EPT"....other than actually giving four early reads (360/361) and asking Moosy..."
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"....other than actually giving four early reads (360/361) and asking Moosy..." | ||
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I mean if VE is town or if the entire game is going to town read him based on meta, I'm just going to put him in his own category (and not lynch him obviously) until I can understand the guy better or find a valid reason to rule him as mafia by process of elimination. I'm reading Trfel's case and the only issue is that he doesn't explicitly say "this guy is mafia" or "this guy is a mafia lean" but from reading his case (particularly the final sentence), he's inferring a mafia lean, so I could pick that up. Again, same question to you Scott that I asked of geript, how are you determining that Trfel just isn't ignorant of VE's play and Trfel's play is actually mafia play? If people are not understanding what I'm trying to ask here then look at where I asked geript the same question because I looked at the database as well and a few Trfel games and I can't understand the basis for that read. | ||
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On November 17 2015 00:57 scott31337 wrote: From my side, I see it more as trying to throw some really weak non-sticky turds and see if the townies will bite and run with it - It failed. Did you get anything out from VE or Trfel on it though? Ignoring anyone's meta reads, VE doesn't seem so towny to me, and now I see his last post prior to voting Fecalfeast saying oh he wasn't so serious (cereal, I'm assuming) so now it goes back to Trfel to follow up on this. Even then I'm looking at VE's post and that reason to lynch Fecalfeast over MoosyDoosy and honestly my first reaction to that is WTF. On Trfel, I did not see anything malicious and especially if Trfel cannot read VE then I'd say a slight town lean but apparently geript has some extra piece of information that I'm clearly not seeing to say otherwise (to be fair we do agree on Moosy and ritoky so far and his opening on Farah was towny, so...) | ||
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On November 17 2015 02:04 disformation wrote: I am here... kinda. Huge headache...  Still caught up to stuff an will start answering a few things. But before that: townread for NocturneMage. I like his posts so far and he looks really different from NSM13 (where he was maffay). Can you comment on Trfel vs VE? There was one post where I asked you a question about Trfel and you (unlike geript and scott) are not in a position to meta him or VE. You said he had a strange reaction so what jumped out at you? Also what do you make of MoosyDoosy so far? I know at the very least you have played at least one game with him (possibly more?) I was mafia in newbie 13, you both were town. | ||
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On November 17 2015 04:19 Trfel wrote: Why is that not a good read to make? Please explain this to me yourself, don't quote someone else. I thought the read was self explanatory but I'll reword it so that it's clear - making a comment about "general activity" one hour into the game - basically a small timeframe when we have a 48 hour cycle, is not a good assessment. She did comment on tone but people's tone can change. Also on the topic of Farah, I also want to point out her read on ritoky. He is coming across to me as pretty strong town, but... On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either. What about him is making you doubt your read? (at Farah, not Trfel) | ||
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I took no issue with Breshke's filter so far from his reads alone. 333 and 377 (at least the first half) would warrant a town lean. 386 indicates he doesn't care what ritoky thinks. Alright. Here's where the potential problem comes in. I checked his posts relative to events in the thread. He asks a question about Trfel but as far as I can tell doesn't take a stance on Trfel, and I can go either way on that depending on what he would have done with that question. He doesn't take a stance on geript or VE but he talks about them "grilling" the Shining. Now here's the issue, geript is heavily involved in the game, VE is heavily involved in the game, Moosy had a really bad post before his response on the Shining to ritoky but that goes either missed or ignored. So this leads me to think Breshke is playing a "safe" game or might be taking that approach, and not wanting to draw attention/ruffle feathers/whatever you want to call it is a scum trait. I'm not familiar with how he plays the game so my read could just be way off target, but just looking at context alone, I have some concern he is focusing on the wrong things for the wrong reasons. (yes I checked the database, he's not inexperienced either) So I think until I see more from him on especially people being discussed as lynchables, I think it's a scumlean for him. thoughts? | ||
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I mean seriously that post on Fecalfeast was bad. Not commenting on Moosy and saying everything else was good....bad. I'm curious to hear his response to this. As for Trfel, he clearly shows he believes in this and the statements he is making are backed up by both experience (Part 3), which is a town trait. | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote: I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. I've had just enough experience playing and observing Scott to say that his play so far is not alignment indicative. I think I observed one game and he mentioned some shit about getting mislynched because of a new job, and I know his list posts as town generally aren't informative or earth-shattering or whatever descriptor you want to use. In Newbie 12, everyone wanted to lynch him for his list posts/low-activity except for one player who kept screaming that voting analysis cleared him (and it did). In Newbie 13, he was forced to claim because his town play was quite scummy. Now in Firefly he posted more but that might have been availability dependent. I remember trying to read him before though and he isn't a very active player in general. If there's not much more by the end of day then I'd probably move him down. | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:33 Trfel wrote: Eh..... Breshke has a playstyle much like my own. He doesn't post very much, he doesn't lead the thread or push things, but when he says something, it's generally really really insightful and helpful. Breshke's only made four posts so far this game. The first post was a very good catch, and something that I'm definitely keeping in mind. I do like his read on The Shining, as well. He's also right in that The Shining's "statement of activity" isn't alignment indicative, because The Shining is extremely defensive (even as town) and posts that every single game he plays. So, his first post is insightful, as is his second post. His third post explains his second post (responding to ritoky's question), and his fourth post is a joke. I'm not really sure what you're getting at? Am I misunderstanding your post? I don't see how you can say that a player with only four posts is playing "safe" or not? So let me re-word this. It's not activity that makes him safe. It's his activity within the context of the thread. Let me break it down. So what you need to do is go to where Breshke is commenting as other events are happening in the thread. Why does he focus on a Shining meta when especially in your eyes VE has done much worse and been more active. As in why does he focus on one event but not another? How does he miss Moosy who is quite scummy with his entrance? Look at the placement of the posts relative to the thread. That's what I'm saying. Again, I could be off target, if your experience on him is correct. It's not something that would have me pushing his lynch but it makes me question where his focus or how his focus is directed. Am I making sense here? | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got No read on geript? Or Shining? | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote: So you're saying that Breshke is suspicious because he's not focusing on the important things in the thread, at the time that he was there? I guess my question back to you is, how do you determine what the important things in the thread are? Isn't that a matter of opinion? I'll take a look at the context again, this kind of read is definitely valid and can be very powerful, but it's also extremely subjective, which makes it so, so difficult to apply correctly. You have a point with the second sentence but when you read Breshke's filter, he talks about geript and VE "grilling" him. So he mentions them at the very least. It can be assumed that he's at least read and he makes a read on Shining but fails to take a stance on geript and VE. Now, I realise there are a lot of Americans in this game and maybe the word "grilling" has a different meaning or a different context to some people but he clearly has an opinion on what is happening but doesn't focus on VE one way whereas other people are. He even says geript taunts him (post 377) but doesn't focus further. Like in his world, something should have tipped him off. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. MoosyDoosy was not quite as active so he might get a pass if he may have failed to notice but | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Trfel stop failing and find mafia. Can you explain your read on Fecalfeast? | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone else sees, that I'm town and winning, is making you look slow. You're not a slow guy are you Trfel? ![[image loading]](http://www.facepalm.de/images/facepalm.jpg) | ||
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