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On November 04 2015 21:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Work is burying me today (if I'm lucky I'll finish around 2100 today) so quick comments for now.
1 Above team is fine by me. Would vote yes. No issues with any of Xata's explanations on his team selection.
2 I will vote down any team with Rels on it (and almost certainly will be ignoring him as mafia onwards until something to the contrary jumps at me) assuming we are sticking to the conventional approach of nailing the first mission with three town.
3 I passed/scrapped my team to buy more time.
4 Artanis I think you need to re-read my filter. Unless I'm misunderstanding, you had a fear read on me before, not the other way around. my stance on your alignment is null because your RL situation is NAI and I needed more content to re-evaluate you. Seeing as you've posted more content, I'll re-evaluate after work.
5 Regarding the comments on defensiveness my argument is that for someone normally considered a very good town player Rels is scum reading me for things that do not make me Mafia. The basis for his position is actually pretty poor IMO with the caveat he has never played the game so this could explain (if somehow he's actually town) why he's seeing some things the way he is.
There was a point where you said my scum meta is to not post and you seemed to faintly push me with that. I didn't like it.
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Alright that's not a fear read (a fear read to me is a non-read on a player who outplayed as Mafia or a refusal to read someone who is difficult to read in general), which is why I misunderstood, but that last post I see what you mean. You're obviously posting so that's out the window, so the current null read can change depending on what I see.
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On November 02 2015 17:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 10:45 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't think the advantage of removing spy self-nominations would be worth the trade off of dropping the resistance leader success rate in half so I would encourage resistance leaders to not try anything fancy and exclude themselves. Do others agree? I don't think a rule on that would be good. Just vote "no" to the team containing the leader if you don't like the leader.
On November 04 2015 18:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels do you think i am scum?
Also what are the situations where you do not pick yourself into the team as a leader? No; I don't think it's ever a good idea to not pick yourself into the team.
What made you change your mind?
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On November 04 2015 20:52 Xatalos wrote:
Crap... My phone deleted everything I was writing as I went back to look at filters :/ Now I'll just write from the top of my head..
So yeah, right now I think shockeyy is probably scum (especially if he didn't realize that the votes would be public like sicklucker said..). The remaining scum should be one of HTS/Kita (explained before) and one of Rels/Superbia/Artanis. Tbh Rels hasn't seemed too bad lately considering his constant activity and engagement, while Superbia and Artanis have basically continued semi-lurking for a long time now. Not really confident who there is scum, but that should be resolved as the game progresses.
So overall, not really confident in attempting an all-scum team right now. Probably best just to go with the safe plan of me, rayn and.. sicklucker? He hasn't really done much besides the weird OMGUS on me, but just with PoE, the point about shockeyy and overall his "I don't give a fuck" attitude seem more likely from town IMO. Tentatively:
##Nominate Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker
(That should work?)
I'll be online only very sporadically for a while, but please comment.
Xata is not reading thread confirmed by this post. I'm in my office today, so I won't be posting a lot.
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kitaman27
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On November 04 2015 13:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What? I knew they would be public and I did say any team that went ahead that wasn't xata rayn would be fine by me. I don't get what makes me look bad by voting yes?...
Out of the eight other players, wasn't rayn the one you were most suspicious of at that point? Why pass a rayn only team or a xata only team, but not a rayn + xata team?
Is everyone else really trustworthy enough that you'd be willing to pass 77 out of 84 possible combinations?
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On November 04 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:
BTW I think kita / shockey / me is a clean team.
The mentality behind rayn's proposal of this team is super twisted though.
What does this mean?
If this doesn't mean you think i am mafia then why do you say this in the first place?
Also why do you think i am town, last time i asked you were not sure if i am town. After that you made a post where you said "mafia could easily bus however much they want to, or not" and you have basically questioned everything i have said since.
Why does that strengthen your townread on me? Or this like a shockeyy read where "i didn't actually say that so i can change my opinion if i want to based on the situation"?
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Also i will get back to your post kitaman, it will take some time though. I read the thread on my phone last night but i i don't remember much of it. 
Woke up just a while ago so i need to eat something first.
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kitaman27
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On November 04 2015 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am actually quite sure Artanis/SL are both town. Could you explain these reads more? Also, do you have any thoughts now that I shared the reads you asked for?
Yeah i do. But you have to wait until i get home since i am out with friends and i hate posting on phone.[/QUOTE]
Now a good time?
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kitaman27
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On November 04 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Also i will get back to your post kitaman, it will take some time though. I read the thread on my phone last night but i i don't remember much of it. Woke up just a while ago so i need to eat something first.
ninja'd. heh k
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On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/l8XDS/c5b4b0ac75.png) Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose.
That is awesome! Thanks for that, that will be useful later. You're probably town for this effort too.
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On November 04 2015 20:52 Xatalos wrote:
Crap... My phone deleted everything I was writing as I went back to look at filters :/ Now I'll just write from the top of my head..
