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On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it?
Time A: I thought rayn asked a dumb question.
Time B: I don't think that anymore.
Time C: HTS quoted a post where I cleary said I don't think that anymore, and asked me why rayn was scum for that.
A => B => C obv.
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On November 03 2015 01:26 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:16 Rels wrote:Man HTS you're not reading properly. Are you on a phone ? First you messed up the TMI stuff, then this: On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:27 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:12 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:
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OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you. This post seems somewhat contradictory (not the only post I'll comment on from Rels). Based on the sentences bolded you should in theory be scumleaning the three you listed. I'm also not clear on why you are scumreading rayn or what is jumping out at yoru scumread on rayn. I understand your argument for your initial exchange on Superbia/Xatalos is that Superbia's read on Xatalos was manufactured and I'm seeing your followup on page 16, but where was the suspicion on rayn coming from page 11? I thought this question was scummy: On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them.
So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rels, my post on shockey was because of him saying he's catching up, he hadn't posted jack all before that. It indicates that you read the thread, or at least the last few posts starting page 16, when you said you were stuck on page 12. Not sure it's alignement indicative but I have no idea why you would lie about that. I don't see how that made rayn scummy. He's coming to conclusions with his arguments and he's trying to see if you are coming to conclusions on people's alignments which is generally a town trait. And if you are struggling, why, townies can struggle with getting reads too (reference rsoultin in Drams) so naturally he's nitpicking to see your rationale. Mm maybe I didn't explain why I thought it was scummy. On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. Oh I actually did! The scummy isn't nitpicking specific points, which is something town!rayn always do; the problem was asking a dumb question, when I remembered him getting angry at the fact he was being ask a dumb question, so I don't know why he would do this himself. Now rayn quoted the angry post, and it was not really the same context. Admittedly I'm finding this tenuous but after reading a few times I think I am understanding your viewpoint, you are saying that rayn isn't acting consistently between games (correct?). I don't agree this makes him scum, but I can at least see this. My only thing here - "are you mafia?" he and others have done this (example: Koshi - "how mafia are you?") out of spite/emotion, and I'm not sure such types of questions can really be taken seriously nor most people who ask them don't really expect, those questions are out of emotion imo - how can people really answer? For example when Koshi does this he accompanies that question with something else to substantiate that emotion (reference: Void), rayn does the same thing except he splits his posts up (reference SOTW I believe). The reason I disagreed with the question being dumb because I saw the purposes and how he reached his conclusions from the questions asked. Am I making sense here? You are making sense. You are wrong concerning rayn. I don't see him asking dumb questions like that. In fact, he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions. But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question. So you are saying that I'm wrong in my read on rayn (you are implying he's scum, correct?) No, I'm not implying he's scum in that post. I'm implying that he wouldn't ask a dumb question. I did it when I said "I don't see him asking dumb questions like that". On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Why do you think his "are you mafia" is a serious (albeit dumb) question that should be taken serious and such a scumread - and why do you think this offsets the rest of his play (play that does not involve you)? I don't anymore. I did it when I said "But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question." (actually I did it before, but I restated it in the post you quoted) On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Are you suggesting in any form that I should remove him from my team? I didn't suggest anything from the post above. But since you're asking, I would like you to elect Xatalos / kita / me. rayn instead of one of the three could be OK too. And since I suppose the next question will be "but you were suspicious of kita!", I liked his recent posts. How are any of these people more town than rayn? Right now as it stands, I'm almost certainly keeping rayn on, and there's no way I'm ever putting Kita on at this moment (not ever, but at this moment) particularly seeing what I see so far, namely where is he taking his questions? From what I can tell he doesn't like Superbia, last post indicates he's null on me and Xata but the difference I'm trying to resolve there is how Superbia is exclusively mafia. The inactives in this game are also making interchangability difficult and that is not even considering my RL situation today.
Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too. I just don't think he's certainly town for those... It was still a bit weird how he went "do you really think this is a nightmare for scum?" "yeah, somewhat" "since you don't think so...". Not exclusively scummy like you said, and maybe I'm a bit biased because he did it to me, but... Well, he's certainly not 100% town still 
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On November 03 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication. >_<
It does for rayn, as he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions; why would he do it as town ?
