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@rayn, you felt that his push on xat was town motivated when it occurred initially. I agreed with you at that time since pushing a player to generate discussion is generally town-motivated. However, do you feel this explanation is legit?
Yeah i think i have said that at least many times already.
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I'm looking at a three-hour delay for my flight home. Fuck this weather.
That is going to put me close to deadline, so I am going to keep my primary submission to what it is now, and then have an alternate submission up ASAP so you people can discuss it before and then I will state what I'm going to do before I get on the plane. If I had to pull myself off the team, it'd be right now - Xata/rayn/Superbia.
I'm feeling better about Xata but not as good as with Super/rayn and I don't believe sicklucker and Artanis will bleed town for me in time for deadline or even before I leave Berlin, if I even do.
Also I don't feel Rels' TMI argument on superbia is valid, but will double check the rest of his followup.
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Re folks! Will catch up the pages I missed
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Hm..... I think HtS/rayn/Superbia has a decent chance of being Spy-free. It would be worth considering at least.
On the other hand, it'd feel less up to chance if I was included. I'll have to think about who should be preferably dropped... Maybe Superbia? He made some good posts recently, but I still dislike the initial push on me, making me a scumread so casually and continuing the push disregarding what I actually said there.
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Just statistically, the chances of scum being included would go like 76% -> 46%. Yeah, seems good. Not to mention that the drop should be even more dramatic with reads/reasoning included..
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On November 02 2015 23:27 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:12 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:
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No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. What i am trying to say that i find it suspicious you are not trying to make reads yet, and i think that is not normal for you. Especially when this is not a situation where making reads does not help anything (unlike for example if in a mafia game you think everyone who has posted so far are town). If i compared this to a normal mafia this would be a situation where you know at least one of the people who have posted is mafia for sure but you are refusing to figure it out further. OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you. This post seems somewhat contradictory (not the only post I'll comment on from Rels). Based on the sentences bolded you should in theory be scumleaning the three you listed. I'm also not clear on why you are scumreading rayn or what is jumping out at yoru scumread on rayn. I understand your argument for your initial exchange on Superbia/Xatalos is that Superbia's read on Xatalos was manufactured and I'm seeing your followup on page 16, but where was the suspicion on rayn coming from page 11? I thought this question was scummy: On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rels, my post on shockey was because of him saying he's catching up, he hadn't posted jack all before that. It indicates that you read the thread, or at least the last few posts starting page 16, when you said you were stuck on page 12. Not sure it's alignement indicative but I have no idea why you would lie about that. I don't see how that made rayn scummy. He's coming to conclusions with his arguments and he's trying to see if you are coming to conclusions on people's alignments which is generally a town trait. And if you are struggling, why, townies can struggle with getting reads too (reference rsoultin in Drams) so naturally he's nitpicking to see your rationale. Mm maybe I didn't explain why I thought it was scummy. On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. Oh I actually did! The scummy isn't nitpicking specific points, which is something town!rayn always do; the problem was asking a dumb question, when I remembered him getting angry at the fact he was being ask a dumb question, so I don't know why he would do this himself. Now rayn quoted the angry post, and it was not really the same context. Admittedly I'm finding this tenuous but after reading a few times I think I am understanding your viewpoint, you are saying that rayn isn't acting consistently between games (correct?). I don't agree this makes him scum, but I can at least see this. My only thing here - "are you mafia?" he and others have done this (example: Koshi - "how mafia are you?") out of spite/emotion, and I'm not sure such types of questions can really be taken seriously nor most people who ask them don't really expect, those questions are out of emotion imo - how can people really answer? For example when Koshi does this he accompanies that question with something else to substantiate that emotion (reference: Void), rayn does the same thing except he splits his posts up (reference SOTW I believe). The reason I disagreed with the question being dumb because I saw the purposes and how he reached his conclusions from the questions asked. Am I making sense here?
You are making sense. You are wrong concerning rayn. I don't see him asking dumb questions like that. In fact, he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions. But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question.
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On November 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:27 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:12 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them.
So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. What i am trying to say that i find it suspicious you are not trying to make reads yet, and i think that is not normal for you. Especially when this is not a situation where making reads does not help anything (unlike for example if in a mafia game you think everyone who has posted so far are town). If i compared this to a normal mafia this would be a situation where you know at least one of the people who have posted is mafia for sure but you are refusing to figure it out further. OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you. This post seems somewhat contradictory (not the only post I'll comment on from Rels). Based on the sentences bolded you should in theory be scumleaning the three you listed. I'm also not clear on why you are scumreading rayn or what is jumping out at yoru scumread on rayn. I understand your argument for your initial exchange on Superbia/Xatalos is that Superbia's read on Xatalos was manufactured and I'm seeing your followup on page 16, but where was the suspicion on rayn coming from page 11? I thought this question was scummy: On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rels, my post on shockey was because of him saying he's catching up, he hadn't posted jack all before that. It indicates that you read the thread, or at least the last few posts starting page 16, when you said you were stuck on page 12. Not sure it's alignement indicative but I have no idea why you would lie about that. I don't see how that made rayn scummy. He's coming to conclusions with his arguments and he's trying to see if you are coming to conclusions on people's alignments which is generally a town trait. And if you are struggling, why, townies can struggle with getting reads too (reference rsoultin in Drams) so naturally he's nitpicking to see your rationale. Mm maybe I didn't explain why I thought it was scummy. On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. Oh I actually did! The scummy isn't nitpicking specific points, which is something town!rayn always do; the problem was asking a dumb question, when I remembered him getting angry at the fact he was being ask a dumb question, so I don't know why he would do this himself. Now rayn quoted the angry post, and it was not really the same context. Admittedly I'm finding this tenuous but after reading a few times I think I am understanding your viewpoint, you are saying that rayn isn't acting consistently between games (correct?). I don't agree this makes him scum, but I can at least see this. My only thing here - "are you mafia?" he and others have done this (example: Koshi - "how mafia are you?") out of spite/emotion, and I'm not sure such types of questions can really be taken seriously nor most people who ask them don't really expect, those questions are out of emotion imo - how can people really answer? For example when Koshi does this he accompanies that question with something else to substantiate that emotion (reference: Void), rayn does the same thing except he splits his posts up (reference SOTW I believe). The reason I disagreed with the question being dumb because I saw the purposes and how he reached his conclusions from the questions asked. Am I making sense here? You are making sense. You are wrong concerning rayn. I don't see him asking dumb questions like that. In fact, he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions. But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question.