So yeah, right now I think shockeyy is probably scum (especially if he didn't realize that the votes would be public like sicklucker said..). The remaining scum should be one of HTS/Kita (explained before) and one of Rels/Superbia/Artanis. Tbh Rels hasn't seemed too bad lately considering his constant activity and engagement, while Superbia and Artanis have basically continued semi-lurking for a long time now. Not really confident who there is scum, but that should be resolved as the game progresses.
So overall, not really confident in attempting an all-scum team right now. Probably best just to go with the safe plan of me, rayn and.. sicklucker? He hasn't really done much besides the weird OMGUS on me, but just with PoE, the point about shockeyy and overall his "I don't give a fuck" attitude seem more likely from town IMO. Tentatively:
##Nominate Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker
(That should work?)
I'll be online only very sporadically for a while, but please comment.
Still following the thread sentiment I see. When I bring up stuff on HTS, you say "mm maybe she's scum." When SL asks to be in the team, you agree and roll with it. I'm not seeing SL is town or scum; but the way you're playing is super scummy.
Alright it's time to roll out the meta analysis on you. Will do this tonight when I have more time.
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On November 04 2015 21:02 sicklucker wrote:
meh I think I have one of the strongest reasons to town read him in my life
The "no-OMGUS" stuff ?
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kitaman27
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On November 04 2015 23:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose. That is awesome! Thanks for that, that will be useful later. You're probably town for this effort too.
Even though the last game he is referring to with this chart was how he tricked people to trust him as mafia?
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On November 04 2015 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 17:30 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 10:45 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't think the advantage of removing spy self-nominations would be worth the trade off of dropping the resistance leader success rate in half so I would encourage resistance leaders to not try anything fancy and exclude themselves. Do others agree? I don't think a rule on that would be good. Just vote "no" to the team containing the leader if you don't like the leader. Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 18:13 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels do you think i am scum?
Also what are the situations where you do not pick yourself into the team as a leader? No; I don't think it's ever a good idea to not pick yourself into the team. What made you change your mind?
I'm saying the same things here. I agreed with kita we shouldn't obligate leaders to not elect themselves to counter scums electing themselves.
Now will you answer my request pretty please ?
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I would encourage resistance leaders to not try anything fancy and exclude themselves. Do others agree?
You literally said:
I DISAGREE
What am i missing? OR am i just that terrible at english?
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On November 02 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or like if you were for so me reason you said something super complicatedly instead of just sayinbg "i agree / disagree". I disagree.
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On November 04 2015 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:
BTW I think kita / shockey / me is a clean team.
The mentality behind rayn's proposal of this team is super twisted though. What does this mean? If this doesn't mean you think i am mafia then why do you say this in the first place? Also why do you think i am town, last time i asked you were not sure if i am town. After that you made a post where you said "mafia could easily bus however much they want to, or not" and you have basically questioned everything i have said since. Why does that strengthen your townread on me? Or this like a shockeyy read where "i didn't actually say that so i can change my opinion if i want to based on the situation"?
I say that because in an earlier post I agreed with kita that your proposal is bad. We shouldn't try to make an all-scum team. It doesn't make you scum though, 'cause there is a town motivation to do that.
I think you're town because you're playing like usual.
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On November 04 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or like if you were for so me reason you said something super complicatedly instead of just sayinbg "i agree / disagree". I disagree.
I disagree. p:
You thought it was scummy I said something super complicated, I disagreed. I didn't disagree with any proposition to leaders includind themselves. Alright ?
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On November 04 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 23:42 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Since this worked so well for me last time I'm gonna go and do it again. Reads of X on Y below: Things of note after I went through the filters: -Superbia doesn't have many opinions at all. I don't like it. He was honed into one thing and one thing alone for a while and didn't really come to anything from it. -I actually came off with a pretty strong townread on sl from it, which I was surprised by. He seems very open and aggressive in his posting which I didn't get from him when he was scum. Seems to actually be trying to do stuff. -Surprised so many people scumread Rels still. He seems really active to me and pushing things. Can people explain this? -Still actually kinda leaning scum on HtS. She seems highly defensive, and in hindsight I still don't really like how she mentioned how I didn't have much time, yet still tried to push a fear read based on not doing much. Also, Rayn should be on whichever next mission. I also find it odd that shockeyy's actually suspicious of him, I'm not sure that's actually a good play as mafia to do but eh. Could be newbie scum I suppose. That is awesome! Thanks for that, that will be useful later. You're probably town for this effort too. Even though the last game he is referring to with this chart was how he tricked people to trust him as mafia?
That's incorrect. I was town, but I did accidentally drive the lynch from scum hopeless onto town deconduo. I think the logic behind it was solid, we just had a scumteam with no real thread presence.
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Now if you can take the time to find this post, you can take the time to find kita's post in which he said or suggested I wouldn't do that as scum.
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