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On October 22 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote: ##Vote yamato77 Cause he complained about flavour. Because you feel he tried too hard to say something funny, and is therefore making a noticeable effort to try and blend in, or because you consider any anti chocolate agenda heresy? also I'm thinking of a general strategy to kickstart this thing and skip the banter. It usually involves getting on the nerves of some prickly dude. not a bad idea ##vote vivax | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:19 Vivax wrote: That's ballsy gumbro me no play long time / : I'm all pent up, but aside from that, it wasn't ballsy at all. You set the value of the vote. That value is equivalent to that of a hat. Atm voting for someone is the equivalent of storing your hat on a rack. Basically for the first day we all have awesome racks but shitty hats. As the game goes on, our racks will deteriorate, the wood changing from fine oak to base mahogany, but our hats shall grow in splendor. Soon they will be both outlandish and dignified. Not just one flavor, but two in conjunction. Chocolate and Vannila in perfect harmony. Vivax would you consider yourself a prickly dude? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote: BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) | ||
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I don't think hes anything atm, were just talking, and hes a cozy rack. Specifically I get the sense hes trying to create discussion keep it on point, but hes good enough to do that either way / : let ya know if something changes : P | ||
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On October 22 2015 07:00 Xatalos wrote: Well I think it's better than the standard "hi" / "I'm town" openings  Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia? if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town." not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / : | ||
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On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote: "From the get go" --> I wasn't particularly thinking of using RNG, but it's one of my most useful tools for hunting and lynching scum. I'd say I use it more often than not nowadays when I play. When the game started, I was like "you know what would be great here? Given the setup and the player list, this is perfect for RNG" and then I did it. "pre written" --> I copied/pasted it from the last time I used RNG, then filled in the names and list size from this game. The second RNG post where I announced the result, I also copied/pasted, so in a sense, yes, this was prewritten "when did you think of random tl tag info?" --> I first thought of this idea in September of 2013, and I used it for the first time in November 2013. Since then I've used it probably 5-10 times in games here on TL. "would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game) oks : D thanks for answers. | ||
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On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: this. this is a big post of nonsense. this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere. I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote: at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post. I ether try super duper hard hard in games and edit/wot to the max, or I just sort of sit there thinking about posting but dont. It's not paticularly alignment indicative, but I usually try harder as town then maf, so in my case the post really is more of a town tell, a showing of effort, meticulousness and a desire to be funny is actually a good sign of townshoe / : | ||
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Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. Plus I think BH doesnt actually think theres gonna be an rng lynch, his post is just a way to look daring plus active as ethier alignment. I wasnt a fan of him becoming entrenched as town based of something pretty neutral, the reason I posted was because I felt it wasnt obvius that his rng theory was neutral. Rng play is a risky one for scum, but if you assume town wont go for it and are just feigning the play to build filter, then it's totally neutral. | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote: gumshoe you need to work on your tldr. TL;DR: BH's RNG post=null See how that works? I like words. | ||
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Remember that time you tunneled me until I swore on my life? Then got drunk and imploded? (taking koshi along with you) pretty sure you mislynched me twice as well. my memories of you are not particularly pleasant overall ) : Ritoky- his argument vs me was fine, he hasnt played much vs me so the things he pointed out are reasonable, I also liked his confidence over Bh. Generally hes to the point, and decicive. Reads to me as confident town. Chrom- dont like how he went after ritoky when ritoky was just rolling perception plus charisma. I wasn't being particularly townie at the time yet he seemed confident that ritoky was needlessly pouncing / : could be insider knowledge? Also his start is kinda awkward. Reading as scummy. Still leaving my vote on vivax though, because he has the superior rack, | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:24 Hopeless1der wrote: I found some for you: brb wank break 30 seconds later back. | ||
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He probally keyed into my own nervousness because of his own good state of play. That doesn't proportionately make chrom scummier but his weird xata exchange comes off as shallow and pointless. That in conjunction with his pounce on rit are making his rack more attractive by the second. | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: like if gumshoe is mafia here am i not supposed to say anything on him because i was "mean to him" in another game or what? historically you are usually wrong about my active play. That does and should make a difference in how people consider your inevitable/doomed and or scummy tunnel of me. | ||
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On October 22 2015 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: And because of that you are allowed to say that every time from back then and now on and i can't call you mafia? fine. Who do you think is scum? No,simply that you should acknowledge that your bad at reading my alignment when im actually playing / : similar to how I'm actually shit at catching mafia in general. Historically all my big cases that I've dumped a ton of passion and love in to have been ugly busts. I'm taking a more dispassionate stance this game and though I will certainly provide reads free of charge I rather not be pushed incessantly to do so and become enamored with my own garbage. I'm kinda tired of being the proto pants on head townie, whose only use is to prove his townie alignment via his imaginative stupidity. I'm playing to win this time : P so when and if I have good reads, you'll hearem(may very well just sheep /  . For now I think chrome is scum based off what I said before, but that might change if the situation calls for it.Bh is probally town (i liked the answers he gave and read his filter a bit more), Ritoky is town, your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable. | ||
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On October 22 2015 09:07 Vivax wrote: GB there are two options here, you're either lying or in a tabledance class How old is Gb? Night classes maybe? Gb you legal? To be honest I wouldn't care about something so small If I hadn't felt pressured as mafia to tell a similar lie before / : something about being at the park with mah doge all day. | ||
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On October 22 2015 09:20 Alakaslam wrote: I think GB is ever so slightly my elder At 25, I am well into night class zones probably a moot pursuit then ) : while your here what do you think of xatalos? Personally I feel as if he dedicates alot of talk to the rng thing without actually looking into what it meant about Bh. Burning filter basically. I also get the feeling that hes using my lurky history as a way to waffle on me, thereby positioning himself to go ether way depending on town. Dunno. I really don't know how gumshoe should be read. You know? I remember him being a really inactive/bad town once and he was basically policy lynched. Then he was extremely similar as scum and managed to survive like that (I even defended him because of him being similar as town earlier lol). Here he's surprisingly actually posting stuff... Or has he started generally posting lately? Hm... I've only ever seen him being semi-permanently AFK. Well so far Blazinghand and Vivax feel town. ritoky too? Not as sure about Chromatically yet. yamato and gumshoe are in the gray area. Of course, rayn = scum. Hm so you think gumshoe is lightly town? I guess his attempt at playing so far has been decent compared to my past experiences with him...... Tbh I think any of yamato/gumshoe/Chromatically could be scum atm. None of them feel strongly that way though. And how would you characterize his meta? My experience has been basically "scummy lurker as either alignment". Would also like to know why you put ritoky as town as especially marv. He eventually seems to settle on me bieng town, but by then I think the general sentiment was favoring me? if that makes sense / : he just seems very wishy washy, which we all are somewhat at the start of course, but his posting comes off as very repetitive and pointless. He talks about the rng vote, but doesn't infer any reads from it, he jokes alot about the rain vote but again doesn't derive anything from it. Hes just commenting on stuff that means nothing, and cautiously testing the waters with his uncertain reads. would also explain his weird early interaction with chrom, someone hes kinda pushing but not really. I'm open to bieng wrong this game, Xata may very well just be perplexed by my bieng really active, but for now I'm reading him as red / : I go bed now. good night : D | ||
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Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more. Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes. onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative. People I'm mixed on Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no? Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player. The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did) Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not. Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose. | ||
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I'm not good at reading Rayn, but usually when he does the begruding "ok gumshoe is town" thing hes green / : so take that for what it's worth. | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:42 Blazinghand wrote: So no thoughts on rayn then? Cause he grilled you a fair amount, and despite that, all you said about him was: In response to all the grilling, etc. So what's the deal gumshoe? Rayn attacks you and you mostly just call him mean, you don't comment on anything he has to say, any of his reads (other than directly related to your statements) and on your list post, he doesn't show up, not even as mixed. You commented on the nature of the rng lynch on rayn (saying it was daring, etc) but you didn't actually comment about rayn himself. Are you avoiding talking about rayn? Let's hear a stance from you on this. I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun. Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both? | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:55 Blazinghand wrote: Thanks for the input! So for you, you'd expect that scum rayn would tunnel you into the ground, whereas town rayn wouldn't do this, but this meta read is a soft read? At this point in time I feel like it's more important to gather information about rayn and learn about what people think of him and why people are irrationally townreading him when he was clearly RNGed than it is to disambiguate the motivations for my scumread on him  oks : P how do you feel about xatalos and chrom? I would ask you about onegu and hopeless but theres not much there to pick apart -_-. | ||
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On October 23 2015 04:57 Xatalos wrote: gumshoe: It's a bit funny you called me out about waffling on you when your entire last post waffling on... everyone Every read had some "but... then..." moment haharayn: About BH, I'm not completely sure how I came to lean as strongly town on BH as on Vivax. It might not be as deserved as the townread on Vivax (on objective merits of meta etc.), I just felt (and actually still feel) that his level of effort and activity seemed more likely to come from town. The way he engaged people and seemed to have really thought about his own ideas... It didn't feel at all like a fake push trying to gather credibility. What's more, I skimmed through all the links ritoky provided and it was a common trend that BH pushed the idea of RNG lynching as town but didn't do that as scum. I think it's a minor meta point in BH's favor, even if it's not like it's impossible to fake something like that... I just didn't get the feeling it was fake. Well, did you? For the time being, I'm happy to put BH in the pile of non-lynchables. Oh for sure, I literally am a waffle Xatalos. I refuse to just red list someone off mah gut. My thought process has arguments for and against. It is double sided by necessity but I do come down on everyone I look at in one light or another. My issue with your waffling is it struck me as you using my shit meta to avoid saying anything of substance about me. Tldr my waffles is pretty and delicious, yours is cheap and fake. Bet you dont even like real syrup on your food / : oh as for definitive reads. kill============ Hopeless: kill with fire Onegu: Kill with acidic detergent Xatalos: kill with copious amounts of fake syrup soaked pankakes =================== Prep =========== Yamato: needs to marinate Rayn: probally be inedible Chrom: possibly possed by malevolent entity Bh: Likely to be used as a point against a shitty cook on a british cooking show that takes place in hell. ================== good TOP SECRET. | ||
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Xata- I dont feel hes done little enough good or plenty enough wrong to warrant a lynch today. I could elaborate but meh. I still feel pretty good about chrom and Ritoky(less so about ritoky, but in his defense rayn is kind of a black hole that absorbs all your attention at times) so atm I wouldn't vote them today. Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them. Over all I'm reluctant to lynch Rayn for my prior meta read, but also because in a game without blues, actives might just get shot outright so doesnt make much sense killing someone who has a chance to bite a bullet. My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me. also this I disagree on your assessment of GB. I think he ass-pulled his explanation of his scumread of Vivax. I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him. Imagine a mafia yamato for a moment, hes watching this scrub being totally wrong about Vivax(and he would know for a fact that jb is wrong, cause colour red), he sees marv pressuring him and then suddenly stahping and then finally, he sees his chance. From his perspective Gb is the perfect mark, no? Ethier way I feel theres something going on here. I dont think lynching into one of these two is a bad idea, but between them I am sort of willing to give gb the benefit of the doubt for the sake of pants on head. People I need to read more into -Bh(has seemed rather useless as of late) Slam, been letting him off cause Slam, but thats not a good reason to neglect his filter T_T small as it may be. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote: hey I think yamato is very likely to be town. I like all his reads and the way he is making them. the first bit of this post - no actually yamato was bang on, and it should make you townread him for it, not mafiaread him. The fact, when he mentioned it and I responded, that I conceded he was right should also bring you to that conclusion. why doesn't it? essentially (as i already explained somewhere) i had a bit of a brain fart and i wasn't evaluating vivax's town/mafia play properly in my head, so what yamato said about dropping off it too easily was bang on, because if i was using full/correct information, i would have kept on it more. It makes yamato look good because he's suggesting the direction that play should have taken, and he was actually right about it. And i can say that because it was my thought process. Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / : Also, his redirecting you onto Jb is scummy to me because hes not actually investigating you, the tone of his posts suggests he knows your town and were doing the "right" thing and just stopped for some reason. Problem is, I think he doesnt seem to really care what that reason is, only that you stopped going onto Gb.The only point in him calling you out was to regain momentum onto jb. Which feels like an agenda as opposed to honest scum hunting. Basically, between the guy who feels too right and is trying to redirect the most townie player, and the dude whose stumbling drunkley, my own bias compels me to suspect the former / : | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote: Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me. After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for. I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say. This is so terrible ) : | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote: he's right and succinct AND has insight into my thought process. which is quite easy for an effective scum player to do no? Honestly I know Tl players are amazing after what must be at least half a decade of constant play. But the only thing really seperating our two factions is knowledge, a player appearing too effective (as is the case with yamato in my eyes atm) in such a short space of time and posting is something that should always concern us. But after the gb martyr I'm down to kill him as I doubt a yamato lynch could even happen unless gb flips green. but please elaborate on hopeless, I dont got your history or your meta, he just seems totes worthless something I will never again take for granted after one particular game. | ||
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Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me) yamato-gb (these two are a matching pair, yamatos read on him was felt so accurate he is ether just right and awesome, or mafia taking advantage of gb being wrong about vivax) probably wouldn't vote for anyone else outside these 4. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:39 marvellosity wrote: i've no interest in talking about hopeless. it's doubtful he's getting lynched. is he lock clear? no. but unless you're planning on getting 5-6 votes on him today i don't really want to bother when there are more important things. yamato is not an effective scumplayer. fine, shortening the list to onegu and gb, but make no mistake, my little vivax WILL rise once again, with a vengeance. | ||
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On October 24 2015 00:47 GlowingBear wrote: I'm sorry, what? You've kept saying you were town reading me, then thinks I'm mafia for martyring, then you want to lynch me but still thinks Vivax is mafia??? Am I voting for you right now? No I am not. But between Onegu and you, we get more info out of your death so I wouldnt be too sad to see yah go (yamato basically never gets lynched unless you flip green and even then its unlikely). but yeah I think your just butthurt town, which is why I am voting for Onegu : P but I am not the best mafia player here and I am quite often wrong and overthink things. So maybe you are scum and I'm too thick to see it. Someone once said mafia is more about choosing the right person to sheep rather than only listening to your own reads, so that is unfortunately a consideration I intend to make this game / : | ||
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On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote: I think it's too early to lynch slam This should probally tell you that Gb is totes town. The lynch momentum is falling off him, and what does he do? "Hey that guy whose supposed to die instead of me? Maybs lets him live." Even if there scum buddies it makes no sense. | ||
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On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote: So I assume this is the issue ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) he types walls of text that glaze my eyes over. i thought he was mafia feels at the start, then he gave a respectable read progression on me and climbed up to null. i have 0 strong opinions on him now. he basically just took me off his list, then got in a flame war with rayn and has since then been afk. I read him as town, but then again I have a pretty big fetish for the first person who comes after me in a game of mafia (theyre usually town as well) is that weird? | ||
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Rayn seems pretty amped up, I feel like he started the game angry and just gets angrier as the game goes on, but the rage hasnt been too focused. Rayn is perfectly capable of tunneling one person forever and coming up with all manner of bullshit on them, but he really has been all over the place, which would suggest he is actually trying to figure stuff out in his own way. Or hes just flailing, trying to get whatever lynch to go down. As for slam, def some wierd stuff cropping up here and there. GB hard defense of Yamato making me wonder. in context with mah yamato case, this is a bit sketch, if Slam pushed to get gb lynched based off association with yam, and gb was town, his flip would in no way impact yamato. It's a small thing / : for sure. Mostly I dont want rayn to be scum, because then Bh will be right and well never hear the end of it. But I'm not sure slam is scum either. I dont like this lynch choice at all T_T | ||
