Student Mafia XVI - Page 2

On October 19 2015 06:19 Eversince wrote:


You. Your not worth a lynch. Not playing the game sadly doesn't make you scum. Refusing to give a reason to have the reads you have might but until you actually start playing that might be difficult to figure out.

On October 19 2015 06:29 Eversince wrote:


Oh, so you did. Sorry I must have missed it while I was typing. See how hard was that? If you had just posted that in the first place we could of had saved us a lot of time. My problem wasn't that you were absent. It's that you came back to the thread, popped up a terrible 3'rd post and then had an issue that anyone dare call you out for it.

On October 19 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm waiting on scott really till i move forward.

If you want to talk about something else then fire away.

On October 19 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of want to be lynched just to see boxerfred's reaction. Him thinking he can read me off of one game is pretty funny.

On October 18 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:


(4)KelsierSC can't do this as town:



Kelsier is a very logical player, saying something this bad as town isn't his fashion.

On October 20 2015 04:59 Rels wrote:
COME ON
FLIP SCUM

On October 20 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:

People pointed that post out already but I think the really interesting thing here is that this is the vote that hammered scott. sicklucker said he'd be up for shennanies and he was around at EoD - so it wasn't just dumping the vote on scott but it was the vote that did not get Eversince hanged.

Thing is that he pushes Kelsier, backs off, does nothing, sheeps the biggest wagon. I understand that the unvote of Kelsier makes sense, town should re-evaluate. But the lack of participation and the "I do nothing" sheep of Rels is bullshit. I mean the guy isn't active for most of the day then comes in only to say this and back out again? I don't get it. Tbh that's bad scum play as well as bad town play. I expect more D2.

Eversince looks bad but I think it's a "bad town" category of bad and not a scum thing. That brings me to Farah who I insta-townread for the case on Eversince, I think it's decent, well-written and logical. Such a case isn't made by a newbie D1 on a scum partner. So it's either town!Eversince and town!Farah or town!Eversince and scum!Farah or scum!Eversince and town!Farah. We should keep that in mind, if one of them flips scum, the other one is pretty much confirmed town.
The conversation on p37 between Kelsier and Eversince is also quite interesting. Makes Eversince looks bad, again. The only thing ES has going for him is the effort he puts in, I don't think scum needs to do this after the flip happened.

Also I want to put more pressure on Moosy but he didn't spam up the thread anymore and caught decent things such as this.


I'll refrain from my scum read for now. I actually think Moosy is doing a better job by now.

Here are my reads mirrored in the final vote count:



It is very well possible that scum hides between MD/FF/LM, no matter if both wagons are town or the Eversince wagon was targeted at scum. Since I said above that I refrain from my MD scumread, in this scenario most likely scum should be hidden between FF/LM/ES, pushing the mislynch that town people started.

The one guy voting outside of both wagons (to simply stay unreadable?) would be sicklucker. Wouldn't be bad scum play I think since basically voting outside the wagons is NAI (at least as long as we do not know both flips) - I don't have a strong scumread on him but I don't have a townread as well so yeah. I don't want to let go of the theory of sicklucker being scum and voting outside but the fact that he asked for shennanies says to me that he should be leaned town.

I have a gut feeling on Shining that I need to feed with arguments. Maybe I'll change my thoughts towards him but as of now, I got a scumlean on him. Same goes for FecalFeast, my reads on those two aren't fed with strong facts but are more a gut (and low activity/filler posts) thingy.

Concluding, I think it's very likely that we have two scum members on the scott wagon. The wagon went off decently and was not fought too hard, although the lynch was kind of close.

On October 21 2015 04:58 sicklucker wrote:
anyway im shooting someone

On October 21 2015 05:36 boxerfred wrote:
fecal your top scum read right now?

On October 20 2015 02:28 Vonthin wrote:
Day 1 reads has always been the hardest for me, my first newbie game I got lynched Day 1 as town for posting like this, the other game I completed my Day 1 posting was also weak. You can go and look.

As for liking Meow I don't see any scum motivation behind the posts. I understand the logic behind them and what he was trying to accomplish by trying to get reads on people and to trap BF that one time, I just don't see mafia doing that D1.

As for Scott I don't think he was trying to scum up the thread at all in his posts, I don't think being lynched for inactivity day 1(unless they didn't post at all or vote but they would get mod killed anyways) isn't worth it because if they get lynched it doesn't give us much info to go on depending on the result since he has given us so little information which would give the scum an advantage and it would be like playing day 1 all over again unless we get lucky and he is actually scum. Day 2 he does the same thing then you can go for him.

Anyways I'm off for class, not sure I will be back before deadline so my vote will be for Ever

##Vote: Eversince

On October 19 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:
my moosy read sucks I agree but I still think he's scum, boom. he's doing the same spammy shit he did when we played together. kelsier/farah town. sicklucker hasn't done batshit but oneliners but if i remember correctly, it's not scum indicative for him. dunnno how kelsier townreads him off of that but he does. eversince's post on kelsier is shit, those quotations are kinda standalone and feel tryhard. that makes me townread him.

