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On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote:On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point.
You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot.
We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity.
Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante
FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. Sorry not sure how I missed this. I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that. I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo. I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter. The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows. The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility.
The ritoky comment is good, IMO, because he hard towned both VE and geript iirc. So why would he vig either of them? And his last post saying vigging either was dumb makes it moot since its pretty obvs he isn't the Vig then
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On November 19 2015 07:02 NocturneMage wrote:
wait he hard townread both? interesting, I stand corrected on that then.
Ya in his post trashing my EoD post he said him geript and you were all town and "everyone know this" implying a hard townread. He also had geript on a town list before then.
But it is interesting that Farrah knows VE was the Vig shot and hard claimed blue. If she were the Vig I don't think she'd be speculating on who the vig is, unless like NM said it was for a gotcha! Cc play. But its too early in the day and risky for it to be a scum play to try and save herself or draw out a blue. Idk I'm confused on this one.
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Disfo you get half a town point just for being the only one to mention that post tbh. I'm not gonna quote it and stretch the thread out but this is in response to 1072.
First point. Right I dont want to but I did anyway cuz I felt it necessary to point out. Yolo. And considering ES was one of the only players I had directly interacted with, it would make sense that she was the read I was most sure of.
No I didn't miss that post and I won't go into wifom territory on whether scum ritoky would do that or not. The point I was trying to make is that he himself claimed he tried to get a switch. But he can't really say he did that when that Scott post and his switch were all at the last possible minute. It just looked like he said that to make himself look good.
Skipping the fair enough.
I agree with you there. But if Moosy is in fact town, then I'm more inclined to think the early voters that never moved are more likely scum than the vote switchers. Like if town is getting lynched regardless, scum has no motivation to move back and forth a bunch of times.
So you think Farrah is scum then? I believe someone asked you before to show when and where your null read on her became scum. Can you do that now? What do you think of her blue claim?
Yeah I'll get around to Trfel soon.
I dislike ritoky for seeing what I see in ES then scumming me and asking why anyone TRs me for it. And misrepresenting himself as someone who tried to get ppl off Scott when there wasn't enough time for that to even happen. And I was finding him suspicious enough to revisit my townread on him. I'm not saying he's a full blown scumread but I do have question marks now.
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On November 19 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Already answered on the case and vig issues Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke?
It's kinda funny tho becuz she was this obstinate last game too
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On November 19 2015 08:12 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote:On November 19 2015 08:03 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Already answered on the case and vig issues Just from an advice perspective, being obstinate about something that multiple people clearly didn't understand the first time instead of attempting to re-explain it in a manner they can grasp is not a good way to garner others' trust or rally people to your cause. The part of moosy's case I wanted an explanation from you on was your disformation read progression. What is your read on him? How did you get there? Why? What made you think he was the best lynch then move to breshke? It's kinda funny tho becuz she was this obstinate last game too what was her alignment? and do you think it is an alignment indicator or a personality thing?
Town and this is her 2nd game so idk if meta could rightfully apply here. But it wouldn't surprise me if it does, since I had her as town. Even though I don't really understand the claim this early, I could see it coming from a flustered and frustrated town that's only played 1 game and just shutting down because of it.
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On November 19 2015 08:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:On November 19 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:On November 19 2015 07:49 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never lynch an uncc blue your dumb otherwise. Then can you please answer the points that MoosyDoosy brought up? Can you please explain how it is beneficial to try and figure out who the vigilante is? because at worst the vigi is just a confirmed town which lowers the lynch pool by 1 (2 if farah is legit). at best the vigi baits a cc from mafia and we get a 1:1. there is actually 0 reason to not claim as vigi post-shot unless they are trying to avoid having me tell them why they are stupid for shooting geript or ve. Okay, so let's assume for a moment that you're right, and the vigilante is stupid for not claiming. We find who the vigilante is, then we know who is stupid. Yay? The vigilante wouldn't avoid claiming if they're under a sufficient amount of suspicion anyway, no matter what. So you can assume that the vigilante isn't that highly suspected. So IT DOESN'T MATTER. it is the denial of a universal TR to town for what i can only assume is a lack of understanding of mechanics or selfish reasons...it is just anti-town to not claim; if you don't understand then your mechanics are not strong enough.
I agree here. Bah ritoky is still prob town, I'm just prone to omgus sometimes, I guess
I have this funny theory that I was right about geript being the Vig shot and Trfel is the Vig. His dislike of geript would've made him shoot XD that's why he's so adamant about saying there Vig claiming doesn't matter, since he feels no one really suspects him right now. Or I could be totally dead wrong.