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On October 24 2015 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: What GB does makes also sense if he is.... DADAAAA scum with Slam. Sure it does, but a tad obvious/risky then isn't it? If one of them flips the other would be an easy pick up / : | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:06 Xatalos wrote: Meh, actually Onegu's filter isn't really suspicious. Even though it's useless. I think both rayn and Chromatically would give a better chance of hitting scum, mostly rayn. uselss is scummy ) : I dont like using meta vs players who are fairly useless regularly. Meta is a tool best used vs a player who is really active because over time provided they haven't vastly changed their personality, their habits should show through (hard to avoid it with 20 plus page filters). Shit players usually are much less hard pressed to recreate thier bad play cause it's just far less work. My whole scum strat is to recreate my town self's bad habits, and I can tell you for a fact it's far bloody easier to simulate lurkshoe then actshoe. Useless=scummy one way or another. I have literally seen good players go into thier mafia qt and do the following "so I'm gonna lurk till my lynch day, then i'll show up and say I was indisposed, no one will lynch me cause that would look too bad out of maf" AND WE DIDN'T FUCKIN LYNCH HIM. Between slam and Rayn, I wanna lynch neither. Unless my vote is absolutely required I wont be voting for them / : I dont read chrom as particularly bad anymore their but I will go over his filter once more before dead line to be sure. | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:34 yamato77 wrote: I have arrived when your done catching up, tell me what ya think of slam, read into chrom too plz : D | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:53 yamato77 wrote: hm slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable" I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic. I don't necessarily disagree that GB looks better but I'm rather hesitant to sleep on the idea of lynching him entirely. Rayn is just not mafia here I don't think. Unless he is mafia with marv and they both successfully pocketed me. I doubt this though, because literally everyone thinks I am town now so lol. I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either. so who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote: So after catching up. Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games. I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule. Rayn is like 90% of his town meta. Yamato did some stuff looked townie. GB rolled my RnG. Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think. Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game. I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority. Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read. Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now. Ummm..... No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked. Damn I am good at this game. You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. Could you elaborate on chrom besides forgettable? It looks as if hes basically your lynch proposal / : | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:58 yamato77 wrote: The post Hopeless pointed out. It did actually look townie to me. you mean this one? I meant "shitty scumreads", not shitty scum reading me. how did this change your read? Can you elaborate? | ||
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On October 24 2015 02:59 Blazinghand wrote: OK Rayn I kinda get what you're getting at here but let's look at the shared game history between me and xat 1. II Titanic Mini Mafia -- I replaced in for cdgcorazon (wow, I remember that dude) and was the town vigi. Also that was a shitshow 2. TL Mafia LXIV -- Another shitshow, in which I was town 3. TL MAfia LXIV Part 2 -- I was town again 4. Golden Sun Lost Age -- I was Isaac, Town, again 5. Assassination Mafia -- I was town 6. Paranoia Mafia -- I was town In other words, Xatalos has literally never played with scum Blazinghand. He has no firsthand experience of playing with me. He couldn't know, not wihtout doing research or blindly trusting others. He is unaware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has not seen it first hand. Ritoky has played with me twice. Once in Golden Sun Mafia, and once in Cell Mini Mafia, the infamous game in which I took photos of cardboard boxes and pretended to be moving house and not have internet. Ritoky is aware of the depths of depravity to which I am willing to sink. He has seen it first hand. That being said, I still like Ritoky doing resaerch on my meta and when I use RNG. Yes, he's wrong, and yes, he should remember what I'm willing to do, but he sitll went and did actual research when has scum it would have been totally unnecessary, right? Ritoky is not a target for todays lynch. Stop talking about your RNG, nobody cares about rng XD who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:10 yamato77 wrote: It is true that you have faded a bit. We'll see what that means. Yamato, where are you on hopeless? You seemed really confident about him early on Hopeless is a pretty ez townread IMO. I actually see what he's saying with Hopeless. what about him read as town to you? has anything changed? | ||
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1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam I don't really agree on. also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? | ||
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yamato I'd like some answers to the following two question. 1: What did you find scummy about slam early on? Slam I don't really agree on. in response to Slam and Hopeless are town why? also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed? | ||
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On October 24 2015 03:53 yamato77 wrote: you bore me what do you think about them? going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless not much has changed These are simple questions and it's important you answer, earlier I asked bh questions, he answered in a convincing way so I town read him. I'm doing the same thing now. If your actually town and you dont want me to waste time tunneling you then please answer. Also I'm not asking you to pull more reads out of your ass, I'm just asking you to explain ones you've already given. Which is something you should do right away if you want to avoid being bored by nosy gumshoes / : so once again, why the slam scum read early on. Why the hopeless town read. | ||
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Chrom feels pretty active/emotional, dont wanna lynch him. Rayn strikes me as sincere but misguided, exactly how I would imagine a townie. We have expectations of veteran players, but truth is bieng right from the get go in a game of mafia can be more about luck than anything else. So no, I wont vote him today. Slam is playing too sensible, dont wanna discourage this by killing him. gb is town, unless hes scum with slam his reactions plus the way he protected him take him totally off my list. I kind of need yam to answer mah questions before I can say anything else. Today I'd be willing to lynch Ritoky, who has totally disappeared and needs to be on more peoples radar. 20 hours as of right now since he last posted. Hopeless is also a target, but everyone seems to magically think hes town so I guess he gets a pass. | ||
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On October 24 2015 04:37 Blazinghand wrote: This seems spot on etween Xat, Chrom, ritoky, Onegu, and hopeless1 I see no serious statements differentiating them, other than that you want to lynch onegu and Hopeless1 from the other three without any explanation? What's the deal broseph??? You must have REASONS for this. You say "unless someone can magically explain..." but your'e the one with magical explanations here. Or magical lack of explanations. Man up and post some. No input on the slam case!!?? Pul it together brometheius Yeah, see my meta read on MArv. From the XV scum QT (this game is over so the QT is ok to link) http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/zRTyp8RMU5dNs : "i was never going to try this game very much if i rolled mafia anyway ""it kinda takes me time to recharge my scum batteries, and i've only played 48h of town since i tried pretty hard as mafia last. batteries low. i will play though. just poorly." "*giggles* we're gonna lose so hilariously hard, it'll be great." Then, night 1: "##concede nothing left for me here" and he had a crappy like 2 page filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity&view=all the difference is palpable. In any case, I'm beating a dead horse here so I'll leave it aloen but anyone voting marv is not paying attention to the obvious evidence here. xat was a scum read of mine early on, but his sheer level of activity detterd me from pursuing so didnt waste mah time there. Onegu and hopeless had >2 page filters and most of thier commentary was fairly banal jokey and worthless. Felt this went without saying. Chrom and ritoky were entangled together, I found ritoky townie from his initital pounce on to me (though my opinion has changed since) chrom also just came off over time as really active and sincere so I revoked mah earlier scum read on him. I generally tend to not go too much into mah town reads cause they dont interest me, and there wasnt much to say on onegu and hopeless, the mix made for a shallow one. As for Slam, gonna be honest, me finding him townie is more an asociation thing. Basically people I dont like are calling him out for very little reason. That and his death match with Rayn feels dumb and townie. | ||
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On October 24 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote: I must admit, there's a certain temptation here! I doubt it's actually PoE, but a mixture of PoE and read is to too shitty to play counterstrike??? "Too correct" about GB's meta or shitposting isn't actually a reason to mafiaread someone. Like... you're literally saying, and I quote "Yamato is just right and succinct"... so he is mafia. You're calling hm mafia for having good reads. How do you get to this place, mentally? How does that happen, where someone comes in (and I'm not saying I think Yam's reads are good here-- but you clearly think so) and says "wow, this guy makes a lot of sense!.... CLEARLY HE IS SCUM HUE HUEH UEUEHUEHUEHUE" like how does that happen, what happened to you? In a perfect game, mafia would never fuck up, and use their superior knowledge to secure a lynch. They would find situations in which they are 'right' result in a mislynch and that pose the least blow back twoards them. A scenario in which vivax and gb are at each others throats and gb is flat out wrong is an example of such a scenario. I came away from gb seeing him as a derpy townie but could see the potential to set him up as a bullshitting mafia player. The way yamato did exactly that gave me chills. Is that really so fucking outlandish? That a player whose good at this game could use mafia omniscience to set up a derpy townie? As I said as well, I didnt like how yam sort of directed marv onto gb, gave me a slimy feeling. I'm also stunned that Yamato has marv level cred from everyone for literally a 10th of the effort. They guy wont even answer my questions on his random unexplained reads. But of course Yamato is town right? Tl mafia circle jerk meta says so, guess it must be true! | ||
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On October 24 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote: gumshoe you keep re-iterating how you don't think i am town anymore. being afk is not alignment indicative (harsh lessons were recently learned about this), and you should really stop trying to soft set up mislynches in the future, someone might notice how mafia you are. Funny how your circling back around to me as a suspect the moment I turn against you. Cute, also as the master of afk, I can tell you there are dif kinds, and the one where you disappear because thread sentiment isnt against you and then return to ask "sup guys who we lynching?" at deadline is pretty shitty. | ||
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On October 24 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: you too gumshoe. amek up your mind and stop talking about irrelevant things. I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. thats is the format in which my mind is made up. | ||
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On October 24 2015 05:20 ritoky wrote: low post count = scum. ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/5aLrlDiJPMPFS/giphy.gif) + Show Spoiler + rip jon stewart, i already miss you so much Def don't mean town too. This meta argument against slam is pretty sils. You also match my fantasy mafia team so thats mostly why I wanna see you die ) : | ||
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On October 24 2015 05:27 Blazinghand wrote: so who's top of the list for you if, say, we don't lynch slam? do you actually have a scumread or case? maybe we should lynch onegu jsut for this truly awful list post, who's in? Also for that RNG thing. Wow actually yes I'm now caught up to my first post in the "catching up to posts" series. Replies inc id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. | ||
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On October 24 2015 06:24 Xatalos wrote: Seriously rayn, you hosted the game where he was scum and only trolled all game. You even talked to me on Skype how he didn't really play at all. Here his effort level was like 20-30x higher, yet you are mad about it. Following your logic, half of the players in this game are useless trolls, since he put in more effort than most. Especially Onegu/Hopeless/gumshoe. Bro I've put way more effort into this game than you and def more than slam and thats Besides the fact that I wasn't pushing for a retarded lynch like half of town. I've provided plenty of solid reasons all throughout day 1 for why I deemed gb, rayn and slam town. I scum read you initially and then realized I was flat out wrong before my idiocy impacted the lynch (something you could learn from). Worst thing is, now you fucking group me with the people I wanted gone? That is total bullshit. apologize to gumshoe + Lynch yamato/hopeless day 2= eat crow and profit. | ||
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On October 24 2015 06:48 Xatalos wrote: What could I learn from? I was right. But I agree that you have actually posted some stuff in this game. Although it's mostly been about policy lynching lurkers. Maybe I should take a small break now. I don't usually get invested enough in games to insult people. your wrong about Rayn / : if things had gone your way it would have been just as bad, only slam wouldnt have started crying green tears like Rayn. Also scum have a harder time just talking than town / : whats wrong with looking at lurkers who have shit reads on top of being lurkers? | ||
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On October 24 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote: ...... Okay. But that's really what it boils down to, since the other stuff didn't have much impact during the day. At most it gathered responses like "scum post" or "useless wall of text" (not by me, mind you). I have no power over how people chose to take what I've said. But I have been trying, and you of all people who have been harping about my lurker meta should appreciate that as opposed to taking low blows against me. I will be back later with ANOTHER case against hopeless and Yamato. Others can feel free to call them lurker tunneling or shitty wot's if that makes them feel better. Cause you know who gets called a shitposter by everyone till thier blue in the face? The guy whose onto scum : D but isnt good enough to convince town to listen to him )  that or just a shitty player). Regardless I will continue to push the people I think are scum. Not the small horde of poor bastards town will likely go through in the days to come if they all act like you. | ||
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On October 24 2015 10:02 ritoky wrote: xata is right about this. slam was the least chupazi he has been in recent games. he was in fact significantly more serious than normal resulting in an around a 50% serious post rate which is astounding for him. as desperate as i am to try and ignore everything rayn posts, when he posts for 3 straight pages....anywayz his reaction is overblown and worthless. + Show Spoiler + at least my meta read on slam is still perfect you is town btw. | ||
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It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) | ||
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On October 25 2015 00:04 GlowingBear wrote: You've asked Ritoky if he agreed on a team that didn't have Rayn Dont badger him, this is progress. | ||
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On October 25 2015 05:48 Onegu wrote: This post makes absolutely no sense. First do you really think with the 5 minutes in which BH came in people were going to switch. And lets say there were last second switch onto me. Why is ritoky going to look terrible. Everyone knows voting analysis is terrible day one. And once I flip town what are you dumbasses going to do? You arent going to lynch ritoky you are going to be like everyone is terrible and we should have lynched slam yesterday we are going to lynch him today. Ritoky is scott free. Every point here is bad. What looks worse is you giving me a town read but then saying you would vote me but then not. Ritoky also voting because someone says so then once the mislynch is secured he moves onto another townie because it makes him not on a town play during the flip. Gumshoe pointing this out and trying to make him look better bothers me alot. Blazinghand gets the same thing as Ritoky. Why try to shennanie on me. Because BH knows if there is shennanies from a player like slam onto another town player means that slam is the focus for most of day 2. It is a win win. Out of the 2 though I would say ritoky is the more suspicious of the 2. And would lynch him first. There are a few more things I want to look into. I really dont get xata's attacks of rayn and Marv. Like are his reads just that shit. Like most of my body wants to believe that. I dont see a way Rayn is scum here. I just dont. The way he reacted to me. The way his reads are changing. His reaction to Slam being town and being lynched. This all comes from town rayn. I am 99% giving my soul read on him. Could also lynch hopeless here. Like I baited him and he did nothing about it and just went after easy lynches even after threatening me. His reads seem to just go along with thread sentiment. Everyone else is fairly null to me. I need to look at a few more things. Really need to take a new look at Yamato. Really had a town feeling yesterday but meh. use your brain plox, slam has a enough of wagon to get lynched. Ritoky jumps on a last second train to avoid the slam lynch. You flip town, Ritoky looks like he was bieng super oportunistic scum saving a player enough people considered scummy to lynch, he flips scum????? he kills his buddy for no reason? Ritoky coulda just afked through the lynch which was already set up for scum. The only reason to get tangled up in a last second vote switch in that postion is to try and lynch actual scum. Only way it wasnt is if Ritoky is certain the lynch will fail, which again, is retardedly risky. Ritoky is town 0_0 if you dont see it your dumbs. | ||
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Like, that's the thing we have to consider above all. If Rayn is actual scum, then hes not even mad one bit. Hes happy in fact. I've seen Rayn easily get back on his feet as scum after a post mislynch (I was the mislynch) hes good enough a player that he doesn't have to explode into uselessness. compare this post right after my mislynch- Thank you Sentinel for listening to me on thrawn (or good job or whatever your reasoning was ^^). Apologies guys for D1 lynch, i was really bad and that was bad from me. I'll shut up for some time so people can actually talk and we don't end up with a clusterfuck like D1 lynch. I was roleblocked. to the shitstorm that we had after the slam lynch. In that same scum game, he would go on to post reasonable shit like this soon after. so this is what yamato is suggesting. There are three blue claims. Me, Mr.SexyCake, and Sentinel can't all be mafia, so there are 2 scenarios he is considering: 1) Mr.CC and Sentinel are both fake-claiming and i am telling the truth. This can't possibly be true because that would mean there would be another blue claim and they would have shot their own scumbuddy. Town mislynched on D1 so instead of trying to mislynch on D2 they are giving town a mislynch by shooting their scumbuddy and instantly losing the game if someone claims blue on D2 (if someone claims we lynch one of Sent/CC or the blue claim - if the blue claim turns up blue, scum lose). This is ridiculosu to even consider. 2) I decided to fakeclaim parity cop 1h into the game instead of just not claiming. This makes no sense given that yamato knows how confident i am at my scumplay. Let's entertain a scenario that i did something very stupid (which i would never do) as mafia. The only reason i would do that as mafia is to assume there is no parity cop in the game - because one-one trade is ridiculous in a game where i can just mislynch 2 townies and win the game. There is no counter-claim. I have gained the town credit i was looking for. Good. What's my next move. I decide to buss my teammate thrawn by asking a vigilante to shoot him on N1. I already know there is no parity cop in the game because noone counter-claimed me, so the reasonable assumption is that there is a vigilante in the game. So i made a stupid and a risky claim that could end up in a 1-1 trade, when it worked, i make a stupid move that risks my scumbuddy being shot or lynched on D2 for town-credit i have already gained from my fake claim. In addition to all this stupidness thrawn, my scumbuddy, does not give me the town credit from my fake claim (which was the point of my scumteam in the first place) but instead attacks me and we go 1vs1 with him ensuring we pretty much tunnel each other on D2 - that will most likely end up in one of us getting lynched. So me, raynpelikoneet, did this as mafia, instead of... just lynching townies and playing scum as i normally do, by controlling the thread. Ridiculous. Based purely on yamato even considering something this stupid he is mafia, 100%. As opposed to spending all his time flaming Xatalos. Ignoring the fact that town Rayn has been known to implode on a regular game basis (I'm not super sure he doesn't do this as scum, the above post was only to demonstrate how level headed he could act as mafia) all the shitty inconsistencies hes making, such as how slam is a troll when really slam was super reasonable, are contradictions he doesn't need to fucking make if hes scum and level headed, after my lynch he doesnt go all "FAAAAK GUMSHOE YOU SCRUUUUB" he just moves onto the next point in his agenda. The only reason one would go off the handle and say all this stupid shit that is likely to get them lynched, is if they are emotional and why the fuck would a scum rayn be emotional? He won, he got his way, theres no need for the stupidity hes showcasing. So whats more likely, that a scum Rayn would further antagonize a town already super biased against him post a mislynch he was responsible for, then bother the bloody host, thereby risking things for his team as well himself AND THEN fucking shoot his number one support(marv) when he couldve just shot xata and been like "of course scum shot xata, they are trying to fucking frame MEEEE FUCK SHIT FUCK TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLS!!!!!!!!!" Or that Rayn is just super shit this game and is throwing a temper tantrum as Rayn tends to do? It is super super easy to lynch a townie on the principle of their behavior, it is also a fantastic way to lose. Please townies, use dem heads. Would a happy scum Rayn (a player that you all think is pretty great at this game,( but I honestly feel is far too shit more often than not to justify his occasionally fantasitic scum hunting) forfiet all thread control in some kind of mad meta gambit? Nop, he would probs not. So lets all do ourselves a favour and not collectively pull a Rayn -_- Hopeless has been truly worthless, Yamato has been next to worthless, we have 3 more mislynches left. How about we spend a day lynching a lurker? See how that works out pwease. | ||
