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On November 24 2015 03:32 disformation wrote:
I shadowed Onegu. He likes to play scum much more than town. Therefore he tries to switch up his meta every few games so it is hard to read him. He also was town and not very active in the game I shadowed him, but he was way more useful than in this game so far...
Don't think I have enough experience with him to correctly meta/read him off of that though...
as scum, does he "pretend" to be useful? or is he easily caught with how bad his questions/posting is? has he ever just done nothing as scum?
and you mentioned he always tries to switch meta, so who knows....
that question is for anyone here that is familiar with onegu's play, not just you.
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forget it, there's only an hour left. league can wait until after deadline....
actually no, scratch that. my wife will be home by then. fuck.
do you have anything for us onegu?
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sorry to hear you aren't well though. hopefully you do get better soon.
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On November 24 2015 03:54 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 03:23 NocturneMage wrote:also disformation I would think the moderators made a mistake with Onegu and his vote. he can surely vote if Damdred did last cycle  So five on onegu with 3 not voting yet. Onegu, if you are town, you had better at least provide us some information from your perspective. I have reasons to lynch both ritoky and trfel (trfel having had more time to resolve them) if the concerns go unresolved but from what fecalfeast alluded earlier, you don't post much as town? at least some list post on who you think the scum taking advantage of your absence are.... I will speed read but I dont really have anything other than the person who said it didnt look like I was scum from my entrance looked really weird. I and remember it came from someone I had actually played with multiple times before and that actually mad no sense to me. As to why he would say something like that about me.
let's see if I can help find that.
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On November 24 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote:
Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing?
Your predecessor I had a mild scumread on but as time wore on, most people had her as a complete null/coin flip. so the short answer to your question is no. right now everyone or nearly everyone is wanting or willing to lynch you. I personally have two individuals I have concerns on right now (ritoky and trfel) with a third (fecalfeast) that I really need to re-check.
and deadline I feel for you Americans might be why no one is around. 8pm for me but still early for you people.
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On November 24 2015 03:59 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 03:55 NocturneMage wrote:On November 24 2015 03:54 Onegu wrote:On November 24 2015 03:23 NocturneMage wrote:also disformation I would think the moderators made a mistake with Onegu and his vote. he can surely vote if Damdred did last cycle So five on onegu with 3 not voting yet. Onegu, if you are town, you had better at least provide us some information from your perspective. I have reasons to lynch both ritoky and trfel (trfel having had more time to resolve them) if the concerns go unresolved but from what fecalfeast alluded earlier, you don't post much as town? at least some list post on who you think the scum taking advantage of your absence are.... I will speed read but I dont really have anything other than the person who said it didnt look like I was scum from my entrance looked really weird. I and remember it came from someone I had actually played with multiple times before and that actually mad no sense to me. As to why he would say something like that about me. let's see if I can help find that. Just found it on page 79 it was FF
I can't find that on page 79? a search on onegu in Fecal's filter gives me this:
On November 21 2015 09:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
Onegu claim immediately
On November 21 2015 10:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Onegu, where art thou?
On November 21 2015 11:20 Fecalfeast wrote:Gonna ping this out every so often because I'm getting worried. Maybe he's reading the entire game and coming in to blow scum out of the water
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On November 24 2015 04:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 04:00 disformation wrote:On November 24 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote:
Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing?
Uh... no? ... damn. Yeah then this is scums preferred lynch. Look for people that were completely null the whole game on me then were like fuck it we just lynch onegu and then peaced out.
quite honestly....that's a lot of people. at least three. trfel, ritoky, fecalfeast, at least three. right now only two scum left.
so that doesn't fully help. ritoky sheeped damdred and damdred is the uncounterclaimed vet.
Shining hasn't voted yet.
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On November 24 2015 04:06 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 13:50 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 21 2015 13:41 Onegu wrote:Onegu VT claim. Onegu hasnt read anything and wont until tomorrow. ##Vote Damdred + Show Spoiler + Actually this makes me think he hasn't seen a scum QT. Obviously to be taken tongue in cheek but still.
tongue in cheek.....might have been dicking around, but the only thing he's consistently pinged you for is activity.
Trfel has a case on him, do you think it's coming from town? and his insistence that fecalfeast is mafia?
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On November 24 2015 04:09 Trfel wrote:
##vote Fecalfeast
I really hate how Onegu came back an hour from End of Day. After vanishing for so long. But he's still Onegu, and I'm still almost positive that Fecalfeast is mafia.
can you at least for the love of everything that is good talk about Fecalfeast's activity THIS CYCLE and why he's still mafia? why is he mafia based on things he's done THIS CYCLE?
also "still being onegu" isn't a valid reason to townread him after you said "onegu is probably mafia" (post 1677)
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never mind you answered in your previous post. hold on.
