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On November 08 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
last game you literally scumread a top townie because they made a really fucking good case on scum. you managed to ignore that case and instead thought the person who made the case is mafia. think for a while.
please.
Except not. She was in the "never scumread her" part at EON1 for exactly that. Then other stuff happened; I definitely didn't scumread her for that case. The case was good; I clearly stated I would have pushed Eversince if scott wasn't so scummy.
And since you're playing the "remember how you sucked in that game" card, think about your play. As town, you always make people mislynch bad townie just because bad = scum for you. Sometimes it's true, and sometimes there is no possible scum motivation behind the play. So think about it: if Shockey is scum, he's playing to lose.
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On November 08 2015 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am not giving you options.
shape up or get scumread.
you'll hear about this post-game if you are town.
If you're town, let's make a bet. The one with the better reads right now wins; the other will have to praise how much of a French resistance god the winner is. Excluding you and me, I think we only completely differ in Shockey / Arta right ?
(hint: the other is you)
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So wait you think... sl/artanis/me/hts is scum?
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On November 08 2015 04:28 Rels wrote:
I think the scum team is HTS / Arta / XX. XX being one of Xata / rayn / SL.
I have a hard time seeing HTS and rayn together; it's possible but unlikely, especially given rayn's view on bussing in this setup. I also have a hard time seeing HTS and Xata together, seeing how HTS just attacked Xata. So SL is the most likely.
The thing is Arta / rayn makes some sense. No hesitation to call the other town; and Artanis accepting a team rayn suggests that contains one of his scumread. If I'm wrong on HTS, the team is rayn / Arta / (Xata or Superbia). The third member is a problem; Xata being scum would mean two scums in the team which is subobtimal; and Superbia voted NO to the damn team.
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On November 08 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels. I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) IT doesn't even matter if the team gets yay'd or not. It forces sicklucker to give actual reads (as now he is just hiding behind "i will nay everything with Xata/rayn in it") and we'll hear something new from Shockeyy unless he wants that team to go on a mission. Basically if i am on the mission two of the people i think are mafia have a bullshit reason to downvote it and continue saying nothing on other people. Hmmmm It seems very risky though. And I don't like the idea of nominating a team I think likely has a spy. Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed. I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm. You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed. Okay, fair enough. I have a concert tonight though so my final team will probably be submitted around like 17:45 GMT (+00:00) unless I read enough on mobile to change my mind by the end of it. ##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Rels, kitaman27, Superbia THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE 1 - unless I missed it, you didn't explain why you thought I was scum 2 - you're nominating a team that you think will fail just because rayn told you ? The only explanation I see is that you're scum trying to pass a failure team, put the blame on me (Haha I told you so!) and on rayn (but rayn told me to do that!).
Can you explain what is the town motivation behind Arta's nomination ?
I also checked #1 and his read evolution on me is not displayed in thread. See my big post last page.
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On November 08 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis why do you want to change the team if you think i am town? Because I think Rels is mafia and you are town. If Rels is mafia why do both of SL and Xatalos say they will vote no? To look better and/or because they scumread Rels of course. Why do they not change their read on Rels based on what i said? Actually Xatalos doesn't even scumread Rels... Or like, he has three other people who are "more likely to be mafia than Rels", yet he STILL wants to downvote the team.
Basically I'm a bit more cautious now that one mission failed already.
It could also be useful to see one or two vote behaviors before sending in the next team. Overall, I'm just less inclined to vote YES immediately.
I guess it's a good thing that you were included on the current mission. I'm still leaning on NO atm since I'm not really confident on kita/Superbia (their main advantage being just voting NO last time). More time should be a good thing as well as seeing how votes go from here. More confident on you than Artanis as well... So maybe your leader phase would have better chances that way.
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Holy Rels walls of text....
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Hm Rels... So your suggested most likely scumteam is HTS/Artanis/SL? How do you townread shockeyy over all of them?
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On November 08 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Rels... So your suggested most likely scumteam is HTS/Artanis/SL? How do you townread shockeyy over all of them?
On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not.
I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D ![[image loading]](http://qc.createdebate.com/img/blog_article_images/disagreement-hierarchy.jpg) Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game. Second, he has this idea of solving the game that guides his posts and votes; trapping one scum with two townies so we can ignore that guy forever. That's obviously not a great idea, since scum doesn't really care about being ignored if he has made a mission failed; but the fact that he is believing it so hard makes him town in my eyes, even though the idea itself is bad.
