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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 21:11 GMT
#1441
On November 21 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:
Also ritoky was trying to push for trfel over Breshke earlier D2...


On November 20 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 07:03 disformation wrote:
ritoky can you explain why you want to lynch trfel?


2 reasons primarily:

1) The following sentence is probably the most awkward/scummy sentence in the entire thread.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?

This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.

Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.

Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.

He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.

So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?

I don't like this one bit.


2) Trfel procedurally understands the game enough to not push relentlessly on an uncc'd blue. There's a difference between "I scum read this person for a couple posts to make sure they hold their claim" and what he was doing. He was legitimately applying pressure. I had begun to consider the tinfoil world where he might be doctor, but damdred enters the game maintains the claim, and he backs off. So it wasn't cc based, it wasn't good play, so it was probably just mafia.

Reasons why I greatly prefer trfel to breshke:

1) I think trfel has done mafia things, I don't think breshke has done much of anything. Breshke is in the pile of ff and ever of not doing anything to significantly impact the game and 1 or 2 of them are probably mafia.

2) 1 of the primary reasons for people pushing breshke (geript's isolated questions and blah blah read) was just factually false.

3) I don't think trfel and breshke are together and I think trfel is mafia. I say this primarily because of setup. It is a set-up with only a 50% chance of having investigative power and a guaranteed GF. This means that distancing and busing are more optimal than hard defense and aligning; and trfel has been REALLY defending breshke (like since p1 of his filter defending) pretty much all game. I think both trfel and breshke are good enough players to recognize that about the setup and I sincerely doubt that trfel hard defends his partner so early. Probably a case of mafia trying to pocket town.

imo lynch pool right now should be something like:
trfel - reasons above
ever - already said why
ff - hasn't shit town rainbow yet, disengaged
shining - same as before + extra dropoff + not scum hunting.

disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 21:12 GMT
#1442
Also:
Holy fuck! geript gave us 4 meta reads D1 and it looks like every single one of them is correct.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 20 2015 21:25 GMT
#1443
You know, I'm remembering Trfel not wanting Vig to claim. I was tinfoiling for a while that he was Vig and didn't want to give himself up yet but Moosy has been unCCd for quite some time, there is no way he isn't the Vig unless our Vig is brain dead.

He also, like ritoky said in that post, backed off of Damdreds claim. But he seemed really adamant about the Vig not claiming. I can't think of any scum motivation for Trfel to do that. Even though it made sense and helps town to have the Vig claim immediately, it feels more townie than scummy to tell him not to. I'm taking Trfel off my poe.

Oh and look. I AM still in ritokys lynchpool.

Ritoky and 1 of ES/FF. Damdred and Moosy are blue. I have a really tough time finding mafia motivation in any of NMs posts. I think Breshke spewed disfo town. Trfel likely frustrated angry town. That's what poe leaves me with.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 21:29 GMT
#1444
On November 21 2015 06:25 The Shining wrote:
Ritoky and 1 of ES/FF. Damdred and Moosy are blue. I have a really tough time finding mafia motivation in any of NMs posts. I think Breshke spewed disfo town. Trfel likely frustrated angry town. That's what poe leaves me with.


Quoted for truth.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 20 2015 21:48 GMT
#1445
Can you show me where disf got spewed town though I think he's town.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 21:48 GMT
#1446
Can we just lynch all three and win then? I will gladly sacrifice myself to the dark gods
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 21:58 GMT
#1447
On November 21 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote:
Can you show me where disf got spewed town though I think he's town.


Uh, that is actually a good question. Went trough breshke's filter real fast and wasn't able to find it.
Looked more like he ignored me for a very long time, asks me 1-2 questions and decides to call me scum.

Well, whatever, I am still very town and agree with The Shinings post.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 20 2015 22:11 GMT
#1448
I guess spewed town was the wrong phrasing. But he had pretty much no interaction with him and then lumped him in with Farrah as a scumread. I just assumed he was leaving his options open for the ML. It feels very unlikely he was setting up a disfo bus, which makes me think he knew disfo was town
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 20 2015 22:14 GMT
#1449
But isn't it a good scum strategy to soft push a scum partner and basically ignore him without interacting?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 22:16 GMT
#1450
If ever is a blue and scum is fakeclaiming right now I'm gonna laugh so hard...
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2015 22:20 GMT
#1451
wow, slept through 2 alarms i set....jesus i was tired
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 20 2015 22:20 GMT
#1452
It's something I've considered but highly unlikely
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 20 2015 22:33 GMT
#1453
Mmm. This is true. I could just be reading it wrong. No real way of knowing if he'd ever really lynch disfo either since he hasn't been a wagon that I recall.

He also treated me differently. He said he really didn't think I'd flip scum and Moosy was a better lynch. He never looked like he was willing to lynch me until I was inactive.

If me and disfo are same alignment, why would he treat us differently when we were under suspicion? Bah
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2015 22:34 GMT
#1454
cool, looks like after damdred finally solved my read on him; i have finally solved his read on me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 20 2015 22:38 GMT
#1455
Fecal, that would make me cry. Lots.

Ritoky what does that mean? Pretend English isn't my native language.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2015 22:42 GMT
#1456
previously to my last game, i had never once gottent damdred's alignment wrong. last game i got it wrong for like 4 or 5 days straight (figured it out at the end tho). he has never gotten my alignment wrong either, so him calling me mafia makes me happy in a sense cuz i think i figured it out finally.

we have a sick soul read on eachother.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2015 22:48 GMT
#1457
ritoky is mafia for lynching mafia

ritoky is mafia for coming around on trfel and lynching mafia too late

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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 22:55 GMT
#1458
Well, if you are not maffay. Who is?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2015 22:56 GMT
#1459
so it's actually like 98% impossible disformation is ever mafia, maybe even 99%
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
November 20 2015 22:58 GMT
#1460
I still don't understand. So you guys have a sick soulread on each other, never been wrong. Are you saying he's wrong here? What exactly did you figure out from that?

And what about the Scott stuff I brought up a while back that others have pinged on as well? And thinking I'm scum/lynchable all game but doing nothing about it?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
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