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On October 26 2015 05:05 Blazinghand wrote: The part where rayn argues with the host doesn't sit right with me either, true. But if gas town rayn where has he been thus whole time? Rage quitting, what else? Scum Rayn was in a fantastic position, he had Marv at his back, he couldve shot xata and taken the win out of the Rayn train, and just used meta as a reason for why Xata got shot and then he coulda just hustled like he tends to do as scum. At the very least a scum Rayn could've entirely prevented the possibility of a day 2 lynch of on himself. Town Rayn just sees us as either stupid, or trolls. He has no desire to help us and at this point he wants to get mislynched because it will prove his point. I think for now it would be best to treat him as a jester, if a lynch on yamato or hopeless fails, then we can return to this retardation. But till then, show some respect/disgust for Rayn and leave the true troll alone to sulk under his brige. | ||
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On October 26 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote: wifom wifom wifom wifom wifom. scum rayn wouldn't risk modkill to the point where he got warned. wifom wifom wifom wifom. I established that mafia Rayn can play objectively, then I proved that his play this game was objectively bad as scum, I showed how he could have easily put himself in a good position and instead shat the bed. This isnt Rayn faking emotion as scum, because scum has no reason to fake emotion when they have better options/obvius. Rayn is just playing emotionally which scum have no reason to do because they are happy with the outcome of the lynch. 1)If you want to boil actual thought and effort down to wifom, please do, but understand that by acting like a total fucking douche instead of responding to my argument in a respectful way you are basically slaying our chances to consolidate on mafia together if were both town. 2). If you still think I'm scum then by all means please lead a lynch on me, if not then stop antagnonizing someone you probally need to win. Unless you care more about petty spite then winning / : in which case refer to the one. | ||
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On October 26 2015 05:29 Xatalos wrote: Lol ritoky you don't think Onegu is a suspect? I think he looks worse than Hopeless at least, and probably worse than yamato.... You all assume mafia has to look awful / : it really doesn't, it can even look fantastic (look at holyflaires games for example, he plays so well most times he makes it to to top of everyone's town lists with ease). Personally the dangerous ones are usually in the lower middle of the pack, my reason for suspecting Hopeless isnt as much hes a lurker as much as who hes lightly tied to, but I'll go into that in a bit. | ||
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On October 26 2015 05:40 ritoky wrote: i wanna take a moment to talk about xata, and why he isn't in the top of my town list; but why i cannot support a lynch on him today unless epiphanies are delivered upon me from the holy mafia mother. xata might be town because he hasn't stopped thinking and posting thoughts even if they go too far into the future. he is considering things to the point of wasted brain power. further his activity is 1/4th of the entire thread (which makes it slightly unreadable at times). it is clear that the effort level is there, and as of now with how few people are actually attempting to solve the game, i am completely compelled to give out modest effort based reads alone. in terms of content he has thought more extreme versions of what i have thought on multiple occasions and has pushed for his word to be law. why i am hesitant about xata is because of a game i played somewhat recently. there was this guy who some1 invited from another forum playing on TL for the first time i think. he came into the thread, spammed non-stop, yelled at everyone, didn't read what anyone typed, made multiple people want to quit/sub out of the game, and pushed some of the dumbest and most forced crap i have ever read. to me he was obvious mafia, but every1 else was all like "no way 1st time player on forums does x or is this toxic". he then subbed out and was replaced by a nice quiet dude on N2 or D3 who we never lynched and got rekt. the point of this whole story and references that i didn't look up is that xata has given me ripples of those same feels at points this game. also i realized...i am getting shot in the face tonight aren't i? that blows. I hate you, I hate and your town and I hate and I hope you get shot. But we really should work together, personally I think Xata is someone to look at late late once weve exhausted all other options. Going by the night 1 (marv/active townie) trend he might actually be shot in the next two days. Basic rule of thumb, dont lynch someone who who seems likely to get shot before the game ends. Atm we have 8 townies and 3 scum. Which means we have 3 mislynches left till, which also means there going to be two more shots provided hit scum. Bh and xata are two people I could see dying via shot, in Xata's case if only to kill thread activity and throw shade on Rayn. Even if they are both scum, that still leaves a third member who we can lynch, so there's no reason to kill them till we have to. If scum directly avoid killing them by shooting players like me or you who aren't totally as clear, we can probally just call that a win for town without diving into wifom wifom wifom as you say. | ||
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On October 26 2015 05:52 ritoky wrote: i think you misread a lot of what i typed or something. but nice to know i have fans. i wanna lynch gb, hopeless, rayn, and yamato atm. might as well start somewhere, voted gb. I read everything you said, "Xata is scum cause there was a dude this one time in another game who was all like, rude and talkative and totes mafia" my reply was simply that theres no reason to kill someone who has a good chance to get shot and thats all the response I feel I needed to give to your argument. As for Gb, he town. think it's too early to lynch slam This should probally tell you that Gb is totes town. The lynch momentum is falling off him, and what does he do? "Hey that guy whose supposed to die instead of me? Maybs lets him live." Even if there scum buddies it makes no sense. This is all I need to prove it, my argument was true then and is truer now. Gb was literally in the sites of Rayn Marv Yamato ect. The heat was completely on him, then it switches to Slam and what does he do? Protects a townie whose acting as a shield for him. He didn't even need to attack slam, all he had to do was not talk / : or go off on someone else. Gb also doesnt strike me as someone with an agenda, hes hot headed and walks into the flame as a result. Def not my first choice for scum. | ||
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On October 26 2015 06:18 Chromatically wrote: Uh what? Your argument is that GB, as mafia, would never defend the lynch target like this because it would turn suspicion back towards him. This post is literally never going to convince anyone not to vote Slam. Like... as mafia he's 100% safe making this post because it will have 0 effect on whether people vote Slam or not. He says that Slam is town again later closer to lynch, but at that point there were 0 votes on GB and 4 on Slam, so GB isn't even a lynch target at all. You assume Gb is bieng totally level headed / : as a scum player, I personally feel tremendous fear to do things that directly contribute to my death or the death of my teamates. We can deduce that Gb was emotional, which is not impossible to be as scum (especially when your actually in a losing position, as opposed to where Rayn was) off his outburst in thread. When the Slam wagon switched, unless Gb is a tremedous actor immense releif would have rolled over him. To then have right away have the peace of mind to recognize your own powerlessness and do something that directly hurts your cause is something I do not think scum Gb could accomplish on his own, given his mental state, and I doubt he would be coached to do by his team. That and I read him as a fuck up townie, not a desperate scummer / : but thats more a feel thing that comes from lots of games of bieng a fuck up townie than anything else, so its harder to elaborate on. | ||
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On October 26 2015 06:26 Vivax wrote: And by the way if we shenanny we do it onto yamato who is only posting excuses. yeep | ||
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Yamato has only two pages of filter, we are rapidly reaching what could be the midway point of the game and I think it's not unfair to say that as of yet he has not contributed in any meaningful way. Beyond that, he has committed several grave sins in his short span of posts. My argument against him will center around these sins : P This post will talk about the first sin. Sin 1: The sin of vague self affirming reads(and a dash of Hypocrisy as a bonus). Yamato generally has made super vague shallow reads this game, but one could write that off as just his post style, so I'm going to focus on the most suiting event to avoid wasting yalls time : P Early on in the game, Yamato passively gave off a scum read on Slam, if you missed it I dont blame you cause it was super vauge and pretty hard to pin down. Slam I don't really agree on. (in response to somebody town reading Slam)we get confirmation on this soon after, Ritoky, slam, bh, onegu all likely mafia? I disagree on at least one We can assume based off how Yamato hinted at his displeasure with Slam earlier, that Slam was not the one person he would take off this scum list / : from these two quotes, we can reliably piece together what was and is an extremely vague scum read. One that he never actually provides reasons his own reasons for.He says this as well I disagree on ritoky and I don't have a solid read on any of BH, slam, or Onegu which means at some point his Slam read was downgraded from not town to fuzzy? Again there's nothing to hint at the thought process behind this fluctuation.Later on, once the wagon started up on Slam Yamato chimed in slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable" I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic. Issue is, this isnt his read, it's basically Marv's that was made several hours before. like the post I quoted from Slam up there - I'd like to be corrected if I'm wrong, but it doesn't feel at all how town Slam reacts to someone like rayn voting for him? Yamato puts his own spin on it, but the sentiment of "this isn't how Slam reacts to pressure" is identical. He doesnt ever offer up his own reasons for why Slam is scum, which is strange because as we established he all but scum read Slam at the start. So naturally, seeing this wierd gap of reasoning I asked him what was going on. This was his reply. you bore me what do you think about them? going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless not much has changed Not much has changed confirms he did find slam scummy at the start, but has no reasons for it but what Marv provided? Also this is the only time this game that somone has actually refused to answer a question 0_0 doesnt that bother you people? compare this to my talk with bh at the start.(its long, you can just take my word for it but if you want it's here) + Show Spoiler + Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia? if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town." not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / : + Show Spoiler + "From the get go" --> I wasn't particularly thinking of using RNG, but it's one of my most useful tools for hunting and lynching scum. I'd say I use it more often than not nowadays when I play. When the game started, I was like "you know what would be great here? Given the setup and the player list, this is perfect for RNG" and then I did it. "pre written" --> I copied/pasted it from the last time I used RNG, then filled in the names and list size from this game. The second RNG post where I announced the result, I also copied/pasted, so in a sense, yes, this was prewritten "when did you think of random tl tag info?" --> I first thought of this idea in September of 2013, and I used it for the first time in November 2013. Since then I've used it probably 5-10 times in games here on TL. "would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game) Yamato may be lazy, but when one townie asks another townie questions, the above is the usual result (ie one townie answers as honestly as possible and the other townie reacts to those answers) Yamato is not so bad that he wouldn't recognize the shitstorm inherent in straight up refusing to answer another player trying to figure out your alignment. Maybe, just maybe hes so lazy and apathetic that he doesn't care, but you know what? It's more likely that Yamato a) felt that any answers he would give were going to be shit derived from a bull and would just weaken his currently strong position and b) that he could get away with not answering because town had given him a total pass and was focused on Slam (seriously, everybody was town reading yam at this point, it was uncanny.) These fears and considerations do not belong to a town player. They are the machinations of a scum player who gave a bullshit read at the start (which it most certainly was, especially considering Slam was playing better than I have ever seen him play) and then justified it as he went with someones elses case. If the slam train hadnt started up I'm certain Yamato would have never pointed out Slams reaction / : he probs woulda carried on and found someone else to nib at. This I feel is backed up by that post where he secretly down graded his slam lynch (probably in concert with Slam not really offering much to go after) To qoute Yamato himself . I think mafia GB randomly decided to scumread someone and fabricated the reason over multiple posts. I bilieve this is exactly what was going on with Yamato's slam read(yay hypocrisy!) THIS HAS BEEN, THE FIRST SIN, OF YAMATO COMING UP YAMATO, AN ALL SEEING GOD??! | ||
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Yamato had a slam scum read early on that was super wishy washy. The only reason he provided for this read came mid day and was someone elses read. Yamato refused to give his original cause for that early read, but confirmed that he did find slam scummy way back when foooooor reasons? | ||
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1: Yamato: Slam is scum because.........(continued on 3) Several hours later 2: Marv: Slam wouldnt react that way 3: Yamato: ........ slam wouldn't react that way. 4: Gumshoe: Wait what were you gonna say originally? 5: Yamato: Fack you scrub. Cant believe I forgot to fit this in somewhere above. | ||
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Even if you do consider the points vs players like Chrome, GB, Rayn and Onegu(player I would most want to lynch after Yamato) valid, which I dont in most cases / :, how are any of them a superior lynch to a shitty lurker who had a very obviusly scummy dynamic with the day 1 mislynch? | ||
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I'll be back later, gl town : D dont kill Rayn or gb plox. | ||
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On October 26 2015 08:03 Chromatically wrote: You're kind of telling a story here, and it's possible this story is actually true if you assume that GB is a very very emotional player and was very very scared by the possibility of the wagon being directed back to him and that he would just be unable to say anything to defend Slam for fear of being lynched. The simpler alternative is that GB just threw out a statement about Slam without worrying about it, knowing that it would have zero effect on the wagon on Slam and even less effect on the wagon on him. I'm telling a story based off my own experiences. This is how I feel in these positions and how I've noticed others feel. Could I be wrong? Possibly but my strength as a player is reading townies (usually pretty right when It comes to this), and I'm telling you unless Gb is a very effective liar he is not scum / : the possibility that he has fooled me and others who credit themselves with reading emotions, is of course real but far less than the odds that Yamato is scum for the arguments I brought up above. Whats more if Yamato is scum, based of his interactions with Gb, Gb is not scum (Gb was Yamatos only real hardcore push) Our two reads are direcly opposed to one another and because Yamato looks objectively worse than Gb theres no way I'm willing to lynch gb first. If yamato flips town, fine, then all bets are off. But till then I really dont see why we would bother lynching anyone else. | ||
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Fact 2) Gb and Yamato are not scum together. Result? We lynch Yamato before Gb. | ||
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On October 26 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote: Yes, I've tried to read him coming from a townie perspective. He could be town? Yes, but I'm fairly certain he isn't. I have you as town for filter length and activity, you seem to care about the game which is the towniest trait one can have right now. I have chromatically as town, still. I find hard to believe any scum would put so much effort into writing a scum case on you and me, reading filters and shit. I think Rayn can be mafia but his rage quit is giving me pause. Nonetheless, his flip on me + slam's read on him all points out to him being mafia. I don't trust his rage on slam very much because, well, he knows how slam plays and slam was actually being productive - but productive against Rayn. I am very suspicious of Onegu. I will always think he is a good lynch. Hopeless has some townie posts but some of them are too similar to Avogadro's mini mafia. I think gumshoe might be town just because he is defending me. I can't see mafia motivation behind defending me. Now that yamato is extremely unproductive I can see him being scum. As I said, yamato is one of the players that we can have better reads on later days. And here we are. I don't know what to do with BH. Some of his posts seems very townie, others seems like fluff. I particularly dislike his "eternal dining" posts. On the other hand, I think the has being thinking about the game critically, so he is probably town. I don't know if I forgot someone. Remember how Yamato attacked you for bullshiting against Vivax? Then casually switched over to accusing Vivax once the chance of your lynch evaporated? Theory- wouldn't that make sense, if you were wrong about Vivax and Yamato knew this cause he was scum?(hence why he was so certain you were making shit up as you went along, from his perspective as scum it would look exactly like that to him no matter you were saying about Vivax, cause the bottom line would be that your wrong)he then was fine with switching onto Vivax because wait for it! Hes scum -_- Proposal- Lets lynch Yamato, then we can come back to Vivax, if Yamato is scum, then wouldn't that tell you a bit about Vivax? | ||
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Doesn't mean i should want to lynch Onegu, a shit-tastic troll player over --, who actually plays the game. people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat. | ||
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On October 26 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote: Oh yes, ritoky. Well I can't read ritoky tbh. Tone reading, he seems townie. But he lacks some insightful posts that I usually expects him to do as town. Ritoky is town for the same Reason Yamato is scum. Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam. It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) compare this to Yam no (in reponse to a last second bus on Onegu)I find it hard to believe that Yam actually considered Slam more scummy then Onegu(this really was slams best game in a while). When prompted to switch he didn't, if he is scum, no matter what Onegu flips it's bad for him. If Onegu flips town, Yamato just led a last second switch off his Slam scum read making him look pretty terrible... If Onegu is scum, he just killed a teamate for no reason XD. Tldr, anyone who was apart of the last second push onto Onegu is probally town, Yamato was not one of these people though he had the chance to be, this in conjunction with his other sketchiness means Yamato is the best lynch T_T please vote for Yamato. Yamato 2015 | ||
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On October 26 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote: LOL that quote was originally about GB and Onegu. Thanks for helping my case And is it actually true that "people expect things of yamato"? I was under the impression that he's been mislynched a fair few times for lurking/doing nothing as town too. I know XD I blurred out GB's name. Yamato is a very experienced player, even when lurking you can see his usefulness. Theres none of that this game, all his actions have been a detriment to town. Onegu is a shit poster troll with a place in callers pantheon. Theres really no comparison between them. Also do you really think Gb is scum with Yamato? If not (which is what you should think, cause thinking otherwise would be derp) then just vote Yamato, he is far sketchier then Gb XD and if he flips scum you can easily rule out Gb as a suspect. This lynch is basically as good as lynching Gb, except we get to keep Gb and lynch scum : D | ||
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On October 26 2015 08:58 Chromatically wrote: gumshoe, lots of people weren't involved in a switch onto gumshoe and they clearly aren't all mafia. I didn't switch and marv didn't switch at the very least. Honestly I'm not that convinced on yamato at all. He's like 90% a lurker lynch for me. I don't think he's done anything I found particularly scummy (other than not posting a lot) so I feel like it's a coinflip compared to GB/Onegu. I never said that 0_0 only that the people who switched onto Onegu are town, the Yamato thing was just a bonus. explain to me how his slam read makes sense from a town perspective. Also answer my godamm question ARE YAMATO AND GB SCUM TOGETHER. | ||