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On November 19 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote
##Vote farahblackwing
Lets ride
Moosy pt2?
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Meh I'm an asshole and left my tablet at home today, couldn't play from work and just got home. I'm pretty caught up but l'll admit most of the bigger posts, I skimmed through. Never lynch Moosy or Damdred for obvious reasons.
I still want to lynch ES, waiting another phase/day for mod action is a horrible idea, as ritoky pointed out. I'm also a lot less suspicious of ritoky because I agree with what he says about Fecal not wanting to play or put real effort until he's under pressure from Trfel and in a world where he's scum, with his questioning and interactions, I'm having trouble even seeing a possible team with him.
Not sure what to think of Trfel, I don't remember him being this angry or determined to put in effort as scum when he rolled scum with me, think it was Student V. Could be frustrated town, and although he has defended and pushed off of Breshke, it's not like he hasn't done other things, as well.
FF is in a weird place for me. Like I said, I agree with ritoky's point about him not putting up a case or trying until he was under suspicion but again, last game I was with him, he didn't do much of anything until D2/D3 so I'm not sure if that's a tell or not.
I remember feeling like Breshke was just asking questions to look active and he also missed a post and his response was pretty defensive("haven't you ever missed a post?"). He also said he was looking to get reads as the conclusions from his questions, but he already had disfo and Farrah as scum. Farrah, who is now Damdred, who is un-CCd vet. Disfo who's waffling is questionable at times but from skimming his filter, he looks like he is really putting in effort into this game and without having a scum game to refer it to, I'm hesitant trying to lynch an 8 page filter with actual reasoning and lines of questioning.
Idk I guess I'm down to lynching Breshke or ES. Maybe FF? But I'm so paranoid about that, even though Trfel's case was pretty accurate. What bugs me is the conclusion at the end of Trfel's case doesn't outright say "FF is scum."
Oh right. NM cased Trfel. But the case felt very heavily based on narrative and leading questions to push, when I feel it should be more based on what Trfel has done to be scum. But I still think NM is town and he's got a team of Trfel/Breshke +1. I feel much better lynching Breshke over Trfel.
##Vote: Breshke
I'm going to try to be around at eod tomorrow but it happens literally right when I get to work, so the best I can probably do is phone posting an hour before. And I'm still very much so wanting to lynch ES to get rid of the question mark but I'm not going to waste my vote on her if no one else will. It could very well be that her RL stuff is a lot to handle and she saw her role PM and didn't have the time or state of mind to play as scum.
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I'll be up for like an hr and check here a few times if anyone has any questions, since I know all I've been able to do is catch up and info dump when I do come back into thread. But a few people said they don't know where I'm at or what my reads are so there you go
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Bam. I love it. Time to re-read Bresh's filter and look at Trfel. I kinda like Damdys points about Trfel being town but...Breshke flip makes him look so bad.
So ES is like immortal or something? :o
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On November 21 2015 05:14 disformation wrote:
So. The roleblocker is dead. That means they need two shots for our vet.
Do you know someone who was maybe trying from preventing that from happening?
Lol is this a trick question? Trfel. NM to a lesser extent but he's still town to me. Pretty big Breshke wagon too. Unless ES is scum, I'm inclined to think someone bussed
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Brooms rhyme with shrooms =D I'll eat shrooms if town doesn't win >.>
Trfel do you still think FF is scum?
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On November 17 2015 20:04 ritoky wrote:
my lynch list is pretty much: scott, shining, disform, and maybe breshke? although the moosy thing i guess i wouldn't be opposed to cuz i have no fucking clue and am mostly just praying to the PR.
scott - constantly behind, no real legitimate engagement with the game, low amount of content, really strange breshke progression without much explanation behind it mostly just a quote; shown no real desire to find and lynch scum or really form a substantive town circle which means he is just playin on the fringes.
shining - hasn't played since i made my points about posting reads out of his ass, not having teeth, and the like; thus my read hasn't changed. also fought with a guy under anesthesia, which makes 0 fucking sense to me...the guy admitted to being heavily medicated...fails the "what have you done for me recently test"...also excuses, hate excuses.
disform - click my filter go see my case, it is a complex slightly mafia leaning read. geript pointing out the "post would come back to bite me comment" made me feel he is slightly more mafia cuz i can't really think of why a townie would be considering something like that....like why are you so heavily concerned about shit being used against you if you're town? but he does have that joke about lynching himself which felt like a redeeming quality so i hesitate.
breshke? - i don't have a town read.