+ he's part of the NO crew.
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So if I got this right, kita thinks SL was scum out of the last mission and Superbia thinks it's rayn. At least that's where they left off.
Would like to hear overall reads from you both too. Especially kita has been a bit vague with his reads 
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On November 08 2015 06:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Rels... So your suggested most likely scumteam is HTS/Artanis/SL? How do you townread shockeyy over all of them? Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
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You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game. Second, he has this idea of solving the game that guides his posts and votes; trapping one scum with two townies so we can ignore that guy forever. That's obviously not a great idea, since scum doesn't really care about being ignored if he has made a mission failed; but the fact that he is believing it so hard makes him town in my eyes, even though the idea itself is bad. + he's part of the NO crew.
I'll admit that the NO vote makes him townier, but pushing a bad idea? >.> He seems generally pretty clueless so I don't think him pushing me/rayn makes him town especially if we're both town.. That just gives an easy excuse to vote against an all-town team if needed?
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On November 08 2015 06:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 06:34 Rels wrote:On November 08 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Rels... So your suggested most likely scumteam is HTS/Artanis/SL? How do you townread shockeyy over all of them? On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:[quote] Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game. Second, he has this idea of solving the game that guides his posts and votes; trapping one scum with two townies so we can ignore that guy forever. That's obviously not a great idea, since scum doesn't really care about being ignored if he has made a mission failed; but the fact that he is believing it so hard makes him town in my eyes, even though the idea itself is bad. + he's part of the NO crew. I'll admit that the NO vote makes him townier, but pushing a bad idea? >.> He seems generally pretty clueless so I don't think him pushing me/rayn makes him town especially if we're both town.. That just gives an easy excuse to vote against an all-town team if needed?
Wow you're the third person I have this discussion with: Arta, rayn, now you. Coincidence ?
I think his play makes him super unlikely to be part of any team, so it's suicidal => no scum motivation to play like that. I'm like super tired of talking about shockey actually, it's not like he's part of the submited team. What do you think of Arta scumreading me but nominating me in his team ?
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On November 08 2015 06:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 06:40 Xatalos wrote:On November 08 2015 06:34 Rels wrote:On November 08 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Rels... So your suggested most likely scumteam is HTS/Artanis/SL? How do you townread shockeyy over all of them? On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:
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Pretty cool (=
I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game. Second, he has this idea of solving the game that guides his posts and votes; trapping one scum with two townies so we can ignore that guy forever. That's obviously not a great idea, since scum doesn't really care about being ignored if he has made a mission failed; but the fact that he is believing it so hard makes him town in my eyes, even though the idea itself is bad. + he's part of the NO crew. I'll admit that the NO vote makes him townier, but pushing a bad idea? >.> He seems generally pretty clueless so I don't think him pushing me/rayn makes him town especially if we're both town.. That just gives an easy excuse to vote against an all-town team if needed? Wow you're the third person I have this discussion with: Arta, rayn, now you. Coincidence ? I think his play makes him super unlikely to be part of any team, so it's suicidal => no scum motivation to play like that. I'm like super tired of talking about shockey actually, it's not like he's part of the submited team. What do you think of Arta scumreading me but nominating me in his team ?
Waaait... I somehow thought the team was still rayn instead of you >.>
This is worse...... Nothing against you personally, I just think rayn is more likely town than you.
It's a bit hard to understand, I agree. Even if you weren't like one of his highest scumreads, he should have still picked rayn there IMO.
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On November 08 2015 05:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Let me see if I can explain in more simple terms.
Town failing first mission means we are doing very badly and generally in most situations most spies (at least in RL) don't have gumption to fail the first mission.
The fact there is a failure and his lack of scepticism is a red flag, sicklucker I feel has an excellent point on assuming too easy of a fall guy. Do you think the least town read person, if scum is going to give himself away like that?
Maybe people aren't understanding me but that is my perspective from having played in RL and the way this game is going, it goes against PPA but this is how townie looking scum win games. You have to look at all angles.
ok that makes sense you can be town
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"maybe if I can get a wagon rolling on rayn he'll be really mad and give up"
Well played
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Oops wrong thread hahahahaha
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Artanis[Xp] has nominated the following team for Mission 2:
Artanis[Xp]
Rels
Kitaman27
Superbia
Please PM your votes to myself and Ticktock. You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 8 November 2015.
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i am voting yes and rels should have no objection. :p
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I am voting yes so the ppl who think i am mafia should vote no.
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EPT