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On October 26 2015 09:08 Chromatically wrote: Well you had a whole post about yamato being scum because he didn't switch to Onegu, and I was just pointing out that that applies to a lot of other players. I think you misread/misinterpreted some quotes in that first yamato case. He says that he disagrees with a townread on Slam, then that he doesn't have a solid read on Slam, and then that he's not opposed to killing Slam and gives some reasoning before voting him. Those really aren't inconsistent with each other at all. As for yamato and GB being together, it doesn't really matter right now. Maybe they can be, maybe they can't, but it's no use thinking about it until one of them flips mafia. I think GB is much more likely to flip mafia, so he's the one I'm going after. In between these two statements, a list is proposed to him, he says one player on it he wouldn't call scum, based off his prior refusal to town read slam, we can deduce hes other bieng misleading, or hes telling us that hes ok with slam bieng scum. The reasoning he provides for Slam bieng scum completely parrots Marvs reasoning (that Slam wouldn't react that way) Slam later confirms that he did find slam scummy you bore me what do you think about them? going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless not much has changed If Yamato didnt think slam was scummy, dont you think he would say that? As opposed to this shit? He also says nothings changed -_- like Chrom wtf? how do you want me to fucking take this post? This is mafia, not a giving waffley sons of bitches the benefit of the doubt simulator.As for them bieng together. Of course it matters -_- if Yamato flips scum then Gb is 100 percent town. If they are buds, why would Yamato redirect godamm fucking Marv onto Gb. [quote]Literally scumreading Vivax because too many townreads Confident Vivax is town Vivax. Paranoia is not a trait, but a symptom of his overconfidence in his own reads. He's so convinced he's right, he doesn't care if everyone else reads the player town, THAT PLAYER IS MAFIA Plus he defends me for ? reasons just to throw more shit at Vivax meh marv fell off this for basically no reason, I would have pushed him more[/quote] Getting Marv to go after Gb is one of the surest ways to get Gb killed. It's like throwing A FUCKING NUKE AT SOMEONE. and it almost results in Gb's death -_-. Gb never says much about Yamato, if Gb flips green or red it says absoloutley nothing about Yamatos alignment. But if Yamato flips scum? We can totally write off gb do you honestly not see that? cmon Chrom T_T. So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah? | ||
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On October 26 2015 09:58 Chromatically wrote: I mean he literally explains "I disagree on ritoky and I don't have a solid read on any of BH, slam, or Onegu" right? This is something I think you're misreading, I assume the underlined part in the nested quote is the intended reading of that: I am a firm believer in the fact that the best lynch is always the one that is most likely to flip mafia, and I think that's GB over yamato at this point. Lynching for information like this is nearly always a really bad idea. And after we get a mafia flip, there will be lots of information to analyze regardless of who it is. GB's flip might not say much about yamato's alignment (haven't really thought about it), but it would definitely give information on a bunch of other people. But that's something to worry about once we have a mafia flip, which is priority number one. This post kind of turned out to be a semi-yamato defense which I don't want to do any more of, because I think it's better if yamato himself explains what he was thinking in response to your case. So keep pursuing him if you think he has the objectively best chance to flip mafia! Hopefully he'll come back and explain his thought process to you and then we'll all have a better idea of his alignment. I really have no idea why your defending Yamato. Like your working so hard to make it out as if "no you dont understand, he never thought slam was scum" when he at the very LEAST figured he wasn't likely town. Which is the same pretty much -_- like, this Yamato person you imagine is so vauge with his reads that I can build an entire case against him based off how shoddy his posts comes off (thats how misleading he is) and this is a person you want to defend? How can you back up such unrestrained waffle hood. At this point I'm convinced your just arguing your point cause your just so super tunneled on Gb youll find way to disprove anyone elses argument to get your way. Which ironically is just the same with Gb and his vivax tunnel XD How can you not see that your acting the same as the person you want to lynch? It stuns me beyond measure. I'm also not lynching for info, I know 100 percent that if yam is scum then Gb is town. Therefore my goal is to convince you to lynch Yam not just to lynch scum, but so that I can prevent a Gb lynch down the road. If we lynch onegu, then that solves nothing even if hes scum. Great the troll flipped red wot now. If we lynch Yamato (who I am convinced is the most scummy player if that helps you bite down)then we can for certain know Gb is town. If you think otherwise then I'll just have to accept having one less vote to work with -_- which sucks cause I am pretty certain your green at this point. Players like you have developed all these shitty stigmas against meta and connections that youve gotten scared to make reads beyond "hmm this guy has been posting like shit, must be scum!". Going from a point "ie x had scum knowledge available to them" and looking at they're play from that lens is a valid tactic to anylyze behavior -_- Right now I can see the game unfolding before me. Yamato is the lynch pin, this is the turning point. One of Yamato and Gb is scum, the other is town. If we guess right, we can prevent a mislynch, guess wrong and were one step closer to losing. Mafia is about knowing the right player to sheep more often than not : P today thats me, tommorow its you : D Forget about your tunnel, just do me this one favor this one time. I have found scum. Help me kill that scum. now pretty fucking please, get in mah pen. ![[image loading]](http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/50/90/2509024_4383a58c.jpg) | ||
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On October 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote: Basically I can never read onegu, and I can read yamato better the later we get in the game. We will never know Onegu's alignment until endgame. Because that's how he is. And I prefer to have him lynch as soon as possible. If you can read Yam at all you should know how shit his day 1 was. In fact you of all fucking people should know that XD His contributions consisted of getting Marv to go after you, almost resulting in your lynch. Not wanting to lynch Onegue for no reason, vaugley going after Slam early and then parroting Marvs slam case back at him to explain his miday vote. I can understand chrom not wanting to see Yam as scum, cause then he has to give up his case on you -_- but how can YOU still defend Yam? Its unbelievable XD To summarize, from your perspective all Yam has been doing is advocating mislynches, providing shady undexplained reads, lurking and fucking town reading/protecting the likes of hopeless and onegue... Hopeless is a pretty ez townread IMO. I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either. WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THIS MAN. If he actually is town by some miraculous stretch, lurkers should be coming out of retirement just to throw shade his way. Instead the only person trying to bring down the man with what must be the most fantastic ratio of lurk to malevolent post this game is me XD That right there should be enough to tell the tale -_- cman gb, get in mah pen | ||
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Onegue lynched- flips green(hopefully not but yah never know)- Gb must be scum -gb lynched- town fucked. Fuck that nightmare scenario. Yam is scum, we kill Yam, we profit and avoid going under. Help me help you ) : | ||
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On October 26 2015 10:56 Chromatically wrote: gumshoe... I just don't have a problem with his Slam read. I don't really want to talk about it any more though because I think that's something he should explain more, but it's not a point against him in my book. Comparing my push on GB to GB's push on Vivax is just silly. I have, in my opinion, a rock solid case that's supported by hard evidence. That's nothing like the "case" on Vivax. I think you are reading too much into associations. You do not know 100% that GB is town if yamato is mafia, and that's based on yamato being mafia anyway, which is what we should be focusing on! Possible association reads that happen based on a flip (which there will almost certainly be some of regardless of who we're lynching) should not affect the central objective, which is lynching mafia. Say we lynch GB and he flips mafia-- now we can go into his filter and get association reads from the people he interacted with. I have not developed any stigma against meta at all. In fact, meta is a central point of my case against GB. I do have a problem with unflipped associations, because they're very often a bad idea. Basically, yamato might flip scum. But I do not think he's the best lynch today compared to GB and Onegu. So we can agree to disagree, and I'll push my reads while you push yours. Scum doesnt try and send the best player in the game against thier own team mates. If you cant accept that then I cannot trust or take seriusly anything you say. If you want to assert that associations don't mean that much, your free to do that. But if you seriously think that an experienced scumer would do that out of the blue to their own teammate. Then I have no clue what kind of people you imagine playing this game. | ||
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On October 26 2015 11:26 Chromatically wrote: Anyway gumshoe, I'm confident that you're town so I'm not sure if this is the most productive conversation to be having if you're dead set on yamato today. We can agree to disagree at this point. Lets change tak, Dont go anywhere. I'm busy tearing your argument against Gb to shreads. The format was really confusing so I hadn't dug into yet, but it's riddled with holes so if you really insist on staying aboard then I'll have blow the ship out from under you. | ||
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1:Gb is not as active as usual 2:does not push his reads like he does normally. 3:miscelanius points 1: This ones easy, activity, I have been highly active this game, I currently have 5 pages mid day 2. You only have six, are we mafia Chrom? 4 pages is plenty for day 1. More would mostly just result in thread clutter. Some players as they get better become more concise and as the initial excitement wears off they're a little less eager to post. Maybe gb is just improving at making his point without 5 million posts? Would you not regard that as an improvement? Gb is also currently active in school as we learnt earlier this game. That and he took on a ton of heat earlier and when were under attack were less free to pursue reads and were busy defending ourselves (which usually amounts to smaller posts as its just us answering questions or crying onto our keyboards, were also kinda sad so we post less overall) Does your sample size (which is already ludicrously small, with only 2 usable town games to speak of, seriously shouldn't have included the post limit one) account for any of those factors? Absolutely not. This point is utterly moot and should have never been brought to thread. 2: This also is a fairly easy point to break. Gb has pushed his Vivax read super godamm hard. Well, I think he is mafia because he is assuming things in absolutes. I'm used to see Vivax being paranoid town and him giving a bunch of town reads right out of the blue does not looks like his standard gameplay. There are a couple of similar posts like the one regarding yamato, but there are no posts where he shows the reason to his top town reads. His first post was a vote on yamato? And yes, he CAN do it as town, but his whole filter has posts in similar fashion. And I usually see Vivax being paranoid. Not this straight forward. I may be wrong here marv, but what I'm trying to say is not that he is calling people mafia, but that his posts are very straight forward here (that's what I trying to saying with "absolutes" = he calls a player mafia, he calls a player town - I don't see him having a slow progression on most people. And I'm used to Vivax being way more wary before giving reads). It's basically tonal. I think I'm having a hard time even to understand what I want to say LOL. I mean he had a couple of theories to tunnel both of you. He WASN'T straight forward. His town reads were never strong because of the tin foil. But here, less than half a day, he already has like 4 townreads, and two of them I don't even understand why. By the way, Vivax, what are the reasons to townread BH and Xata? Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by. Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours. I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it. I'm re-reading the game atm. I can go on, but I wont, suffice to say there are 12 direct Vivax is mafia posts with reasoning provided. For refrence, Marv the guy with a 10 page filler has only 10 posts with actual points against slam, the day 1 lynch. What kind of super human standard are you holding Gb too? The guy argued against Vivax until all of town collectively jumped on his dick for it. He woulda gone on for sure if he didnt have to spend time defending himself -_- did he have ward off the likes of Rayn and Marv AND Yamato in the games you mentioned? Have you not considered the situation at fucking all? Despite all that he is extremely passionate about his Vivax case, I dont know how you can say he isn't 0_0. as town, GB not only pushes his target a lot, but is very passionate about doing so (doing capslock or spamming the thread to vote for his target). As mafia, he may have a target but he is much calmer about it and doesn't seem to be very invested in the lynch saying something is dispassionate doesn't make it dispassionate. Are we even playing the same game? Gb had more activity day 1 then the vast majority of town(more than me and you and me) thats not even considering that he had class Wednesday. Oh and heres your caps lock I HAVE READ THE THREAD I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!?? JESUS CHRIST how is this diffrent compared to the ones you showed? Cherry picking is fun, but it doesnt really have a place here Chrom / : Oh and the Rayn lynch you mentioned was an association read of Vivax, didn't really count on it's own. I dont blame Gb for not pushing his lynch harder than he already was come lynch time XD, he had no thread power whatsoever and people who did have it were firmly against him, what would you have him do, push for Vivax until town lynched gb just to shut him up? 3: Miscelanius points. Point 1! I thought these were very strange posts to get reads from. Why does my post in there give him such a strong townread on me? I LITERALLY said that BH hasn't done anything alignment indicative and I get a day pass for it??? What? The posts from ritoky and Xatalos he quoted also seemed very strange, since I do not consider those posts particularly town at all. This doesn't make sense from town, but it makes sense from a mafia trying to manufacture their town reads on players they already know are town. Why does scum need to manufacture town reads on players who look super shitty? Wouldnt that be a bad idea 0_0 town can infer from several little cues why someone would be town, I have green cleared people for far less this game(I think I green lighted rickoty for coming after me at one point, thats all), why arent you attacking me right now for that? You know that your town chrom and you know your taking heat, in this situation why does gb feel compelled to like you if hesscum when he can just set you up as a lynch target, or just say hes null on you? This point makes no sense from a scum perspective whatsoever unless your all his scum buddies XD, but it can make sense from a derpy or intuitive townie. misc point 2 Yamato isn't an easy catch day1 by the way, Viv. He is actually very hard to catch because a lot of times he is town he also AFK's and die because of that. Like the last time he smurfed and got lynched. I think it's Himalayas? you actually cherry picked this point like a champ. This a continuation pretty much of a previous post in which hes scum reading Vivax Vivax you KNOW that if yamato is town he will eventually come to the thread and try. It has been like that for a long time. It's the kind of player that you get better read on him as the game goes by. Instead you decided to push him at the start of day 1 and is actually scum reading him for being AFK for less than 24 hours. He wasnt advising Vivax, he was given an example of how Yamato plays, to back up his accusation that Vivax was laying into Yamato early on -_- this is more along the lines of "you should know this, therefore your scum for not" rather than "heres some friendly advise kind stranger!" Tldr. 1:Gb does actively push his read on Vivax. 2:Activity in this case doesnt work as an argument considering the weakness of your sample and the extenuating circumstances. 3: The points you raise against him, that he town reads non townie players that are actually fucking townie (which is dumb cause there's no reason to do that as scum, it can actually come back to bite you pretty hard as a point of contention.) and that he some how interrupts his fight with vivax to teach him(which is so dumb, because for starters that doesnt make him scum and for enders he didn't interrupt it, he was continuing a point) are all dumb. Come back with a non troll case plox. | ||
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On October 26 2015 12:33 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not defending yamato, I'm voting him. Let me ask you a question: if yamato flips green, does it change your read on me? Not paticularly, I town read you for tone, and the slam thing. If yamato flips green, it just means he may or may not have been wrong about you. Nothing else. The only thing that really says anything is a red flip. ie if Yam is scum, you must be town, the inverse applies as well if you flip red. Basically you COULD both be town, or its 1 and 1, but you cant both be scum. But yam is way scummier, so he always goes first. If he does flip green, I dont actually know what tommorows lynch will look like. The rayn killers will probally come back, people will call for your head, Onegu will probally be the only viable lynch but I'm not 100 percent sold on him as scum as I am yam. If it comes to that well deal with it then, but I dont think itll come to that / : | ||
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On October 26 2015 12:40 Chromatically wrote: I really don't want to go through that whole post gumshoe so I don't think I will, unless other people really agree with your points and want me to do it. In my case, I made the clear point that his activity in this game was more similar to his activity as mafia than as town. I also showed how the way he pushed his Vivax read is not the same as how he pushes cases as town (providing quotes from other games). The caps lock post you quoted as an example of passion is not relevant, because that post is just GB yelling at rayn for something, not pushing a read passionately like he does as town. I was pretty impressed at how many insults and condescending phrases you worked into that post though, given that I've been nice to you about your yamato posts I disagree with! I'm sorry ) : I'm super mean when I'm trying to get a lynch together. It's my equivalent to driving on the highway. I honestly think your very smart and my meaness is more like a tick than anything else. I'll try to keep it civil from now on. for the activity, 4 pages is alot considering he was busy day 1 and that he was coming under heat for most of it. The vivax case was high jacked by others laying into him for it, so it mostly became him explaining himself, which is a pretty townie thing to have happen / : also your sample size is really unreliable, which you said as much and should invalidate that whole filter point from the get. If it was like 2 pages I'd get it, but 4 is more than me or you / : it's an active filter. Basically, the points you bring up feel null rather than scummy. More like stumbling townie than a scummer trying to burn posts while standing by a terrible lynch target that town is flaming them for. | ||
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Actual point: Slam was playing seriously, yet you were certain he was scum and concluded that hes a huge troll for not being scum... How can you be certain Xata is not just a huge troll as well? Where does your deliusional confidence stem from Rayn? Can I have a hit? Why should we ever trust you if you dont actually give a fuck? Oh wait you dont give a fuck, so yeah, guess we should just not bother trusting or listening you. Tip 1(dont read this unless you want to be offended+ Show Spoiler + )Do everyone a favor and leave the thread. Other people want you to contribute, but I dont. I want you to go, because everything your going to say for the rest of the game is going to be poison and the only way I see scum winning is if they can somehow harvest your terrible reads as a reusable power source to fuel thier scum ray. Tip2 (dont read unless you want to be even more offended):+ Show Spoiler + Why not get drunk again? I would honestly rather you get modkilled at this point, that way we dont have to listen to your trash and risking spending a lynch on you. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:13 GlowingBear wrote: Im really trying not to be bad manner I am not as strong as you ) : I am also certain Rayn is town, which makes this worse for me. | ||