##vote lonemeow

Enters thread in defense of GB, then votes kelsier for no reason. Goes on to interact with Rels, doesn't follow up.


This is constructed bullshit. In the context of that conversation, start of D1, there's no way for that kind of thinking. It's constructed and puts pressure on KSC for the sake of, well, pressuring, while still leaving the vote without any reasons. Stirring up chaos and setting up a potential mislynch.


So he provoked a reaction from Kelsier. Now that the wagon kind of started, he's nowhere to be seen. So all we have is a push on kelsier because "well I can and a vote is pressure". That feels like scum stirring up chaos to me.

On October 19 2015 04:21 boxerfred wrote:
Disclaimer: I haven't read deeply into the thread. I skimmed up to this point. This is going to be gut heavy.

First up, going to bring up the one serious interaction I'm in:


Yes I'd have rather rolled scum or at least blue. It's (spare last newbie game where I co-hosted) the 3rd or 4th consecutive VT game for me. I don't love the guessing in this game, I love the lying. Obviously I prefer playing scum. Also I think I'm better at scum. Last game I was scum in was actually the game that got a 3 game ban to sicklucker because I was tryhard not conceding as the last scum. Good times. Let's get constructive now:

Thus far there's nothing too good to be had. Kelsier is way too active to have rolled scum again given how he reacted last Student Mafia to being scum. MoosyDoosy can be town or scum. I can't read him at all. Gut says "lynch before he misleads town", brain says lynching the (most likely to be) most active player in the game is bullshit.

I recommend to not let Shining slip off the radar. He asks lots of specific questions to specific players, thus far me, scott, kelsier, while the rest seems to be banter such as this:



I think that can very well be scum pretending to be constructive.

Also I see that while MoosyDoosy pushed me, GB insta-defended me. Given they joked around about being scum before (as a resemblence to their last game were they were indeed scum together if I understood correctly) it's a behaviour that might be tying them together. Since afaik BH randomizes roles, how high are the chances that exactly the same constellation is happening again? I don't think so. I can see one of them being scum but not both. I don't know what that is worth but I feel like we should keep that in mind. Chances are they are both town but I don't think so. MD pushed me hard, knowing I'm not the most active player. Can be scum pushing a mislynch (he did so already in the one game we played together). MD is my top scum read atm.

Farah feels town to me.



This feels genuine. Running out of time (also my finger hurts as fuck) so I'll be gone for another hour or two.

On October 19 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote:
Moosy/scott interaction is also interesting because of this:



I don't think this is a scum interaction. Moosy pushes me, scott nullifies that plus points out negative things in moosy's playstyle. So I don't think at all they are mafia together. Scott keeps it up:



Pressure, questions, and then he drops it:



And now he disappears. I mean I can see the things on scott but I can't imagine scum scott and scum moosy interacting in that way that early in the game, it just doesn't make sense. So I'd say we have scum in between moosy/scott but I wouldn't say both are scum. I townread kels and I clearly townread rels from what I see so i'm glad to help on that wagon.

##unvote ##vote scott12345

On October 18 2015 23:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Game is not going well...

On October 20 2015 03:31 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually won't be able to catch up, I have a lot to do.

Skimmed a little bit. I'm not sure what to do with Kelsier's answers, it felt townie to me, but I find weird that he says there is at least one mafia between me, shining and moosy but never really pushes any of us effectively - instead, he goes against scott. But overall, his posts has town vibes in it.

Scott came bad to the thread and I agree with the suspicions brought on him.

I don't wish to lynch Eversince since I didn't read his posts. I don't think he is one to be lynched today due to activity, either.

As my knowledge of this ongoing game is limited, I'd go against lurkers. I hate fecal feast/sicklucker wasting their votes. If one of them is mafia, both wagons are town.

That said, I want to vote sicklucker for his lackluster push on LoneMeow. If people don't want to, I'd vote FF. Since I don't think Eversince should be lynched today, I am voting the alternate wagon that did a scummy think.

##unvote
##vote: Scott31337

BUT I PREFER TO LYNCH SICKLUCKER OR FECALFEAST FOR WASTING THEIR VOTES
If people is willing to do so, let me know

On October 20 2015 03:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I think a townie can only be very tunneled and keeping his vote on someone if they constantly try to convince the rest of town to vote with him. A tunneled person can never be this passive.

And a town not sure if his scum read would be voting one of the main wagobs right now.

I'm voting Sicklucker

##Unvote
##Vote: sicklucker

On October 20 2015 14:21 GlowingBear wrote:
My drunk senses says that sicklucker is totes mafia
And that FF might be town.

Maybe