Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition - Page 84

On November 22 2015 13:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean, maybe it's just trfel and onegu and there's nothing to solve but I need to look at your filter again ricky

On November 17 2015 10:10 NocturneMage wrote:
Anyways second look at Breshke indicates his would lynch is FF, Moosy and he's waiting for VE. Eh, nothing unusual, thought his response to my question 6 pages ago was satisfactory.

Getting to ritoky's post on disformation....

Only other person I need to take a hard look is Eversince.

On November 17 2015 11:12 NocturneMage wrote:

Null:
Eversince - just couldn't get around to her today.
disformation - there are legitimate town and mafia tells but I would use another day to work on him
Fecalfeast - he didn't explain the reads early game, but he openly admitted he was lazy. seems intent on lynching scott and putting pressure on Moosy to play the game which is towny though. My gut says town, but I could be wrong.

On November 18 2015 23:47 NocturneMage wrote:
Just looking at filters I think best cop checks might be VE, Eversince, Fecalfeast.

If we have vig shoot Farah.

Also Fecalfeast I don't think doc/vet is even possible given the OP.

I need to afk for a few hours.

On November 19 2015 09:58 NocturneMage wrote:
Farah, I'm going to say this. when you are getting tunnelled or scumread or whatever you want to call it, I was advised you find scum. If you honestly felt there was a valid point to figuring out what Fecalfeast's role was - and he claimed he wasn't vig - you would have moved forward by saying

"alright, Fecalfeast isn't vig, he could be scum because of X," or "if fecalfast is town and if some person Y is vig" then I'm down to this method, etc.

even in your world you aren't moving town forward

also post 1129, Trfel is using the word malicious as in mafia agenda. Not that you were insulting, but your play is mafia play.

now I have time to sit down, I will look into eversince, and do the best I can here. at least before 2am.

On November 19 2015 10:11 NocturneMage wrote:


as glowingbear told me in my newbie 13 game, scum play to survive. even if we go through a cycle, say we fuck up again and mislynch, night phase passes and she's not taken out, if she gets one mislynch out of that, she's gotten her team closer to victory. 2 mislynches left in that scenario.

alright now eversince.

On November 19 2015 10:31 NocturneMage wrote:
also disformation....

from newbie 13, I was caught out as mafia on voting analysis. I am decently sure the way moosy's been playing he is probably town now. If that's the case, when both wagons are town, there's a decent shot to look at people who didn't give a shit about the lynch or who got lynched or for players that can hide it well, who had a "fake" reaction to try and get one player lynched over another or a bad reason given read progression.

now farah's been cited for this, but who else would this apply?

there were some isolated voters obviously and those people will always come into question but two of these are known town now.

and eversince, who knows.

On November 19 2015 11:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Rest of filter is a bit hyperfocusing on Shining. Just overall meh from that point.

I'd give an overall scumlean, but very well could be wrong here.

back to work.

On November 19 2015 23:19 NocturneMage wrote:
I think if I had to lynch anyone and avoid the policy lynch (which it basically what it is) on Eversince, I would go for Breshke.

Compared to Trfel, he seems less towny although I couldn't initially grasp from ritoky as for why he'd lynch Trfel over Breshke aside from him wanting to lynch Farah whose claim was scummy when it was made. I could understand Fecalfeast's vote on him for that reason although I mentioned that Breshke, the same thing mostly applies except the claim analysis.

geript tried to get Breshke lynched d1 and now that we know geript is town and considering his type of read and my initial reservation on Breshke (talking around geript/VE), and geripts history of 30 games, I'm going to assume the meta read is more or less accurate or at the very least we know it was an honest thought from him.

not to mention scum really fall off late game, and Breshke's last post irrespective of timezone was....

....16 hours ago....

I'm looking at Breshke's posts from 1009 and onwards. He's saying disformation and farah are both scum. But they are both scumreading each other. Learnt the hard way from newbie 14 that there was some double bussing going on. there's no explaiantion from Breshke as to why he thinks they are on after each other and disformation has since been a bit more towny.

If Farah's claim was true, and without a counterclaim, we have to proceed as if it is true, it was a poor decision, but at least Damdred has a strategy/conditions for when/if/how the vig should claim. I understand it.

and this go? Breshke's pushes are a LOT weaker than round 1. he's not as invested in either of them.

I think what trfel said is valid, let the moderators deal with Eversince and lynch Breshke unless there is a mechanical reason we have to deal with her now. (do we know if mods modkill or replace or does that even matter? no idea how that shit works.)

On November 22 2015 13:59 Fecalfeast wrote:

The premise being that if trfel is scum we lynch disfo+onegu and win and if trfel is town we lynch onegu + NM and win?

Hmmmmmmmm

On November 22 2015 14:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's weird. Really interesting actually, ritoky. You say he could be suggesting a cop check on the GF. I believe scum is told the setup ahead of time, aren't they?

On November 22 2015 09:20 disformation wrote:
Damdred you still around? Was the legwork from earlier what you were looking for? Any conclusions from that?
I found Trfel going from "Nah this is not a fake claim" "to lets lynch her" a bit confusing after farah's claim.

On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:
The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious.

I know I'm not the only one who asked for that.

Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong?

On November 19 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
I can't see this coming from a person who would fakeclaim here as town. That settles that.