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a) Xata is scum, I was right all along. b) Xata is a huge troll and a terrible player, and he deserved to be lynched. The absolute arrogance displayed in this line of reasoning is truly revolting. Heres a harsh truth for you Rayn, regardless of how shitty a player is, when you mislynch them, it's every bit as much your fault as it is theirs (Scum Rayn actually gets that better than you do XD). Given THIS paticular situation, it's entirely your fault because Slam and xata are not playing badly by any stretch, there just off here and there. Honestly, take it from a guy whose been mislynched more times than hes won games, just because someone finds you scummy, and your town, doesnt mean they are scum 0_0 The they should know better line of reasoning is by no means absolute and should not be enough to fuel the unbridled indignation you have been flaunting since the end of day 1. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote: I might not be around at deadline since I'm ill and being ill isn't allowed tomorrow. I would really like to set everything straight with those I think are town long before any shenannies can cause a ruckus way too early before deadline. In the last couple of hours my read on rayn has worsened and the read on GB has improved somewhat. I typed up a question asking him if he still thinks I'm mafia but I figure he still does for some reason. What's good for him is that he's on a good wagon with two who I think are very likely town and myself. Rayn is being a complete dick and I know he likes to do that as mafia. Chrom freaks me out with his persistence on GB over yamato. That said, I wouldn't mind lynching rayn any more, I would even lynch him before GB to make the thread more enjoyable, and cause he doesn't shine town to me as he does to Chrom for some reason. So I'm calling early shenannies on rayn: ##Unvote ##Vote raynpelikoneet Grats Rayn, thanks for this. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care what you think of me, i am asking to read my cases on D2. No, summarize them for me in clear concise points. Your filter is a huge pain to go through because you turned it into a trolly dumpster. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey, i know you will do this 100% of the time. and i don't care. i am trying to tell who is mafia, just because i am not being nice to people i don't wanna be nice to doesn't mean i am not scumhunting. Fair enough, lynch me, i won't even resist, since noone will ever have a case on me. But read my posts, if not before my death, after. ok? Goals of mafia. 1: Find scum 2: GET TOWN TO LYNCH SCUM Getting people to do shit is 90 percent of the game. You dont do that by acting like you have. If you want to just be a detective, go do some logic puzzles or play some visual novels,( I reccomend the phoenix wright games : D) if you wanna be a cock, you have the whole of the internet for that. Here we have to work together to achieve our goals. Your behavior is total antithesis to that and is therefore objectively bad. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl. - points to Xatalos' filter - Yeah not gonna fly, want me to take you seriously, act serious. But I can dispel this bullshit with just this. townie players have less knowledge then mafia and tend to have shittier reads as a result. They are also more comfortable posting in thread so they can make mistakes from time to time cause they're not 100 percent on guard. Ergo, large whaky filters do not always make for scum. They are null at best. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: [b]seriously guys, i don't take called mafia easy. i get fucking mad for it, when people call me mafia for no reason. I never do. So you have three chances: 1) you think i am mafia which is where you vote for me 2) you think i am town and an idiot who cant find mafia where you do not address me at all 3) you think i am town and you will at least have a reasonable conversation with me I have not been So... whatever you choose. I think GB/ritoky/???? is mafia. I want a case from you, put together something with effort, you ask alot of questions and expect people to know right away why the questions you ask are super relevant to finding scum. I'm not saying they aren't, you just need to let us in on your thought process so we can respond to you easily. Go try hard for at least one post before you die. Use at least 4 quotes or something I dont care. Just compile all your evidence against someone together in one post and imagine that were idiots(shouldn't be hard for you)-ie make it clear as possible- for the duration of that post. Yamato and Gb arent both scum and I'm set on yam, so you probably cant convince me, but you can at least get town off your back for playing like a but / : | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote: im basically never going to vote for Xata or Rayn (maybe rayn in lylo) they're my top town. Loving gumshoe's and BH's recent posting, like chromatically as well. Kind of null about GB, I'd vote him but more on a PoE basis. ##Vote: Yamato77 also you guys voting rayn while thinking hes town....you're as bad as him for doing that. Wow, you just made it to the top of my hugs list. It's not impossible that you were pulling a lurk shoe but not gonna lie your support may wind up being a detriment to my campaign T_T I never really found anything too scummy in your posting like I did Yam, but yeah it's good to have you here reading the thread. | ||
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This is just dirty, Rayn knows hes town, therefore any reason Gb provides for Rayn being scum is proof to Rayn as to why Gb is actually scum. It's kinda like my initital Yamato reasoning but cruder. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:48 Xatalos wrote: Well that's progress.... As someone said, it's practically impossible to be 100% correct with a huge filter like this. Since I'm town, I don't have perfect information. You might have that information as scum and laugh at some mistakes I've made (like the momentary lapse of including marv in a potential scumteam), but your other reads have been simple bullshit (read on me - false, read on Slam - false, reads on yamato/Onegu - most likely false). Dunno about GB, but you at least haven't convinced anyone on him with your own posts. So if you're scum, I guess I can understand saying these things, but if you're town, it's just unbelievable arrogance and overestimation of your own contributions. What do you think of Hopeless supporting my Yam lynch? Could it be a bus? I'll be honest, out of the three prime lurkers this game (hopeless, yam, onegu) I think hopeless is most likely to be an actual townie lurker. But yeah I'll look at his super short filter again -_- maybe I missed something | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: no GB just gave rteasions why he should have AT LEAST CONSIDER ME town over Slam on D1. He didn't. You were laying into Gb hard man, it's super easy to want to lynch someone whose attacking you. You of all people should understand that XD he also sorta town read/didntwannlynch slam from the start, so thats consistent. Are you still on about Slams play? It was fine, chill out, theres games where slam just talks about kush for days. This was a marked improvement -_- Gb as your defacto lawyer this game, Rayn has declared his vote will stay on Xata, until that statement changes I don't recommend talking to him as he doesn't actually have any way to threaten you. That and he might just use everything you say as a way to condemn you / : | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what happened, regardless of if you want to address it or not; - rayn calls GB town - rayn calls GB scum, explains why he changes his view -- see yamato/Vivax, mostly Vivax) - GB calls rayn town - GB asks about his scumreads from rayn (or townreads -- but still rayn too) - rayn says "you are not reading the thread" - GB says "yes i have" - rayn says "well then you would know my stance (also marv's/chrom's)" - GB says okay so gimme reads on ppl - rayn says "haha you're scum" - GB says oh i just now figured out rayn is mafia i wanna vote for him ..... D2: GB argues that what i did on D1 (when he called me mafia) is inside my townplay... ^_^ why is he protecting you as scum at this point? You know your town Rayn, why isnt he pushing your wagon? Like seriously townies, inconsistent reads are only scummy if they correlate with scummy objectives bad play/inconsistent play does not equal scum. Compare this to Yams day 1 case of Slam which went like this Slam is scummy(no reasons provided) slam is not so scummy(no reasons provided) Slam is scum now that a wagon has formed on him (provided Literally marvs reasons but respun) gumshoe: Hey yam, why did you find slam scummy inititally? Yam: fak you Result- slamie townie is mislynched. See how this inconsistent read correlates with a scum agenda? Thats scummy : D. Compared to Gbs akward waffling and protection of Slam, as well his non scum sensible protection of you, a townie doing his very best to get lynched, theres really no comparison. That and only one of them can be scum. | ||
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On October 27 2015 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: if you think this i think you might want to lynch me no? why would I waste a lynch on your salty butt? | ||
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So you have three chances: 1) you think i am mafia which is where you vote for me 2) you think i am town and an idiot who cant find mafia where you do not address me at all 3) you think i am town and you will at least have a reasonable conversation with me Number 2 is the winner. At some point, after Yam flips scum and you eat some crow, maybe we can talk about exploring 3, till then this thread should just collectively agree to ignore everything you say / : | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm i get you don't get it as you don't know my alignment and the situation at the moment. Of course I know your alignment, your Rayn the dumbass townie. Your not the kind scum player who would default to using his shit meta to get a pass from town. Everyone plays mafia for a different thrill. Your not like blazing hand, its not enough for you to just get by, you want to win with dignity(ironic giving this situation XD). I explained how a scum Rayn would go about doing that, your whiny shit fit did not resemble that all. That and your day 1 looks reasonably townie so yeah / : your town, and your a butt. | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: like... you sound like Xatalos... read the post again please. then re-read the thread. You need to convince me Rayn, XD its not the other way around. I dont see what you see, so ethier use a fucking lens to show me or just accept thats its not reall there. | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:12 Chromatically wrote: Yeah we seriously should be lynching GB. I don't care if people say I'm tunneled. But it looks like it's not going to happen and I'm about out of effort to push it with. I wrote a whole strong meta thing and have talked about it all day today and everyone's just like, "actually GB is town because I like this one post that sounds vaguely okay". Look at his total disinterest in the lynch today. He isn't even trying to push a target. He votes yamato, says he would prefer Onegu, and now is voting rayn over them for being annoying..? Oh well though. I don't know what else to say at this point. I looked into your meta thing. Your argument that Gb isnt pushing as hard as normal doesnt consider that 1) Gb has been busy and has had classes 2) Gb came under a ton of heat for pushing a derpy scum read(which is a townie thing btw) and had to spend time defending himself 3) by non Gb standards he pushed his case pretty hard, which considering you only have to valid 2 town games in your sample size should be enough to takethis point down to null. I also countered the miscellaneous points you brought up 1) Gb wasnt teaching vivax he was continuing a 'vivax is scum' point from before 2) Theres no reason to give town passes to sketchy players as scum unless they're your buds (you know your town so yeah, thats one point against that possibility), mislynches are scums lifeblood, scum want to create an environment of negativity and distrust, building bridges with lynchable townies is not the way to do that. | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Scum QT: Xatalos: rayn is annoying gumshoe: yeah Xatalos: lynch him gumshoe: no we cant Xatalos: yeah we can gumshoe: i am not sure Xatalos: yes lynch him gumshoe: mhmhm.---- ok Xatalos: gogogoog gumshoe: no you have been bad Xatalos: no i am good gumshoe: fuck you Xatalos: shit gumshoe: but what if GB gets lynched? Xatalos: so bad gumshoe: yes to be continued.... ignorance is bliss This sig becomes funnier every time I see it. | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote: Actually I have no clue what rayn is doing right now being a huge scrub. | ||
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On October 27 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay gumshoe, if you are town, look at the fact that GB calls me mafia for the same things that he called me town earlier (no Xatalos, this is different). I don't wanna write up a big post, so.. meh.. Early in the game I town read Ritoky for coming after him, later on when I was considering him mafia, I scum read him for that same reason in my head -_- we dont always keep everything in a neat orderly fashion in our brains. Besides, scum are more likely to be afraid of getting tripped up by that shit than town and it doesn't correlate to a scum agenda(if Gb is scum there is no reason not to be pushing you, you are making it super easy). | ||
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I am just showing you how it feels when someone refuses to listen to what your actually saying and spending thier time dallying about in the magical world of neverwrongaboutanythingevercauseimraynbitchesssssssssssss. But yeah, if your actually trying then your totally wrong, which would by definition make you a scrub / : | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote: Having classes shouldn't make you play like your scum meta. Pushing a bad read relentlessly is not townie, it's very easy for mafia to continue pushing one read the whole time even if no one listens to them. Non-GB standards don't matter because we're talking about GB, and I don't think he pushed it hard in either case. Giving town reads for no reason is something mafia do often because it's very easy for them to do. I am so so sick of arguing with you about this because I've done it all day and for some absurd reason you are so so certain that GB is town that you spend so much time hard defending him. I'm pushing my read, the one that everyone agreed was mafia and yet somehow wasn't even close to getting lynched today, where everyone jumped on yamato at the first opportunity with little reasoning. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think so though. Hopefully yamato will flip mafia. I told you my reason, I dont think scum gb wouldnt jump on the slam lynch -_- if you dont find that convincing Im not suprised, as I know whats its like to be commited to your own lynch come hell or high water, but you should at least remember it / : Also I think Yam is scum, therefore Gb cannot be town, if you dispute this then we have diffrent perceptions of people in general (im not trying to be mean, I'm just saying this is pivotal point I base all my reads on) They cannot both be scum, yam looks kinda scummy, Gb looks more derpy, therefore I would never want gb to get lynched first because if yam flips scum then we can clear gb 100 percent. So yeah, I will never consider the possibility of a gb lynch until yam flips. Thats why I am hard defending him / : Also for better or worse, I am the only one willing to discuss your case with you T_T so make do I suppose. | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah it loosk "good on you" I look forward to the banlist discussion after this game, mah Rayn predictions "fuck this shitty mafia site, your all trolly scrubs who dont actually want to play the game, none of you can comprehend my genius, Later all you shits." 2 months later /in lol bro dont you mean /sitout? | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: enough. fuck you and read my posts. Put some effort and make them clearer instead of treating us all like idiots that cannot comprehend the mafia miracle that is Raynpeliokoneet! Though what I have seen has not at all swayed me / : | ||
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Nice. But GB is not mafia see how convincing that is? Man why do even write cases when we can just do this all day. | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe did you read my case? something about time travel? why would you ever quote a post and another post and make them appear in non-timelogical order? please place the posts in the right order and make a case scum. I have made this mistake before. I almost made it several times this game. Rayn this is gonna blow your mind... did you know... that... FUCK UP TOWNIES TEND TO FUCK UP. | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:32 Chromatically wrote: Wait actually I didn't understand what rayn was saying about GB for a bit but I think I get it now. First rayn says that he thinks GB is mafia. Then GB says that he thinks rayn is town. Then GB later says that he thinks rayn is mafia because rayn flipped his read on him. But that doesn't make sense at all because he said that rayn was town earlier and the read flip had already happened. 1) Change his mind 2) didnt see the post till later 3) Mighta just fucked up, so what? 4) If Gb is scum, his primary reads are Vivax, who he gets nearly lynched for, and Rayn, someone with tremendous clout in thread at the time of his scum read? WHY IS HE MAKING LIFE HARD FOR HIMSELF. How does this make sense for scum? Inconsistencies DO NOT = SCUMINESS. They CAN result in lynches, in the absence of better scum reads, which we are not lacking, and they can mean scum when they match up with a scum agenda. Gbs play is that of a suicidal townie, trying to push his dumbass reads and not doing it very well. Not a scummer -_- | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: let's assume this is true. how do you find mafia? ever? Find people who are making shit up to produce mislynches. Going after people in a townie circle jerk is a terrible way to do this. Yamato for instance, only goes after sketchy townies (like gb) and people with wagons on them (slam) He also has inconsistencies in his filter because he is making shit up to suit his mislynch of the hour( like how he abandons his gb push on a whim once the gb train dies down and jumps on vivax who he was confident was town at the start) or stealing from others (marv) to back up his votes. Whats more if you aproach yams play from the assumption that hes scum EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE. If you aproach gb from the perspective that hes scum NOTHING MAKES SENSE. so yeah, thats how I catch scum / : | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:39 GlowingBear wrote: Because I was afraid I could be OMGUSing. Then other people, especially slam, brought suspicions on him and it made sense to me. You really should just stop talking to them, your not going to convince these people -_- theyll just twist everything you say against you. Its what tunneled townies do. The only cure is a successful mafia lynch on Yam. | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:44 GlowingBear wrote: Whatever, I'm tired of talking about this. I want Rayn gone because I'm not having fun with him in this game more than I actually think he is mafia. I am not mafia. You decide if this is true or not. Getting ready for classes now. Bye bye. just ignore rayn, if your town kill yam : P you can shut him up that way. | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: then never call me an idiot unless you are scum you asshat. your an idiot. | ||
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On October 27 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: please lynch gb. What do I get if your wrong? | ||
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Not good enough XD but you get the same if I'm wrong about Yam : P | ||
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Chrom is tunneled forever, I feel I have accurately addressed his case, he disagrees but thats nature of the beast. Rayn lead the day 1 mislynch, has been consistently wrong about everyone here, doesn't respect us as equals, and should not deserve our attention or consideration. Yamato 2015 | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: dont have any opposition on yamato lynch, he is just town. By the very definition of lynching mafia that's opposition XD | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's nice you ahve some balls gumshoe. the next thing you gotta do is to learn to read some posts. I have read every single post in this game. I have given your arguments fair consideration, and I feel I can chalk them up to townie stupidity, something GB IS capable of showcasing as town. Whereas Yamato basically played super sketch day 1, and then just checked out day 2, cause he knew anything he would say would be used against him (like how you use every little thing gb fucks up on against him) Yamato is generally helpful as town, whereas all his actions this game has aligned with scum. That and I really only need to get Yamato to flip red to prove gb is green. So no point going through the motions of mislynching gb. Lets me test your brain Rayn, can Yamato and gb be scum together? | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: "i think yamato is mafia because rayn is not voting for him, but regardless od who rayn is voting for it's an okay lynch" Youve been acting like such an ass clown that at this point yes, I am quite happy your not on my side of the wagon. Its says alot that I'm more comfortable having hopeless on Yam then you. Not because your scum, but rather cause I feel you would make me wrong about everything just by association with you -_- | ||
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YES the troll is done : D bye bye scrub, see yah after the red flip. | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: seems like you've learned another things aswell. well, you can have your lynch. i'll call you scum after. gl with that : P | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote: my mouth is dry from how salty this thread is. holy fuk. I've tried to reason with Rayn when hes like this before in other games, doesnt really work, so this game I've employed a diffrent aproach : D | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:48 Blazinghand wrote: So we're all on board then? ##unvote ##vote hopeless1der Nah, hes one the only lurkers I could see bieng town. Also hes voting Yamato / : even if hopeless is scum he might just be busing his teammate. I see no reason to shift course. | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote: idk i already moved past my frustration with rayn and started reading his posts again cuz i had peanut butter this morning and it changed my perspective on life.....not really. i wish rayn would post more insightful things like this: cuz that's a good post. 97% scum -> rayn doesn't post -> less scum, other people higher priority. that needs to be sufficiently explained because it is a weird progression. he also asked onegu some questions about yamato and didn't really deliver on the back end, but they were good questions. idk rayn might be town....although he thinks i am mafia which makes me laugh. also BH, hopeless posted; where u at? u got a promise to deliver on. Meh, Xata may have pocketed me pretty hard, but if Yam flips scum that should pretty much clear him so once again, no reason to shift course. I dont doubt Rayn has a good eye for contradictions, but when those issues dont actually align with a scum motive (as in how does it benefit Xat to town read Rayn when he needs at least 3 more mislynches) they really aren't that convincing. | ||