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post 1534
On November 21 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
NM/ever/trfel are the easy, low hanging fruit since none of them voted breshke. If we ignore ever for the moment because she obviously missed the entire day rather than consciously voting off wagon AND we go with the trfel is hard aligning with scum and therefore not scum, there HAS to be scum on breshke's wagon. Which leaves shining and ritoky and disform.
YUCK
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On November 22 2015 09:57 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote:
This whole game makes me want to lynch ff and trfel sorta. Its hard Is this an association thing? If you lynched me and I flipped town would you still lynch trfel? Why or why not?
post 1635
On November 22 2015 10:54 Fecalfeast wrote:I have to check shining's scum games because he seems pretty noice to me but I don't remember what he's like as scum. So from battle of the drams, the shining was a very reactive, conversational person. A lot of replies to posts with hardly any cases or original ideas. This is from a cursory look at his filter out of context bear in mind. Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 06:42 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 06:34 marvellosity wrote:
for example.
I just read TheShining's filter.
It kinda looks ok.
But what's in it?
A semi push on coolTLname. I basically can't find another suspicion.
Is this supposed to be townie? Why the fuck are you misrepresenting me? I questioned Moosy and am still on the fence about him, never changed him but it helped that he shared my view on CoolTL. I was thinking LS could be scum but unless he's bussing D1, cool and LS can't be scum together. And my points on cool are stronger than my suspicion on LS so my vote is staying where its at. How is that just a semi push on cool with no other suspicion? Mind you, I've already said multiple times and its common knowledge that I don't really have time to get online Monday/Tuesday, so I've done what I can with my time up until now. It doesn't help that I'm stuck phone posting today. stuff liek this where someone expresses a minor dislike for his filter he gets instantly defensive. compared to this game Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:58 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 05:52 geript wrote:
I don't like Shining. He feels really different; not because he's posting a bit more than I remember him. His posting just seems off and not pointed to me. You're just mad that my first scum win was against you while I was super lurky. It's OK, I understand. Please explain what you mean by not pointed? I'm asking questions to flesh out my reads, since nothing else is happening for me to read/react on. Also, since you bring up my posting frequency, you should know that my activity depends heavily on what day of the week it is and how busy work is. I almost never have time to play on Monday/Tuesday and today is Sunday so I want to get the most out of my playing time today. Same sentiment, "you're misrepresenting me and I can only be around on certain days." but notice in the first quote, shining seems extra upset and brings up the things he's already done. After he replies to geript this game, he even follows it up Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:06 The Shining wrote:
Like right now a bunch of posts and discussion have appeared and yet, just like I said, Eversince voted Farrah, mentioned no one else and is now gone. I don't like that because it's exactly what scum Eversince did when she came into thread last game.
And VE you claim a lot of people posted already so here's a list for you.
Scott, Moosy, Breshke, nocturne, ritoky, Trfel. Half the game still hasn't shown up so saying "so many" have posted and i should have townreads is just discrediting me and my playstyle. And fecal has made useless posts. Disformation asked a pointless question about FF just waking up, as if its alignment indicative and a joke vote proposal on voting Scott. These things are early enough for me to find them null until I see what they actually do. He's further explaining himself and his position while responding to other concerns from VE.
Without going through each filter post by post, have a look at shining's last scum game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=The Shining&view=allAlmost every post is either summarizing someone's post in different words or asking simple questions. Compare that to this game where shining has made multiple large posts, he argues very openly with ritoky while in his scum game where the second anyone starts scumming him he gets all buttmad and pouty. Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:47 The Shining wrote:
Probably the shittiest 20 or so pages I've had to read in this game. If you think I'm scum, just lynch me so you can keep cool around as the biggest question mark that avoided two lynches and lose the game tomorrow.
While you're at it, you can explain how scum Shining has been trying to bus scum cool since D1, since you have him as scum, rayn and Rels. Makes a lot of fucking sense. You too, Moosy. I should be looked into if cool is scum? When I've been trying to bury him for softing me as scum D2 and then never doing anything about it?