So you are saying that I'm wrong in my read on rayn (you are implying he's scum, correct?)
Why do you think his "are you mafia" is a serious (albeit dumb) question that should be taken serious and such a scumread - and why do you think this offsets the rest of his play (play that does not involve you)?
Are you suggesting in any form that I should remove him from my team?
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On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town?
I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before.
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Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game, and rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum.
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On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before.
Hm... Who would replace rayn then?
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Oh oops, I thought HTS posted that post :D
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On November 02 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 17:29 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:On November 02 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote:
kita, did you get anything out of our furious exchange just now? I'd say people stating that they are happy that they didn't roll mafia typically increases their chances of being mafia, though I don't know if that actually holds true. Super stating that his read will be based on how you interact with others and you proceeding to go out of your way to interact with me could be interpreted as you trying to influence his views. Neither of these points lead to more than a "meh" Does anyone know if one faction typically wins more often than the other in a standard resistance setup or is it pretty close to 50/50? I'm not all that familiar with how the games usually play out myself. Right now I'm toying with a rng scenarios to see how they play out. Weird that it took kita 1 hour to answer this question, which was asked to him only a few minutes after his opening post. Weird that you imply I was carefully crafting a response for 1 hour, rather than simply responding once I returned to read the thread. Though I do wonder to myself why a spy Rels would attack me for such a ticky tack point. I'd expect a spy to push something along the lines of "kita isn't contributing what I would expect from his town play", rather than trying to paint me in a bad light from the start.
No. You saying "hello" then not answering a question asked 5 minutes later is the weird part. Don't mix up things.
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On November 03 2015 00:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Who do you trust the most at this moment ShoCkeyy? Mostly everyone is still null for me. The first team still hasn't even gone out yet.
What??!?!!?!?
I posted my first wave of nominations: rayn/me/Superbia
You are getting nothing from:
1 Superbia/Xata interactions
2 Rels interaction with anyone
3 My own interactions
There's a lot of content out there.
For you to say everyone is null you would have to explain why all of the above comes from both alignments, or why what we're doing gets nothing done for town So you would need to in my book explain possible mafia motivations - at the very least, for me.
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On November 02 2015 23:55 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 19:06 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i gotta get off for some time. I am starting to get angry at this. No no no. Finish explaining yourself Finish....Finnish...triple no. Noted.
LOL
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game
How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective?
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On November 03 2015 00:22 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie? Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:59 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 20:56 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie? Your posting style and activity level seems similar to that game. Mind you that I've read/skimmed maybe 7-8 pages, so I'm not confident enough to give you a lot of townie-points. Okay, that makes sense. Alright, these questions are quite town. I know Rels argued TMI from Superbia. So at least I know to flag that argument reviewing Rels later...
It's the other way around, Superbia argued TMI from me! But would love to know your take on it either way
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On November 03 2015 00:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Who do you trust the most at this moment ShoCkeyy? Mostly everyone is still null for me. The first team still hasn't even gone out yet.
Man with that much info it's weird you don't have at least one townread.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective?
Actually similar question for HTS regarding super. What about his play makes you think that he is town, rather than a mafia player who realizes the benefit of putting a player on the defensive early? Was there something in particular that stood out that was alignment indicative?
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On November 03 2015 01:05 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Who do you trust the most at this moment ShoCkeyy? Mostly everyone is still null for me. The first team still hasn't even gone out yet. What??!?!!?!? I posted my first wave of nominations: rayn/me/Superbia You are getting nothing from: 1 Superbia/Xata interactions 2 Rels interaction with anyone 3 My own interactions There's a lot of content out there. For you to say everyone is null you would have to explain why all of the above comes from both alignments, or why what we're doing gets nothing done for town So you would need to in my book explain possible mafia motivations - at the very least, for me.
1 Superbia/Xata interactions - Pointless, it doesn't give an alignment of either imo.
2 Rels interaction with anyone - I already stated earlier my thoughts on rayn and Xata both jumping against rels. However, I don't know if rels is mafia or not because people in this very thread have said he's active as well as a mafia member.
3 My own interactions - I can't say anything because you still have rayn in your nominations. However, the read can change based on your final submission of people.
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On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective?
Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point.
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