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On October 27 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote: Ehhh I see no reason to think of him as town but if there's no support there's no support. Who are the other guys I should be analyzing besides Yam Currently looks like gb or yam for actual lynch. Rayn and Onegu are on the back burner. I dont see anyone whose not in those 4 dying today, even with maximum shananies, | ||
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On October 27 2015 05:55 Chromatically wrote: I agree with a lot of that post, BH. But honestly I would argue that our biggest threat to our ability to win is lynching mafia, not lynching people who don't play the game. Lurkers are really bad for town in this setup, but I think we have to consider if lynching a lurker is our best chance of hitting mafia. I don't think it is right now, but clearly many disagree. A useless lurker, WITH scummy traits, whose playing against his meta : P Not a bad shot at all. | ||
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On October 27 2015 05:57 Chromatically wrote: The yamato lynch isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just very confident in GB. But it's doubtful it will happen today anyway. The problem is they are not both scum / : when Yam flips red you better give up your gb read. Else we gonna have problems. | ||
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On October 27 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote: Ok, I totally get what you're getting at here. there's an argument to be made, and it is a totally reasonable one, that perhaps all lurkers are town and all active players are mafia, and we should lynch into the most suspicious active players. And in a sense, I think that is not 100% wrong. For example; I think rayn needed an extension and some time to sort out his rage and unwillingness to play. But there are what, 4 lurkers here out of 11 players? It's almost certain that there's at least one mafia in the lurk group, and there are ones like Hopeless1 and Yamato who are literally playing just enough to not ge tmodkilled (remember, this game has no activity requirement). If I were scum this game, I'd just never post and it would be easy. In fact, I feel really certain at least one scum, or maybe all scum, are doing this. And why not? There's a vocal contingent of people (including the lurkers themselves) who do not want to lynch into lurkers We have to think smarter. Normally, lurkers are handled by modkills for failure to meet posting requirements, or cops, or vigilantes, or at the very least some blues make it to LYLO and claim and we have a narrow lynch pool. We have none of those tools this game. People are abusing the ability to lurk, and sure, ti sounds like they have reasons, but there's no reason scum can't just fake reasons. As scum, I would. We need to solve this problem ourselves. We obviously can't lynch every lurker, since doing so is the same as guessing all scum are lurkers (if 2-3 of them are town, we'll run out of lynches and lose probably first). But we can lynch the worst lurker or two, the ones we'll never get a read on, and I'm gambling on one of them being scum. Obviously none of these guys are gonna shot if they're town. What will you do in LYLO when it's all lurkers and scum, or all lurking scum we're refusing ot lynch? We can't have that. Gb will always LOOK worse than Yam because there's a filter to look at. He could have eaisly chosen to never post and he'd be just like Yam, protected by "well, we can't just lynch lurkers, or we'd lose". GB CHOSE TO PLAY. He chose to play the damn game, to try to solve things, even if he's super wrong and dumb, and MAKING THAT CHOICE, that's a town thing. If he's scum, he didn't have to post SHIT. He just had to let the thread implode. He stepped up! HE STEPPED UP. Don't punish that. you so sexy. | ||
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On October 27 2015 06:12 Chromatically wrote: My biggest problem with a Hopeless lynch is that I feel like tomorrow will turn into an exact repeat of today where gumshoe pushes yamato all day and I don't want to do that all again honestly. Well the goal is to lynch the one with the best shot of bieng scum (Which I DO think is Yam but of course we can disagree) but yeah, I do think waiting a day for Yams flip would be too much for my heart T_T | ||
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On October 27 2015 06:22 Blazinghand wrote: Hmm, so it looks like Yam made some general commentary without doing any hard pushes (though he semed on board with slam lynch) during D1. Then he faded out at the end of D1 and has commented rarely since. His reasoning has to do with morale and vidja games Hopeless1 has literally only posted one-liners except for this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=107#2125 and similarly dropped off at the end of D1. His excuse was that he was partying all weekend due to his new job, which is less likely to be true (since yam's is true whether he's scum or town). He spent a lot of time tlaking about my rng, voted slam literally expressly as a sheep, and asked/answered a few basica questions. I guess this post by Yam: Is probably better than the entire hopeless filter combined even though it's mostly BS. Generally, it seems like Hopeless1 is a slightly better lynch to me. At least Yam was like, commenting on stuff what he was alive, right? But honestly both these guys need to die. Hmm, this is a valid objection I suppose. How about we be ready to shenannie onto H1 if Yam is gonna get modkilled due to failure to vote? This might be the win-win we're looking for I could compromise to this / : we would basically remove both primary lurkers at once. Though I don't like the possibility of yam coming back T_T | ||
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On October 27 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote: I think it might be too risky after all... Considering yamato could just vote like 10 seconds before the deadline and we'd be screwed then. He would probs just say "sorry guys, got here last sec ima vote now" and Rayn would give him a pass cause fuck me. Honestly I would commit to this if we had a more solid town. But as it stands we have 3 major x factors Rayn, Onegu, Yamato and to a lesser extent chrom hopeless ritoky gb. The lower group is mostly town, but I honestly cant totally trust not to do something super stupid. The upper group I actually totally trust, to fuck shit up that is. Basically there are 7 players this game that I really dont want to rely on and for a plan like this, the bare minimum would be a majority of townies post shot who I could count on to react to even the worst case scenario. We dont have that. Lets just keep things simple for today / : | ||
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Hopeless could you get in here? People want to kill you for the sake of efficiency / : and im not entirely sure they're wrong. | ||
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The choice now should be the following- Do we go for the double kill and lynch hopeless or Onegu? 2 players we all agree are fairly sketch. Or do we play it safe and just lynch Yam in case he comes back, taking into consideration that Rayn is awful and our town tomorrow could be to shitty to lead another lynch. These are the two best options, nothing else should be considered atm. | ||
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it'll literally be "damm that sucks, sorry guys I was wrong ) : but seriously, go fuck yourself Rayn." | ||
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Gn yall, gl. Bh ritoky Rayn probally chrom and maybe xat (I still think his sheer activity disqualifies him as scum, but he might be playing a holyflare level game, dont think it's likely though) are the only people I really consider full town atm. No one else deserves a pass and should be cast under a lens. Back to the drawing board T_T | ||
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But I could definitely be wrong / : I def wouldnt lynch rayn before gb onegu hopeless though. | ||
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On October 28 2015 01:57 Xatalos wrote: Going forward, I guess a lurker/policy lynch on D1 would be the best option. No risk of arguments going overboard. On another note, it'll be interesting to see who gets shot tonight. Maybe Vivax, BH, gumshoe or me... It should depend on what the actual scumteam is. It'll be Bh, hes the most calm level headed person here. The one that most agree is town. I just engineered a lynch on a townie so its not gonna be me / : and theres no reason for scum to end the shit show that is you and Rayn. Barring scum incompetence and weird meta, Bh is probs done. Bh, you gotta get as many reads in as possible tonight ) : So I dont think we have much choice in the next few lynches. Chrom is probs town, as there was no reason to push Gb as hard as he did when the lynch was already going great for scum. So adding him to my town pile only leaves a few possibilitys. Hopeless never mentioned yam at all really until his vote, so thats an obvius one. Onegu's vote on hopeless was super pointless for a townie. The kind of thing I could see him doing because he knew both wagons (gb and yam) were town and wanted to be like "hah! I was the only guy who knew what was up yo" he may have also wanted to distance himself from hopeless. Early on Onegu mentioned that he wouldnt be very useful, but that he would be fairly right most of the time. sounds kinda like scum no? You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong. Then theres Gb, there may not be any way to avoid lynching him honestly / : so long as players like chrom and rayn are set on Gb, town cant really function. That and I might have just been wrong about him T_T I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence. I will say that if Onegu and hopeless arent both scum, then someone here has been playing a really good game. Which means were in trouble ) : If we want a certain lynch, these two would probally be best. But it might too much for town to function until we've cleared Gb so hes the other choice / : Between Hopeless and Onegu, I would lynch hopeless first. Otherwise Gb will have to go just as a matter of course / : even though I really am not that sold on him. | ||
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On October 28 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote: No way you defend me like you did and say this, gumshoe. No way. Yes way, I was wrong yesterday Gb. 100 percent wrong. My only chance to win this game is to not do that here on out. That requires read revaluations / : A large part of my town read on you was also predicated on Yam being scum, thats fallen through unfortunatly T_T which means though your not at the top of my list I do not consider you as townie as Rayn, Bh, Xat,chrom and Ritoky and would not lynch any of them before you. Which greatly limits my options / : | ||
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On October 28 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote: Oh yeah I missed this post. I wondered a bit where GB found his quote. Is the "calling a shitstorm" referring to calling rayn scum? Well, since we have one "free" mislynch left, I guess GB wouldn't be the WORST option. At least lynching him would solve a lot of mysteries about how the game has went. Unlike say, lynching hopeless. But lynching rayn would be equally informative and more likely to hit scum IMO... Then there's Onegu too.... No, someone else, If chrom(why push gb as hard as he did day 2? Would look like shit after a green flip), ritoky(the onegu shenani and a general town vibe) bh(obviusly) rayn(twat) you(also obs) and me(most obs) are town and one of us is getting shot. That only leaves 4 suspects. three of which should be scum. If im actually right this time, we win as long as we dont lynch outside those 4. Its that or enough scum have been outclassing town that winning is gonna be a real bitch. All that said we really cant afford to waste our mislynch on Rayn T_T Historically I've been very good at reading him as town when everyone wants his head so though I agree 100 percent that he deserves a fire beneath his feet, it's not how were gonna win / : bonus points for Rayn. I dont think he would have shot marv n1 considering marv was controlling town and defending him, I also dont buy a scum Rayn bieng this mean to you Xata. Rayn is only this much of an ass to people hes actually emotional twoards / : that and Rayn's day 1 looked fine. If Gb flips scum, thats all the more reason to write Rayn off as town / : so if we do plan on lynching gb at some point, rayn would only come after that if ever. | ||
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OF COURSE GB is going to have more weird flipflops and flaws than yamato; yamato literally hasn't posted. You can't say GB looks worse than yamato and have that be a meaningful statement. With not even two pages of filter, theres no way that Hopeless looks more scummy than anyone here / : I dont doubt that hes very careful about not slipping up, the whole notion that scum will deliver themselves to us on a platter is something I have fought with people from mah very first game. Scum are fairly capable of not looking all that scummy / : If Hopeless is town, than that means that means at least 2 scum have outclassed town enough that if even we play optimally we lose almost no matter what. Shitty, yes. But I'm not gonna vote for someone I am confident is town just because the actual town fucked up that bad / : | ||
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Basically it comes down to my opinion of Rayn as a person. I've played voice mafia, video mafia and forum mafia with rayn more than any other player. Weve yelled at eachother, weve lynched eachother, like and disliked one another. I once swore on my life to him that I was town. And you know what? He believed me, but was fucking mad at me for what he considered cheating . The godamm nerve. That Rayn, WOULD get pissed at slam, for what in his mind is a gross breach of conduct (dont ask how, it all makes sense in his head) But as scum? Hed just let it go with a passing remark of anger or apology , and move on to the next lynch. Because thats his code, in Rayns head there is respectable way to play mafia. The code allows him to act like this in response to people breaking the code, but him using like this, in a way that loses towns respect and forfiets control, thats not how rayn plays or wants to win as scum ) : Thats not the evil Rayn I know, and if hes willing to break that meta, fine, but as a result I would think less of him, and I think on some level he would think less of himself. So if I lose cause I had faith in what I know of Rayn, fine let it be, and he wins by emulating all the he hates, let it be again. Because there are more important things at play here. | ||
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On October 28 2015 05:51 Blazinghand wrote: In terms of "maximum chance to get a scummer tomorrow" Onegu is up there I recall people saying "one of yam+gb must be scum"-- I'll go looking for the reasoning why-- do you remember why people were on about this? It was my argument. They can both be town, but they cannot both be scum (because Yamato basically went after Gb with MAXIMUM kill aggresion, ie directing marv BACK onto Gb.) It has no bearing now / : they could both be town. The application of it was that if Yam is scum, gb is town, and vice versa. Therefore you should lynch the one your most certain is scum to protect the townie between them, which if one is scum, then the other is town and needs protecting. Doesnt do much atm T_T | ||
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Is the only explanation that makes sense to me... I cant believe rayns bitchy play came full circle and actually HELPED town. He was was such a bother for both factions that he wound up functioning as an honorary BG for Bh...wow, just wow. | ||
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On October 28 2015 07:56 Xatalos wrote: What... the.... fuck? I Know 0_0 its hard not to overthink this. I think the onegu, gb, hopeless train was pretty set last night. If scum liked that lineup, they wouldnt have done anything to rock the boat is my guess. This shot makes me think scum wanted us to read into it and alter course? maybe? Unless the reasoning was the trolly one I mentioned earlier XD Ironically I feel a bit better about the direction town is taking, so barring something crazy, my vote is safe where it is. | ||
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On October 28 2015 08:01 Xatalos wrote: This means that marv was right on rayn though.... And now I have to listen to him :/ screw listening to marv, listen to me XD unless its about Yamato / : | ||
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Chrom is town. Ritoky probs town too but I'm not as 100 percent as I am with chrom. | ||
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You get two obvious hints for this riddle 1) baring a modkill scum NEEDS two mislynches to win. 2) scum have not yet forfeited. So what is the one thing the Rayn kill actually tells us? Super townie points to the one who figures it out : D bonus question, how does the answer help us find scum : D | ||
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On October 28 2015 09:15 ritoky wrote: i need time to reflect on the player list and think of wifom of who kills rayn because kill people capable of solving the game instead of me/gumdrop who are universal town reads. it takes a specific level of disrespect to make that kill, not every1 has it. Your thinking about this wrong. It doesn't matter who would kill rayn, the kill is nonsensical, it was unoptimal no matter how you look at it, as he was dividing town through sheer precence. The real question is, what is the one fact that the rayn kill DOES tells us about scum? Regardless of who it is that killed rayn, what do we now know about them? | ||
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On October 28 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote: no i am thinking about it the proper way. palmar left me alive all game as a confirmed vigi last game i played because he was more scared of every1 else's town play than he was of mine. it takes a particular level of disrespect. im not saying your wrong Rit, just that theres something super obvius at play aside from what youve seen. dont take my little riddle the wrong way : P I'm just having fun. I'll give it up soon but lets have a few more trys shall we? | ||
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On October 28 2015 09:30 Blazinghand wrote: ...they want to silence rayn? come on man the socratic method sucks Super Nope, ill give it up in five minutes XD see if you can get it before then. | ||
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On October 28 2015 09:32 Blazinghand wrote: OH OKAY ONE META LEVEL DEEPER Rayn was super wrong about everything, and they want us to THINK they wanted us to silence rayn, and they assumed we'd read and follow his reads, which are all wrong and would lead to disaster! remember the "beyond the meta, beyond the bullshit " line ? so nope agian : P one more try each as of this post. | ||
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On October 28 2015 09:41 Blazinghand wrote: so.... rayn was... not gonna be mislynched? BOOM give the man a cookie. | ||
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On October 28 2015 09:46 Blazinghand wrote: Like I really don't see how this is a useful piece of information, or what this deduction is. the deduction is this, scum with thier 3 votes, and the existing town support of 2-3 voteswas so sure that they could not ensure a rayn mislynch that they killed him for some other reason. But the sure they could not kill bit is the important part. The argument against Rayn was static, you ethier thought rayn could be a dick as mafia, or couldnt. You come down one way, and god help you if you flop the other later on to get rayn lynched, only to have him flip green / : | ||
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scum were never going to be poised to capitalize on the ire rayn earned from town. Why did they specifically kill him? Dont know, but if there was any chance for them to mislynch him, I dont think they would, which means voting him would require several scum players reversing thier rayn reads for no good reason / : which would result in thier surefire lynch soon after. | ||
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On October 28 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote: that's a particularly weird and bad conclusion coming from you. because you or i would have been the shot if going by not gonna be ML'd people long before rayn. rayn at least had some potential left. RIGHT. scum NEED mislynches, they would not shoot rayn unless a mislynch on him wasnt possible at all / : which is silly, because rayn was clearly the easiest to mislynch right? you me bh xata vivax chrom, none of us are even remotley as close as rayn was to getting burned. Which means that there was some other reason they felt he couldn't be mislynched, Thier are 2 major factors to pulling off a mislnych 1) how much do the townies suspect the fellow 2) how poised are mafia to pounce on him without looking scummy as hell. We can pretty reliably rule out factor 1 as the case, which means it almost has to be factor 2 / : | ||
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Onegu I didnt and dont like his push on rayn. I pointed out why rayn was town and he said that what i said pointed to rayn being mafia not town and it didnt. hopeles im basically never going to vote for Xata or Rayn (maybe rayn in lylo) they're my top town No need to think about it too much honestly, staying the course should work out fine : P just take this as a bit of a confidence booster in todays lynch XD | ||
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rayn dying means scum felt they couldn't mislynch him. scum not bieng able to mislynch him means at least 2 out of three scum are town reading him and to turn around and lynch him for no real reason would be super scummy of them. Is this really such a stretch? Basically my argument is that the majority of the scum team couldn't lynch rayn cause they were town reading rayn. No it's not game ending, but it is useful information to cross refrence with what you all already know. Def not "gumshoe dafack are you doing" worthy 0_0 | ||