And Damdred is right, I begin to start looking at Trfels filter and starting to hash things out with RSo regarding her suspicion of him and he comes back with this huge case based on meta and what he thinks I should be doing with my time. I don't even want to waste my time with a little over an hour before EoD so I'll only cover some of the bigger points. Then you can ask me w.e you want. Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 06:41 The Shining wrote:
Welp gg town we lost. I don't even really care, I stopped caring for this game after the BS cool flip. I had every expectation of getting lynched today but I couldn't be assed to play the last few days cuz of IRL shit.
I do believe we got fucked this game because of the Damdred cc and weird balance but w.e. I'm pretty glad this game is going to be over soon anyway, too much BM from different people but I won't point any fingers. There was a reason why I left TL for a while. GG.
So based on filter comparisons between one scum game and this game, the shining's tone and reactions to pressure seem much more towny this game. Though I guess he hasn't been under much significant pressure this game.
posts 1635, 1645, 1646 is him trying to eliminate me as a scumread.
basically from these he's appearing to narrow the game down a bit. why do you think these posts not come from town?
trfel that first question is for you.
onegu, are you saying that what he's doing (above) falls below expectations of what he does as town?
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On November 24 2015 04:26 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2015 04:20 disformation wrote:On November 24 2015 04:18 Onegu wrote:On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote:FecalfeastHere the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny...
Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet
I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure.
town:
ritoky
trfel
nocturne
mafia:
moose
ve
that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him why? He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
##unvote
I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote:On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote:
Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now?
Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future? VE went from scum to null but sure. What are you even asking here? "FF you gonna keep playing?" You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them. I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all. How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy? Anyway, off to my exam. I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo.
Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him.
2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday.
3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring.
On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge.
*assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town- Disformation from mafia to null (?) for this post
- VisceraEyes from mafia to null due to interacting with him
- MoosyDoosy town for being completely obnoxious
- Backs off on Trfel because he is angry
Furthermore, all of these are really, really weak. One by one: The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch targetFecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically: - MoosyDoosy is scum
- MoosyDoosy could do this as town
- I'm going to vote MoosyDoosy just because
- Scott31337 could be mafia, I could lynch him
- MoosyDoosy should be dealt with sooner rather than later
- Votes for scott31337 at deadline
Which makes no sense. Fecalfeast doesn't are at all about his vote. And why should he, when it's between two town players? 3. Other factorsI don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. ConclusionFecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. Meh, waffling on the day one lynch when 2 town and he is scum, what motivation does he have to do that. I would actually give him town points on that. But the only taking easy reads point does have merit, I caught koshi before as scum because he was doing that. Dont really get the other factor thing. Yeah. I have a similar problem. It is a bit supsicious, but I just can see how that makes FF 100% slamdunk mafia... Do you honestly think that Fecalfeast is trying to solve the game? D1 and D2, no. D3 yes.
Agreed, see my previous post Trfel look at the quotes I just put up.
you think that stuff comes from mafia and if so why?
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On November 24 2015 04:28 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 04:26 Onegu wrote:
Well I am going to make lunch be back in like 10 min. I made homemade Barbacoa that has been in the crock pot since 8pm last night. Shit is going to be so fucking good. I am F5ing this shit like and mad, trying to think of a solution I am comfortable with and you, on the verge of being lynched, are like "whatever, lets grab some epic food, cya losers." -.-
I want to see Trfel's response but either way what is worrying is that no one else is around and the votes aren't there to switch to anyone else. and Shining hasn't voted.
disformation, he said he was leaving for only 10 min, still another 20 to EoD.
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do you know how to read ritoky? let me link a few things...
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On November 24 2015 04:35 disformation wrote:
Oh wait, didn't ticktoc say the deadline might be a bit later today? This might save our asses.
that's a big fat no. I cohosted the last game with BH. even if hosts have to delay their end of cycle post, no votes will count after the deadline.
so if deadline is at 2100 your time, shining votes at 2115, and mods don't post their shit until 2130, shining is still late.
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On November 23 2015 17:02 Tictock wrote:
It appears as though both LoneMeow and myself have things going on today, as such Night post may be delayed by up to 30 min.
Please bare with us as I will be getting the post up as soon as I am able. As always Votes made after deadline will not be counted.
Also please remember that you may track Votes via the tracker (link in all my Vote Count posts), though it may not be 100% accurate. In case the number of official Vote Counts are lacking.
I was right. fuck.
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Onegu has 5 votes now.
if we unvote, he still has 3, we need minimum 4 votes to take anyone else out right now. Onegu can vote anyone to save himself, but we still are short one more.
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if you need to re-read the full conversation it was like pages 70-74 or something but I also told fecalfeast earlier Shining was much more towny than ritoky in that exchange.
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