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My interpretation of "dumb questions" was different from yours. Even if you aren't directly saying rayn isn't scum.
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Rels do you think rayn is scum or not?
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OK. What do you think of Superbia's TMI accusation ?
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On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though.
I fully support this team.
Hi!
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On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not?
He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds.
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On November 03 2015 01:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? Time A: I thought rayn asked a dumb question. Time B: I don't think that anymore. Time C: HTS quoted a post where I cleary said I don't think that anymore, and asked me why rayn was scum for that. A => B => C obv.
I'm getting confused about the situation.... I guess I should go examine the posts in question lol
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On November 03 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though. I fully support this team. Hi!
You fully support Xata / Xata / Rels ? Yeah, good team.
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On November 03 2015 01:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication. >_< It does for rayn, as he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions; why would he do it as town ?
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Why would he do it as town? There's no rhyme or reason to that, he just does, other than he's explicitly said he doesn't deal with stupidity.
Or am I misunderstanding you? Why would he do it as town - from context you mean get angry?
Holy hell, I think we might be talking around each other. I am finding your posts extremely tenuous this game, and I know I've said that at least once before.
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On November 03 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:31 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication. >_< It does for rayn, as he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions; why would he do it as town ? ?????? Why would he do it as town? There's no rhyme or reason to that, he just does, other than he's explicitly said he doesn't deal with stupidity. Or am I misunderstanding you? Why would he do it as town - from context you mean get angry? Holy hell, I think we might be talking around each other. I am finding your posts extremely tenuous this game, and I know I've said that at least once before.
The sentence should read "Why would he ask a dumb question ?"
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On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not? He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds.
Why do you think he's a town lean? Do you still want him to not be part of the first team?
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On November 03 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though. I fully support this team. Hi!
If you could find a way to bleed town in the next 3-4 hours it would greatly help me. Xx
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On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though. I fully support this team. Hi! You fully support Xata / Xata / Rels ? Yeah, good team.
I think an Artanis / Artanis / Artanis team would be better though. 100% chance of success.
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On November 03 2015 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not? He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds. Why do you think he's a town lean? Do you still want him to not be part of the first team?
Cause he's attacking people over logical things, has hard townreads and is trying to solve the game as a whole. That's his town meta. I'm OK with him being part of the first team.
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On November 03 2015 01:36 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though. I fully support this team. Hi! If you could find a way to bleed town in the next 3-4 hours it would greatly help me. Xx
Afraid I'm not gonna be home for another 4 at least so that seems unlikely. Phoneposting atm.
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On November 03 2015 01:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:31 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication. >_< It does for rayn, as he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions; why would he do it as town ? ?????? Why would he do it as town? There's no rhyme or reason to that, he just does, other than he's explicitly said he doesn't deal with stupidity. Or am I misunderstanding you? Why would he do it as town - from context you mean get angry? Holy hell, I think we might be talking around each other. I am finding your posts extremely tenuous this game, and I know I've said that at least once before. The sentence should read "Why would he ask a dumb question ?"
Okay if this is the case, then no rayn wouldn't ask a dumb question as town, but then that takes me back to my previous post about me disagreeing with you that his questions were actually dumb.
*throws her hands up in defeat*
Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
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On November 03 2015 01:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:36 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though. I fully support this team. Hi! If you could find a way to bleed town in the next 3-4 hours it would greatly help me. Xx Afraid I'm not gonna be home for another 4 at least so that seems unlikely. Phoneposting atm.
Fair enough. Don't work too hard. Or at least I hope the tail end for you is the sport part.
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On November 03 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:36 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:31 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication. >_< It does for rayn, as he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions; why would he do it as town ? ?????? Why would he do it as town? There's no rhyme or reason to that, he just does, other than he's explicitly said he doesn't deal with stupidity. Or am I misunderstanding you? Why would he do it as town - from context you mean get angry? Holy hell, I think we might be talking around each other. I am finding your posts extremely tenuous this game, and I know I've said that at least once before. The sentence should read "Why would he ask a dumb question ?" Okay if this is the case, then no rayn wouldn't ask a dumb question as town, but then that takes me back to my previous post about me disagreeing with you that his questions were actually dumb. *throws her hands up in defeat* Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
But in the post you quoted, I said it was actually not a dumb question (= let me find the quote
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