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On October 28 2015 11:44 ritoky wrote: yeah but he's been soft deflecting off of gb for a while now, and he had that whole "yamato and gb are opposite alignments" thing that was weird but i was like "....ok" and then he rolls out today wanting to lynch onegu. who pretty much every1 who has died town read....it's gone from soft deflecting to pretty hard deflection. Sorry but your flat out wrong. Then theres Gb, there may not be any way to avoid lynching him honestly / : so long as players like chrom and rayn are set on Gb, town cant really function. That and I might have just been wrong about him T_T I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence. I will say that if Onegu and hopeless arent both scum, then someone here has been playing a really good game. Which means were in trouble ) : If we want a certain lynch, these two would probally be best. But it might too much for town to function until we've cleared Gb so hes the other choice / : Between Hopeless and Onegu, I would lynch hopeless first. Otherwise Gb will have to go just as a matter of course / : even though I really am not that sold on him. I have 4 potential scum reads, onegu gb hopeless and one more who I wont lynch until gb dies. Unless hopeless and onegu are both town, gb dies anyways. If you want to lynch him today go ahead / : its gonna happen eventually anyways. We wont really be able to effectively consolidate till he flips is my guess. but your the one who told me that were supposed to lynch scum / : and Onegu seems way scummier than gb, so there ya go. As for my meta you'll find at least 4 games where I push super hard to get a townie lynched... as town T_T(such as yesterday) and maybe one scum game where I actively do so, but even then to a far lesser extent. Every other scum game I just lurk. If you still think activity is a sign of town, that should be all you need / : | ||
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The very first mafia game I played well, I figured out a complex situation that was dividing town. It involved catching scum and fake role claims and nazis and there was sooooo much trashtalk, but the end result? Scum was lynched / : it was the best feeling ever. I solved the mystery and saved the day. Just the day though, we ended up losing soon after when I led town into two consequetive mislynches. Story of the shoe ) : Every game since though, I have chased that high, that moment of clarity when the seas of logic and empathy part before me to reveal the truth o_o some players just play for the sake of it, but others are chasing a high. Rayn desires the 'proper' game, slam wants to help town by being somewhat silly yet simultaneously wise and insightful, and I want to catch the 'mystery. That might translate into mislynches, bm, and shit play, but its supposed to be just that. Play. A quest for Fun. A search for that particular Thrill. Tldr If Gumshoe is spending his time chasing wierd fucking theories, dont mind him,hes probably town. | ||
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On October 28 2015 13:02 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think you're necessarily wrong but imagine this "scum shot rayn because of the way scum votes were on him-- they realized that it wouldn't be possible to lynch him without at least 3 townies changing from townreading rayn to scumreading him. since this was impossible, there was no way for him to get lynched." This is a good summary of your thoughts, right? well this describes pertty well a situation with all scum not voting rayn, but it ALSO describes a situation where scum are voting rayn and literally all townies think he's town. Like, AND AGAIN, I'm not saying this is true, just pointing out the gap in your logic, it's totally possible that someone gets shot and before he was shot scum were trying to push him and town was resisting. In any case, all of it doesn't matter, it's not a point in 1G's defense that your explanation is quite strange. Like, think about it this way-- the explanation could explain any distribution of scum. In any case, lynch 1G Fair enough enough / : lynch the guu. | ||
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On October 28 2015 13:13 ritoky wrote: so you think onegu is actively doing more scummy things than gb? okay, please enlighten me. what are they? Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one. Calls xata 99 percent town / : then flops pretty hard on him just because Xata called him scum(which was fair) and because of his certainty that rayn is town Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town. Xata is making zero sense here. ##Vote: Xata I am really kinda feeling Xata is scum with hopeless now. Like he was all ok yeah we can lynch him, then no we have to be safe. He really waffled on it and felt really weird to me. And yes me and hopeless are both scum, that makes perfect sense... Also if were looking for a reason why the Rayn lynch happened here ya go I guess / : Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless today. Does seem super convenient doesnt it Onegu? Also, what alarms is me is the first thing everyone else said when rayn fliped, was basically wtf. Yet Onegu came into thread, not at all suprised, guns fucking blazing with this gem, seems a bit prepared maybe? Another thing, my read on Rayn literally comes from countless hours playing serious games with him XD, I dont know how much Onegu plays with Rayn, but even I was a bit uncertain here and there / : yet he never wavered? meh, dont particularly buy it. Also I think hes bussing hopeless (I sure would) but thats just petty suspicion / : | ||
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On October 28 2015 13:22 ritoky wrote: if that's the case 100% of people should be on hopeless instead. i refuse to accept this answer from anyone. if you're judging based on activity then lynch hopeless 0 questions asked. but don't sit here and tell me "onegu scummier than gb" and then give me activity bs. sure lynch hopeless, I dont particularly care about the order man, as I doubt there arent 2-3 scum between them and its unlikely well get through the game without lynching all of them. Theres a good chance were arguing over nothing here but if you really really want to lynch gb or hopeless over 1gu, be my guest. I dont really wanna spend time arguing over what smells worse between trash and used condoms / i would like to think its the condoms)My lynches for the next 4 days are basically locked so none of this really matters in my opinion. I'm just going for the person I feel are the scummiest atm, but if I had something REALLY concrete I woulda brought it up by now. Also My lynches are based way more on who I consider town to be honest (there are 4 people that I just flat out dont plan on lynching this game, barring something crazy), as my scum reading is historically kinda shit / : | ||
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On October 28 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote: i have had a mild town read on xata all game and i woke up after that kill seriously considering lynching him. am i mafia? this is not convincing to me in the slightest. yes, but your first post wasnt "lynch xata now" its was well that's a kill... because that lynch was really fucking unexpected. Onegu wasnt suprised / : hence I think he knew, hence maybe hes scum, convincing? Not particularly, but neither is the argument that Xata is playing a super slick scum game and decided to draw heat towards himself by shooting rayn for no fucking reason. What a dumb fucking consideration. | ||
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On October 28 2015 13:44 ritoky wrote: the only real reason i think xata is town is activity. tbh i reviewed a lot of his filter, and he is basically a whirling dervish. he just sits there spinning calling all people who call him mafia or any LHF mafia. if you go read it you might be surprised by this. i noticed it when i started to slightly doubt him and then he was like "ritoky might be mafia for dropoff" which was horseshit cuz he had just been talking to me. after reviewing i actually don't think he has much to call him independently town for and i am highly considering voting him today.....cuz unlike you i am not content with that list....rayn kill wants to lull town to sleep on that list imo. sigh. you just have to bag the big fish don't you? | ||
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On October 28 2015 13:46 ritoky wrote: i personally think there's at least 1 between gb and hopeless. as i said before if gb is mafia there is GUARANTEED 1 between gumdrop, vivax, and xata. GB VIVAX= probally impossible, as gb was pushing vivax from the start pretty much. Though gb bieng town does open up the possibility of vivax bieng scum. Xatalos isnt scum, he has never played this active as scum, he has played tons of games. If you can show me that Xatalos is capable of a scum game of this caliber sure, but until you do the legwork dont shit up the thread with all your tinfoil you tremendous scrub. The very thought of you calling ME scum makes me empathize with Rayn and his berserk rage. | ||
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On October 28 2015 13:55 ritoky wrote: i like winning. i am beginning to believe lynching the 3 lowest activity people won't get me the result i want. time to consider alternatives. Nah, you like bieng the ubermensh, I get it, dont sweat it, your pride is more important than using your brain for a second. | ||
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On October 28 2015 14:00 Chromatically wrote: Sorry, can you explain this to me? I don't understand this. I can, Ritoky wants to be a giant slayer more than he wants to use his brain. The end. In all seriousness its probably some vote analysis bullshit. | ||
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On October 28 2015 14:03 ritoky wrote: BH tried to shennanie from yamato to GB. all 3 were here, all 3 refused to follow for different reasons. if it was a shennanie off town onto mafia, i would be floored if 1 isn't mafia with GB. Me and Xata didn't really wanna risk Yam ninja voting last second. Also I wanted to shenany onto Onegu or hopeless, not gb because I thought yam flipping scum would clear gb how does that not make sense in your tiny brain? Vivax is not scum if Gb is scum. | ||
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On October 28 2015 14:10 ritoky wrote: also "could never be gb and vivax". no. let me tell you a story of a game of mafia where gb, damdred, and i rolled mafia. gb makes the first post "OMG I LOVE U GUYS, LET'S ALL BUS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF EACHOTHER! GOIN FOR DAMDRED!" to which me and damdred also agree and bus the living fuck out of eachother and roflstomp the game. that was a fun game. it's not exactly probable but it is possible. why did i stick around? basically in order for onegu to be mafia every person who died has to have been wrong on him and onegu is killing every1 who TRs him. i don't think this is the case, which means onegu is town. so that list of 3 isn't good anymore. i think GB is mafia, i think hopeless is a coinflip. so it is time to start considering alternatives. Lol this guy "so this is super unlikely but it IS possible but it supports mah theory so lets consider it really hard" " this thing is super unlikely too, but lets not consider it much possible because it doesnt support mah theory." Marv is super townie kill number 1, his death means nothing to your theory, as even if hes town reading onegu he might be scum reading onegus buds. If onegu is scum, he literally gave his reason for killing rayn right here. Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless today. --insert angry insult that I will reframe from cause I dont actually dislike you and I'm not as bad as Rayn---- | ||
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On October 28 2015 14:13 ritoky wrote: also take your salt somewhere else please. this game has been hard enough to make it through; can it just be pleasant the rest of the way? its hard because townies like you are making it hard. it doesnt have to be hard. Your the one choosing to come after people who are clearly town because your really scared of some mafia master plan. You dont wanna be had, I get that, but your paranoia really isn't helping. list=profit you wanna lynch gb? fine. But leave mah xata alone. | ||
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##vote Gb sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, | ||
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On October 28 2015 15:01 GlowingBear wrote: Lol gumshoe do you have any reasons to read me as mafia?not particularly T_T | ||
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If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. | ||
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On October 28 2015 15:11 GlowingBear wrote: Anyway it's also bullshit that you say RAYN died because mafia think he was unlynchable. He had way more chances to be lynched over than you or Xatalos. The fact that you thought I was town should be clear to you that RAYN was wrong so if he is dead it's because mafia tried to wifom us EXACTLY, the only way rayn is unlychable is if scum are in a position where they cannot help rayn be lynched. Bh brought up that it could also be that scum are the only ones pushing rayn. But that would mean 2 out of you vivax xat and ritoky are scum. You should KNOW your town, so it cant be you, that means 2 out of xat vivax and ritoky are scum which I dont bilieve. on the other hand we have the case that scum simply are town reading rayn, therefore they are trying to just wifom us cause they can never kill him. This would support the theory that Hopeless and onegu are scum (two scummy players that are in no position to push rayn as they are town reading him, they fit the bill perfectly.) The problem is, it only accounts for two of scum, the third can be whatever on Rayn / : so yeah, mah theory doesnt clear or condemn any one player, it just makes a compelling case that there are 2 scum out there that CANNOT mislynch rayn cause theyre stuck town reading him. | ||
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On October 28 2015 15:24 GlowingBear wrote: Let me be sincere here: I'm completely demotivated to play. Partly because I've burned out of playing mafia, partly because I can't stand coming to a promising game, liking playing it, but then facing medium tier players overvaluating themselves and promoting shitfests, and players that signs in to simply not play the game. It's like playing chess with a wall. I'm not certain on anyone but Vivax. Vivax has displayed some townie posts, I must agree, but his overall gameplay seems scummy to me. He doesn't feel engaged to win. He hasn't done anything memorable. The rest I can call scummy for whatever reasons. At this point I want to lynch everybody and be the last man standing. No, I won't make a case on Vivax. I've spent 3-4 hours re reading day one, talked about Vivax, said we should keep slam and yamato to read later, and that we should go against Onegu and hopeless, just to be called mafia right after. It's boring. Then it's day3, and people are considering a team of me/Onegu/hopeless ROFLMAO. I won't waste my time. I will be hanging here and give some opinions on whatever I find relevant and vote people accordingly to how I feel comfortable. oks ) : | ||
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On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote: So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. | ||
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On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote: You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. | ||
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On October 29 2015 01:51 GlowingBear wrote: I think you have two mafias in your top townies Who dat? Vivax ritoky? or Bh maybe? They might get lynched this game but probally not before you. I have two pretty solid townies that want your head(chrom and ritoky) 2 townies plus mafias 3 means mafia theoretically controls this days lynch, so dont really feel like fighting too much. Arguing with Ritoky well just produce more salt, and I was wrong yesterday so I dont really have to right to bother chrom today / : but I am gonna unvote to let the scummers go first. Your lynch is more a quality of life one than anything else tbh(our lives, not yours) My biggest problem with a Hopeless lynch is that I feel like tomorrow will turn into an exact repeat of today where gumshoe pushes yamato all day and I don't want to do that all again honestly. Basically the above is what I am worried about. If we are gonna lynch you this game, it would be nice to get it over with today so that were not arguing about for the rest of the game. Who knows, you might even flip scum, crazier things have happened(though yah, I still get townie vibes off yah / : just not as AS townie as others). But if you can concince ritoky or chrom to get off you, then sure I'll default back to my onegu vote (seems like a pretty clear flip to me, but some would disagree) As long as it's in mah pool of suspects, I really dont care who dies / : there are benefits to lynching 90 percent scum for the fuzzy feelings, and thier are also benefits to lynching 50 percent scum that town are divided on. It matter not to moi. | ||
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On October 29 2015 02:27 GlowingBear wrote: No I'm talking about if I'm mafia it's easy to bring a case on someone under suspicions just to look townie. I'm not doing that. First, this is wifom second, the people under suspicion might all be your scum buddies. third, bussing your teamates is not your wincondition, mislynches are your win condition if your scum, so at some point you need to go after people that are considered firm townies if you want to win. not saying this makes you more scum by any means, but this logic doesn't hold up at all / : try again plox. | ||
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On October 29 2015 02:41 Xatalos wrote: One crazy idea I had is that the scumteam could be something like Onegu/GB/ritoky since they've all had these hipster suspicions in the last 24 hours - maybe feeling pressed into a corner and needing to redirect attention? Could also explain the rayn NK as trying to shake things up, and rayn's scumread on GB/ritoky.... But there are some problems with that team. For example, ritoky eagerly jumped on Onegu D1, and again voted for GB D2. GB has also pushed Onegu lately. Could be bussing I guess, but especially ritoky is a bit hard to explain. I doubt Ritoky is scum, no reason to push you like he has. If hes scum hell push the least townie looking mofo (case could be made for vivax there) and just shoot you. like, Why put all the effort into accusing you when your probally just gonna be a shot? I think its naive of ritoky to think that he can beat you at lylo as scum. It's also unlikely that he would seriously consider trying to save his scum buddies at this point. So yeah, probs not scum / : | ||
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that would mean a combination of vivax gb xata and ritoky. I consider xata and ritoky pretty hard town at this point, and vivax and gb arent likely to be scum together so I think the possibility that scum were town reading rayn is much higher. What ya think? | ||
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On October 29 2015 03:16 Xatalos wrote: I guess it could me a mix of both though or something? Not sure how far we should read into it? well if scum thought that a rayn mislynch could ever be possible, then they wouldnt have shot rayn. But yes it could 2 1 which is actually what I think it is. Basically scum look at it and saw they could never viably get more than 3 votes on rayn without comprimising themselves. thats the theory anyways / : | ||
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On October 29 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote: I am not saying scum were the only ones pushing rayn. I'm just saying your logc, which again, seems to be pretty strange, could be used to prove both "scum were all on rayn" and "no scum were on rayn". If you are using a heuristic or piece of logic and it can prove anything easily, it should be allowed to fail. The problem with this idea that "scum weren't able to lynch rayn, therefore scum are X, Y, and Z" fails because it explains too much. If an explanation can explain literally any outcome, it has no predictive value. I actually went back and found the quote that first explained this concept to me, so you too can learn: --Devine and Cohen, Absolute Zero Gravity, p. 96. Thats very true, but we have a certain context to clash against my argument, which gives it some utility. heres the frame my argument provides. Scum want to win, scum need to mislynch townies, rayn on paper is the most mislynchable townie, but they shot him, so clearly there was some reason that scum were not confident in mislynching him. There are two possibilities. 1: The majority of Scum are pushing rayn and the rest of town are opposed, which would mean a combination of xatalos, ritoky, gb and vivax, 2 of which, vivax and gb, cant be scum together, and the other 2 arent likely scum based of thier play. so not real hit there. 2: The majority of scum are town reading rayn for varius reasons, and cannot switch to him without contradicting themselves. townies fairly vehemently oposed to rayn bieng scum (hopeless, gumshoe, onegu, bh chromatically) three of these players, me you and chrom, appear townie from thier play, but hopeless and onegu do fit the mold of a majority scum team that cannot mislynch rayn because they are townreading him. Basically when you cross refrence scummy play with the argument that most of sum are townreading rayn and therefore cannot mislynch him, and the argument that most of scum are scum reading him therefore they cannot lynch him, this is the only real hit you get. Does that make sense? Imagine the two possibilities of the fan argument, but consider as well that there are markings on the wall that suggest one rotation as opposed to the other. That's how one would figure the truth in such a matter. | ||
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On October 29 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote: I hope you appreciate the amount of effort this took btw gummy I seriously do, your awesome, thanks for inviting me back to mafia btw you've been a joy to play with this game : D | ||
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On October 29 2015 04:21 Xatalos wrote: Btw gumshoe, I'm not sure how much that argument helps, since it kind of just aligns with whatever you otherwise find scummy? Like if you found me and BH scummy, it would just equally align with those reads? But I guess it's worth pursuing whatever ways to solve the game yes : P yes it would. But your objectively not scummy, therefore if I tried to tie you to this rayn thing, it just wouldnt work. It only works on hope and onegu cause there is a doubt that they are town. | ||
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I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. | ||