I just clicked on ritokys filter and saw this. That's a lot of sentences for a lot of ppl and a one liner for Breshke becuz he doesn't have a townread? Feels strange.
Damdred you said ritoky doesn't look like he have any hard pushes. What do you think about him voting me D1 before switching to Moosy(unCCd Vig now) and basically softing me all game? He said he doesn't understand how people have TRs on me, voted me D1, asks people about me, still has me in his lynch pool up until now, but he has never pushed me. Is this town ritoky actions? Like I swear he says he's been willing to lynch me/thinks I'm scum all game but never does anything about it.
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On November 21 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote:On November 21 2015 05:23 The Shining wrote:
Brooms rhyme with shrooms =D I'll eat shrooms if town doesn't win >.>
Trfel do you still think FF is scum? I don't see how Fecalfeast can be town here. Breshke was obviously bussed. My push on Fecalfeast would have given mafia a golden opportunity to switch off of Breshke, but nothing happened. In addition to all of Fecalfeast's play, that absolutely confirms him as mafia. Take a step back look for,the next scum I'll handle the ff angle for a little
But then why not lynch GF(useless cuz apparently we don't have cop) or goon if FF is one of those and save their RB for their vet? Damdred or Trfel can answer that, I guess.
Is ritoky/FF with breshke plausible here? The early ritoky townread/pass that he gave FF for pretty much nothing could be bad.
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No that's what I'm saying. I'm gonna fully reread ritoky but I've always had slight suspicion on him. Him spewing you town like that for nothing helps you if he's scum.
And like I said, if Fecal is scum, he isn't the RB so why not have his team lynch him instead to save the RB?
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Yes. And rits d1 votes were me>Moosy>Scott. Im town, Moosy is unccd vig, scott flipped town. If he was suspicious of me enough to vote me, he should've been more worried about me voting Scott with him instead of realizing Scott was town right at deadline because of his post 3 mins before EoD.
And the refusal to evaluate. And his always softing me but no push or outright reasoning for why I'm scum.
I want to lynch ritoky.
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Ritoky was one of the last 3. So was FF. So was I. xD
Idk Breshke was really pretty much the lock lynch. Trfel not bussing and being adamant about FF is suicide if he's scum because it just looks bad. I also like the point he made about no one doing anything to get off of Breshke and onto FF. Scum didn't try to save Breshke. At all. Unless it's inactive ES and Trfel but I really do think ritoky is scum.
And now that disfo pointed that out, that's twice. Ritoky didn't find it weird I was voting with him d1. And he voted with FF d2.
I just looked at Breshkes filter, too. It's pretty bare, not too many hints there. One thing I did find interesting is he had little to no interaction with disfo but his 2 scum were Farrah and disfo. I think he may have spewed disfo town.
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You know, I'm remembering Trfel not wanting Vig to claim. I was tinfoiling for a while that he was Vig and didn't want to give himself up yet but Moosy has been unCCd for quite some time, there is no way he isn't the Vig unless our Vig is brain dead.
He also, like ritoky said in that post, backed off of Damdreds claim. But he seemed really adamant about the Vig not claiming. I can't think of any scum motivation for Trfel to do that. Even though it made sense and helps town to have the Vig claim immediately, it feels more townie than scummy to tell him not to. I'm taking Trfel off my poe.
Oh and look. I AM still in ritokys lynchpool.
Ritoky and 1 of ES/FF. Damdred and Moosy are blue. I have a really tough time finding mafia motivation in any of NMs posts. I think Breshke spewed disfo town. Trfel likely frustrated angry town. That's what poe leaves me with.
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I guess spewed town was the wrong phrasing. But he had pretty much no interaction with him and then lumped him in with Farrah as a scumread. I just assumed he was leaving his options open for the ML. It feels very unlikely he was setting up a disfo bus, which makes me think he knew disfo was town
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Mmm. This is true. I could just be reading it wrong. No real way of knowing if he'd ever really lynch disfo either since he hasn't been a wagon that I recall.
He also treated me differently. He said he really didn't think I'd flip scum and Moosy was a better lynch. He never looked like he was willing to lynch me until I was inactive.
If me and disfo are same alignment, why would he treat us differently when we were under suspicion? Bah
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