said it was his scum meta. Like 90% sure.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 08 2015 21:47 GMT
#1958
Alright going to sleep now. Have fun with my filter. (=
Artanis; that's two times you postponed something to talk the day after. You better explain your thought process the minute you come back to the thread after voting is done.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:50 GMT
#1959
On November 09 2015 06:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker are you here?

You said that Superbia lurking was akin to his town meta? Can you name any other games offhand that this would apply? I remember you said sometime in another game (campus mafia) he played a cancerous game but was he inactive in that game or any other you can remember?

His posting as far as I can see - and with Xatalos discouraging his inclusion day 1 - I am pretty sure he's town. Where are you seeing his inactivity as alignment indicative?

Pretty sure he said it was his scum meta. Like 90% sure.


Yeah I know I actually corrected myself (#1955)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 08 2015 21:51 GMT
#1960
On November 09 2015 06:47 Rels wrote:
Alright going to sleep now. Have fun with my filter. (=
Artanis; that's two times you postponed something to talk the day after. You better explain your thought process the minute you come back to the thread after voting is done.


Could it be because he's scumreading you? IDK.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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