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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 16 2015 23:57 GMT
#564
i feel like me understanding disform's alignment is going to be crucial to me winning this game cuz he confuses the living fuck out of me and i will explain it in a few minutes.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 16 2015 23:59 GMT
#565
oh yeah i forgot to mention this earlier, but trfel is wrong about VE still, but that probably doesn't make him mafia that probably just makes him derp.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:03 GMT
#568
i don't know if i should say this in thread, but regardless of alignment i think moosy is in violation of some rules and have notified the mod accordingly; that's the extent I will discuss it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:28 GMT
#586
this is basically going to end up being a waste of space for a lot of people when you get to the end and realize it is a NULL READ. so i am spoilering it now DISFORM IS NULL TO ME FOR COMPLICATED RAISINS. now here's why:

Here's his entrance, it feels natural and relaxed:

On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time


Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to?


On November 16 2015 05:07 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is

##vote shining

Statistically it has to be time


Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to?


Actually:
counterproposal:
In both games I played with scott, he was lynched D1 and town won. That is like a 100% to win if we lynch scott today!
##vote scott31337


On November 16 2015 05:09 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 05:07 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Shining has rolled town 85% of the time maybe 90%. His streak must be over at some point


I have rolled town 100% of the time. Maybe you should lynch me. :D


Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright.

But then it starts to feel awkward.... he gets into the "am i the only one who was joking" and self deprecation area which is very different from his natural upbeat attitude from before.

The he says this:

On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:
On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote

Ok I have my read now.

Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.

So what's your read and how did you reach it?


Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in.

Pretty sure he's town at least for now.


Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining.


From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him


Alright, thanks.
Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself.


which i quoted for empty promise potential. this is a very practiced and common mafia tactic where they say "reading filters" or "catching up" then they deliver low volume small content posts or say they didn't find anything to feign doing more work to solve the game than they are actually doing. so i was expecting some in depth analysis of shining at some point. spoiler alert, i was disappointed that it never came to be. which tends toward mafia for me

then he posts his reads and there's that FF read that sticks out to me. i don't see why it was mentioned and it felt forced into it. he includes so few reads in the post, so why does FF being null get included? I don't understand what the point of it was. it isn't a strong read, it doesn't seek to illicit a reaction, it is just this random null read with no content to it in a very small list of reads. i can't grasp why it is even there. tending toward mafia again.

next he starts posting and trying to solve the game and i generally like the way he is pushing so i start to think he is town again, but then at the end of all of that pushing he arrives at this:

On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


which is like the biggest pile of LHF in the thread. so i am super confused right now. BUT HERE IS WHERE I GET REALLLLLLLLLYYYYY CONFUSED. REMEMBER TRFEL IS MAFIA TO HIM, now watch these next posts:

On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


Should add at least a bit of reasoning:
All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions.
(MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)

Other thoughts:
Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff.
I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future.
Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm.
Also waffly about Breshke.
Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression.

NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town.


VE is town, trfel is mafia.

On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.


Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote:
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.


I'm going ahead and respond to both of that.
Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative.
I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine...

His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads.

While we are at that:
##vote MoosyDoosy
@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question.


I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm.


One of his only 3 mafia reads gives a scum read on one of his only 3 town reads and he then trusts his scum reads' case on his top town read and re-evaluates. I am so fucking confused by this I can't even explain it. It makes no sense, so I would appreciate it if someone would fucking explain this insanity to me.

Ultimately he has shit that makes me think he is town, but he has shit that makes me think he is mafia, and then he has shit that I don't even understand. He might be in my lynch pile today cuz I think he is on the mafia side of null at the moment....but I feel like this is someone I am going to have difficulty reading all game long, so I really need to figure him out.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:43 GMT
#597
On November 17 2015 09:13 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Breshke, take your original read on me and switch it. It has worked 100% of the time in the past. Yes, this is fact.


Have you played with sicklucker? I think you two would be friends.

Ritoky since VE isn't here and you town read him do you see an explanation for this

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote:
ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued.

VE can you explain this

On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.



and this

On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!

##Unvote

I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.

The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.

So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.


Seems to be saying two different things



that's a bad metric to gauge VE on. with VE it is all about passion and the manner in which he provokes people....and how pissed off he gets when he isn't town read when he should be, but that bit only matters later in the game. i could care less if he was joking or serious doesn't matter to me tbh, he provoked someone in town VE way in order to get a read, and he showed early passion. town VE enough for me fttb.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:44 GMT
#598
also someone comment on what i typed...i feel dumb typing it now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:51 GMT
#604
town in no particular order:
ritoky
geript
ve
trfel
farah
NM

exempt:
moosy - reasons
ever - surgery sympathy

not town:
ff
disform
shining
breshke
scott

any questions?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 00:57 GMT
#609
On November 17 2015 09:52 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh, to add to your post nocturne, he said meta on himself is invalid because he plays on other sites but he is willing to use meta on farah who's on her second game...


Exactly, it's absolute shit that does dick all in figuring out anyone's alignment. I'm honestly this close to just lynching him at at least encouraging the use of investigative roles to sort out others.


Meta is extremely powerful when it is used by someone with a strong grasp of it and a decent track record. For ex: my reads on alakaslam and damdred. But generally speaking it is wildly misused and over-inflated in importance.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:04 GMT
#616
On November 17 2015 10:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hey ritoky you need a back rub or something? Hot chocolate? I have some espresso if that's more your thing.


Weirdly enough I am from Seattle and don't drink coffee. Tea is my thing, drinking a vanilla chai tea atm, back rub sound amazing.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:11 GMT
#623
On November 17 2015 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 10:04 ritoky wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hey ritoky you need a back rub or something? Hot chocolate? I have some espresso if that's more your thing.


Weirdly enough I am from Seattle and don't drink coffee. Tea is my thing, drinking a vanilla chai tea atm, back rub sound amazing.

Cool, cool. I can do a chai latte if you're into steamed milk or whatever.

What say you pop me up a notch or two on that list of yours, buddy.


DANGER DANGER WIFOM NUKE ALERT!

I am laughing so fucking hard at this irl, aight I will give you a town pass today just cuz of this. The chupazi in me believes you wouldn't be so obvious as mafia courting me for a hot date like this.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:17 GMT
#628
On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again


yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment.

plus i have a lot of TRs
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:21 GMT
#632
On November 17 2015 10:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 10:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:04 ritoky wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hey ritoky you need a back rub or something? Hot chocolate? I have some espresso if that's more your thing.


Weirdly enough I am from Seattle and don't drink coffee. Tea is my thing, drinking a vanilla chai tea atm, back rub sound amazing.

Cool, cool. I can do a chai latte if you're into steamed milk or whatever.

What say you pop me up a notch or two on that list of yours, buddy.


DANGER DANGER WIFOM NUKE ALERT!

I am laughing so fucking hard at this irl, aight I will give you a town pass today just cuz of this. The chupazi in me believes you wouldn't be so obvious as mafia courting me for a hot date like this.

Yeah, I'm gonna try not to speculate as much on what I would do if I were mafia, I've been using that shit as an excuse a lot lately and it sucks.

+ Show Spoiler +
I totally would though.+ Show Spoiler +
WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM

Yes, I would use my meta of not caring as town in order to survive as Mafia yes. Which is what I'm doing now which is why you should lynch me yes.


yes, YESSSSS!!!! this is going places!!!!!!

[image loading]
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:23 GMT
#633
On November 17 2015 10:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
When did I become such a pushover? That disform post reads pretty genuine to me


At least I had a kid, what's your excuse?

I am working on my "resist puppy dog eyes" stat right now, so I am less inclined to buy into it; but I can understand where you're coming from.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:25 GMT
#637
On November 17 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again


yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment.

plus i have a lot of TRs

Too many TRs. I imagine there's one of the really good players as scum or it's a really obvious/lurky team


probably true, there's always that 1 sneakster mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:27 GMT
#640
VE is like 84-89% town. Trust me on that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 01:31 GMT
#642
On November 17 2015 10:26 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel.

And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading.


I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask.


3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 10:15 GMT
#695
On November 17 2015 17:11 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 16:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm here now can you hold my hand geript and tell me what was scum indicative about disform's post?

I'm about to go to bed. But I remember a few specific things. Feeling less motivated; that's something that tends to happen with new scum. The bite me in the butt comment. Just little things. The post really reminded me of what I'd tell a new scum to post. Be honest where possible. Back track as necessary. Try to make 1-2 new points that go nowhere. Search to clarify things that are irrelevant.

Like I'm really waffly on Disinfo. And no real time to look at coaching qt.


y'know that hadn't really occurred to me until you brought it up. why would he be considering what could be used against him to the point where he is aware comments are gonna "bite him".
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 10:21 GMT
#696
On November 17 2015 19:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Did Moosy ever come in here and explain what got his panties in a twist earlier? Like, I know a couple people mentioned wanting to lynch him, but full martyr mode barely a day into D1? What was that about?

Those who have played with him seem to think it's either town indicative or NAA, but I think maybe getting to the core of his issue might help some to determine his alignment for their own benefit, myself included.


From what I can tell it was some combination of people in the game he doesn't like? people not agreeing with him? and him supposedly not liking getting the role of town? (which is a stupid pov cuz you hate 75% of the game)

I was planning on avoiding him cuz I think anyone actively encouraging their own lynch in a serious way is grounds for mod action. If that doesn't pan out I am hoping for a cop or vigi to resolve him; otherwise I am gonna be up shit creek cuz I have a baby so I deal with enough fits in my day to day.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 10:35 GMT
#697
if you're here VE, can you talk to me about shining; where do you stand on him now? same as before?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 10:46 GMT
#698
probably need to start consolidating onto something since i won't be awake until like an hour before the deadline barring i don't sleep through the alarm.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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