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On October 30 2015 01:42 Onegu wrote: Your arguement doesnt make much sense because reads can flip. If only scum were town reading him what is to stop their reads from flipping to oh yeah I can see that on a case and voting rayn. Or saying rayn is cancer this game I am going to vote him. Rayns reads were correct and that is why he was killed. A serious rayn is capable of putting a legit case on scum even if he is being scum read getting that person lynched. I wasnt surprised rayn was killed. I town read him hard. I agreed with most of his reads. In a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. if you or hopeless were to flip your reads on rayn, to go from "theres no way I would vote him until lylo" and "rayn town for sures so sures that xata is scum" we would lynch you so godamm fast. So no, you couldn't switch your reads / : you would be far too committed based off your own arguments. | ||
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In a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. Also this is actually total wifom. You might kill Rayn exactly FOR this reason because the way youve set things up is "as scum I would never kill rayn, therefore im town." so if you are scum and you do kill rayn to simulate the above logic, apparently that means your town / : see how that doesn't work? | ||
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On October 30 2015 02:38 Vivax wrote: Come on, it's in his filter. Obviously he agrees with rayn on Xata and hopeless. Disagrees on GB and BH. Interestingly GB is on his lynch and so is BH, people he isn't scumreading and who were in rayn's case. Not sure actually if rayn was still thinking of Xata being scum before he died. He's kinda ignoring two guys who want to lynch him and who rayn scumread? Then I'd like to know his own reasoning for the reads. why didn't you let onegu explain T_T it was a twap. | ||
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On October 30 2015 02:51 Vivax wrote: Oh and we don't need a trap to show that what he says is really odd. Still, you know chrom is town, you know hes up to something, dont swoop in with your "cmon mans you should know this" just because you disagree about how relevant onegus answer will be. | ||
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On October 30 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote: BH what do you think of what rayn said about you, I think you never talked about it. That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically. Why cant a townie be indecisive about a lynch? Also sometimes the person you want lynched is already being pushed by someone else and you dont see a reason to not just piggy back off them. Not saying bh hasnt wanted a lynch(been a bit since I look at his filter) just that if hes preferred to pick and choose from the cases presented that in no way makes him scum. See how I swooped in and answered a question meant for someone else thereby potentially cheating you information you desire? Not cool is it? | ||
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On October 30 2015 03:32 Vivax wrote: I didn't see a trap there, I saw that Onegu would most likely reply according to what's compatible with his stated reads. Not really a scum catcher imo. So I thought that Chrom simply didn't read his filter previously to asking that. it doesnt matter what you saw, people have reasons to ask questions, unless you think the question being asked is poised by scum for some nefarious purpose, dont hijack it, you dont magically know what chrom or anyone else is after, so just chill out next time someone is looking for information. | ||
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On October 30 2015 03:37 Vivax wrote: I don't see why BH (or Onegu) wouldn't answer a question just cause you did. we answer questions cause were pressured, take away that pressure and there's no real reason to answer questions. Also if the scummer was going to otherwise trip up, now he can just hijack what his defender has to say, whats more chrom's question wasn't neccecairely aggressive, but you pointing out how yes, onegu's clash of reads are odd, would immediately put onegu on the defensive if he wasn't already / : Is it likely that scum would slip up on a question? maybe give up info on thier team? Depends on the situation, but likely no. That said, none of us expected Rayn to get shot tonight and scum had 24 hours to think that one over. So shit can happen that we might hope for but not exactly count on. But when you come in and offer scum an alternative explanation to what they might have provided, or point out of how exactly the question is meant to incriminate, you make the already low chances that much lower. Tldr, you dont know what Onegu would have said, dont answer questions meant for others unless its clear theyre not gonna answer it / : I dont think thats too much to ask for is it? | ||
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On October 30 2015 03:55 Vivax wrote: I think you're just creating unproductive fuss while filling a page with righteousness. If you wanna argue pick somebody who can be mafia. You can be mafia / : | ||
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On October 30 2015 04:40 Xatalos wrote: Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing? Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1... Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow... I rather not elaborate on Vivax atm, not before we have a heart to heart. as for long term bussing between gb and vivax, I really doubt it, gbs antics came out of the blue and almost got him lynched day 1. It was a terrible bus if it was one and vivax didnt paticularly reciprocate gbs aggression. One would think if they had agreed to buss eachother vivax would have come after gb just as hard, but instead hes fairly slow to pounce going from, "yeah bro your wrong" to "why arent we lynching this gb scum?" in long enough a period of time that others like yamato and marv were basically at the head of the train instead of him. I just figure Vivax would have pushed alot harder to max out his cred. Whats more, gb agreeing to a bus with vivax is kinda like stepping into the lions mouth, he musta known that unless vivax deliberately left something for gb to pick, town would most certainly side with the veteran / : Alot can be said about gb's play this game, is it scummy? maybe, but I dont think gb would sacrifice himself like that, he seems to actually want to play really bad, he fights everyday just to live another 72 hours (hes fighting even now to avoid his lynch, even when we basically are telling him he has to die no matter what) Sacrificial bussing is more for when "fuck, I dont have time to play this game, guys I'll just mess up and you can capitilize on it and take cred, k?" Gb has been active enough that the above scenario doesn't seem likely / : So no, I really really dont think its a buss, but maybe they did it thinking that without dts in game bussing is super effective / : who knows. It's very unlikely is where I am at. | ||
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On October 30 2015 04:40 Xatalos wrote: Btw gumshoe what was the Vivax scumread about? (might have missed it though) What do you think about GB's push on Vivax in relation to that? Long-term bussing? Also what did you think about rayn's case on ritoky? There's this on D1... Then this later... Which I didn't quite follow... rayn point 1: Reading bh's rng as town is bad: this is a null thing, we feel certain ways about things and use logic to justify those feels, ritoky felt good about bh coming into thread with his rng, and conveyed that to the rest of us, that doesnt make him scum, its just an offense to rayns sensibilities. Also with what we know of Bh now, it was from wrong to town read / : verdict-null point 2 Rayn has an angry convo with ritoky, ritoky still town reads rayn, rayn thinks he should be scum read by someone if they have that sort of convo, again, sensibilities, I town read people I argue with aaaaaall the time verdict-silly rayn point 3 The onegu switch- onegu is never lynched day 1, bad ritoky bh was the first to vote on onegu, someone else was there as well, there was plenty of reason to think onegu might get shenanynied and given what we know now of onegu ritoky trying to lynch him is far from something to be held against him. I almost voted switched to ritoky myself just to avoid the stupid slam lynch. verdict- actually pretty townie. Maybe ritoky is scum this game, but rayns silly arguments from the grave definitely dont make a good case for it / : | ||
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##vote onegu we need to lynch onegu today, I think ritoky is town but if hes insistent on 1gu bieng town and xata bieng scum and pixies bieng real then we might very lose someone sensible tonight and have trouble killing onegu in the future. Thats not even considering gb flips town T_T in which case ritoky might somehow use that as fuel for his silly reads. Hopeless, if your here vote 1gu, he should be clear scum from your pov. | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote: i'm pretty sure we're just arguing about which of two scum to lynch first so i can't really bring myself to care about this argument, but ritoky I will reread onegu since you insist, and if I were in your position I'd want "sure" people to reread the stuff about the guy I'm TRing. I gotta grab dinner real quick but I'll have an answer for you at least half an hour before deadline you should care, if gb flips town for some dumb reason, then you me or xata die, well have 3 scum plus ritoky vs 3 town and onegu might not get lynched till lylo or something equally disturbing. | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote: i already told you about xata gumdrop. and here I was thinking rayn was dead, yet clearly he lives on, hurah -_- | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:21 ritoky wrote: if gb flips town you're also wrong. consider that. and if gb flips mafia, i am going hard on 1 of you, xata, and vivax and never stopping. pick vivax then XD | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote: stray voting is a 50/50 game tbh. that's a coinflip argument at best. also idk what you're talking about not looking for scum. outside of this phase (where i believe all of 1gu's friends are dead in) he has done more scum hunting than i have ever seen in a game lol. so uhhhh....you're wrong. slam comment is interesting point, but maybe he just has a god read on slam like me. 1: Everything your saying is wifom, 1gu mighta killed rayn to sway townies his way, your are literally the living proof that this is a possibility 2: Whereas the nightkill is all wifom, 1gu's votes are facts. By wasting them on hopeless if hes town he is effectively sacrificing his ability to influence the vote. If the vote is between scum and town, and scum survive then the townie who burned his vote has effectively contributed to another townies mislynch. 3: This works as well vice versa for a scummer trying to save his teamates, but what if 1gu's teamates were never at risk? 4: 1gus day 2 behavior is only optimal if a scummer was not in danger and 1gu is scum, if 1gu is town, he does not actually know if his vote will make a diffrence or not, but if 1gu is scum, he DOES know that the best move is to steer clear of the lynch, so as to avoid fall out from it. Basically avoiding a vote is a pr move, you know who cares about pr? Scum / : the end lynch da goo. | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:35 ritoky wrote: so let's assume for a moment i am a GOD and completely right about onegu town and gb mafia. that means we have a very even wagon between a town and a mafia. hopeless (resident lurker) comes into the thread, says some blah blah blah, and votes on the mafia in a town vs mafia situation. this almost always confirms hopeless......which would mean 2 mafia are outside the PoE if GB is mafia and onegu is town... is that a world i want to believe in....ugh, fuck you brain for thinking. Chrom is town-would not have pushed gb so hard day 2, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR RIGHT AND GB IS SCUM. BH is town- has played very reasonable this game, nothing scummy to really point at, no point lynching because hes gonna get shot. Xata-dont even get me started again, also will probally get shot vivax- wont argue here, we might be on the same page you- derp me- double derp tldr only worry about it when someone whose supposed to die tonight doesn't die | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:39 ritoky wrote: does shennanies onto hopeless and him flipping mafia say anything with relative certainty about GB's alignment? hrm... See this is where you run into issues / : why is hopeless not voting 1gu? 1gu is pushing the shit out of hopeless, if I was hopeless i would vote him in a heartbeat. Look at the hopeless posts on Gb I think I buy this. Am I crazy? (in response to gbs plea day 1)Kind of null about GB, I'd vote him but more on a PoE basis. then he comes out with this Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself. what a flop / : also read this shit right here is a straight up contradiction. Onegu still feels like he's "testing" me so I'm going to let him be for the time being but I really want to OMGUS him Hopeless's original reason for town reading onegu was that onegu was only "testing him" if that was ever the case the testing phase has long since passed, Onegu is straight up trying to murder hopeless! Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless today. Hopeless is scum this I am sure That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons... Can we please vote hopeless? So question, why is hopeless town reading onegu right this instant? I honestly dont have the answer Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself All we have atm is that onegu isnt as scummy as gb... so what? Is he town reading onegu? WHY?! He said townreading onegu cause hes just teasing, but thats a godamm lie! lets be generous and say he consideres gb and onegu his top two scum reads, who would you rather lynch? The dude who constantly calling for your head? or the guy whose just upset hes bieng grouped with you, a fella whose filter is basically non existent mid day 2 ? gb about as raw as he gets vs hopeless AND consider that I am mafia with onegu and hopeless ROFL Onegu wins the antananism race by a godamm mile, so why isnt hopeless killing him if only to make the game more pleasant for himself? Cause they ares scum -_- agendas are at play people. Vote for the guu | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, so it seems I'm dead today. Some thoughts for you: IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy. BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town. I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:14 ritoky wrote: how yolo do i feel? I was wrong yesterday ) : so today's choice is yours, but TRY to make sense of what hopeless is doing is hes scum, it doesn't unless hes trying to protect 1gu / : maybe it doesnt matter and 1gu and gb are both scum, but based of hopeless's actions we should definitely be voting onegu. | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote: i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia. onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu gb/x/x most likely if gb. I actually agree with possibility 1 a smidge, you probably know who my final scum read is by now / : | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3? from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax, cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him? In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:27 Blazinghand wrote: Like if somehow both 1G and H1 are town I don't know if there's anything we can actually do to WIN, you know? Like we have to choose wether or not to lynch them, and I think we should I know right? Its what I've been thinking all this time ) : though I've avoided saying that to Ritoky cause thats the kind of thing that would set a giant killer townie off "WHAT you think I cant win this game? NAY, I shall destroy these magical mobsters!" | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:31 ritoky wrote: this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town. Dont even sweat it man, I am the lord of tinfoil, but yeah best way to lose this game is to start pointing the finger at people who have been super duper active and as helpful as they can be with no blue aid whatsoever / the lack of fluff and mechanics may be why your reading certain filter as somewhat vapid.) | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ ~ If ONEGU is MAFIA Then gumshoe is 100% mafia. 1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON? This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read. The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense. 2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE. WITH. AN. UNVOTE. Let me tell you again. His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY? 3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu? 4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways. There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu. But in the case he is... ~ If ONEGU is TOWN Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town. lord save me from these godamm, not even townies, carnies. 1: I AM TRYING TO KILL ONEGU RIGHT THIS INSTANCE. chill out brah. 2: Big part of my read on you was my scum read on yam / : once that didnt pan out I had to reconsider, thats the nature of reading someone one way cause you read someone else another. 3: I still kinda town read you (never put you above 50 percent scum honestly) its just your the only person I am willing to spend our one remaining mislynch on(gone into this indepth already but everyone else except one dude outside the 3 is super townie). Your basically mah sacrificial lamb speaking of which, howd you get out of the pen? | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote: 2 is not true because i've especifically asked you this and you said it would clear me TO THE OTHERS. I'm gonna find the post. 3 why would you risk mislynching me WHEN YOU COULD BE LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD? Lol so you can risk mislynching me but you can't risk mislynching a player who isn't playing at all? Haha you're full of shit. I'll only talk to you again if I live and Onegu dies. cause if im right it doesnt matter if you live or die. I didnt really care about this lynch, unless one of my super duper town reads are wrong, then the next 4 days SHOULD be auto pilot. At one point I actually did kinda pref your lynch cause it would undivide town, and your reasoning was super duper wifomy and bads. It offended my sensibility's. But I didnt really care honestly / : I started to once the possibility arose that onegu might never be lynched if Ritoky goes after xata or something and you flip town. Does that make me a bit cold and douchy? yes, scum? Not really. The funny things is? I do kinda still think your town and we might even agree on a certain someone. I am just a jerk, ok? A jerk, I use you for my own agendas (mah yamato scum read, now this onegu insurance) and I am totally willing to discard you the moment your not useful to me, but that doesnt make me scum : P | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:03 Chromatically wrote: LOL at GB's celebration, I don't think posting a theoretical scumteam that no one believes is a reason to celebrate when people are going to lynch you next. yeah gb is probs town. also were lynching hopeless tommorow. On October 30 2015 06:00 gumshoe wrote: See this is where you run into issues / : why is hopeless not voting 1gu? 1gu is pushing the shit out of hopeless, if I was hopeless i would vote him in a heartbeat. Look at the hopeless posts on Gb (in response to gbs plea day 1) then he comes out with this what a flop / : also read this shit right here is a straight up contradiction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzrJP3kOngk Hopeless's original reason for town reading onegu was that onegu was only "testing him" if that was ever the case the testing phase has long since passed, Onegu is straight up trying to murder hopeless! So question, why is hopeless town reading onegu right this instant? I honestly dont have the answer All we have atm is that onegu isnt as scummy as gb... so what? Is he town reading onegu? WHY?! He said townreading onegu cause hes just teasing, but thats a godamm lie! lets be generous and say he consideres gb and onegu his top two scum reads, who would you rather lynch? The dude who constantly calling for your head? or the guy whose just upset hes bieng grouped with you, a fella whose filter is basically non existent mid day 2 ? gb about as raw as he gets vs hopeless Onegu wins the antananism race by a godamm mile, so why isnt hopeless killing him if only to make the game more pleasant for himself? Cause they ares scum -_- agendas are at play people. Vote for the guu | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:04 ritoky wrote: well, i am a donkey. but at least i am a confirmed town donkey. yes, you 100 percent are. so still suspect me and xata? Dont tell me you've gone full gb and now we look even scummier T_T | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:05 Chromatically wrote: GB is probably town? I don't think so gumshoe. I guess I should look at stuff again or something now that there's a confirmed mafia flip but doubtful it will change my mind. just a pet theory : D I wont lie, I dont mind lynching him even though I am reasonably confident hes town, as I dont want to bother swaying literally everyone here why the pants on head townie is a townie, and I SUPER fucking dont want be there at lylo with gb, but yeah, check out mah hopeless arguments and come to your own conclusions. (actually hilarious, gb me and vivax at lylo, and gb has to pick between his two biggest scum reads to win the game.) | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:09 Blazinghand wrote: hmm, that makes a lot of sense actually if H1 could tell 1G was up to be lynched-- he was trying to save the teammate. I think there's a good case that H1's vote means GB has to be town. On the other hand, 1G/GB/H1 isn't ruled out by this: it's worth noting that up until the very end, GB was on the chopping block. H1 was voting GB, who was going to flip scum (in this hypothetical) and make himself look good. It's not like 1G was ACTUALLY going to survive. If we lynched GB, first, we were still gonna lynch 1G even if I get shot-- lots of people were convinced on 1G. That being said, we should probably lynch H1 first. In both of these scenarios, H1 is scum, and EITHER WAY, I think H1 MUST be lynched before end of game. Like, even if he's somehow town, how would we know? We have to lynch H1. I'm onboard with lynching H1 first, then. I'll take some time to think of third scum and do some reading tonight. One of me or gum is probably getting shot so the other has to lead town with just the filter of the dead guy. Gummy, you and I should both leave behind good analysis I actually dont care if gb dies, call me cold for that, but yeah I dont trust the guy at lylo and we still have 1 mislynch so who better to spend it on right? But on a less frivolous note, he is probally town much to our collective dismay / : whats more, he may have been right from the beginning XD we probably owe him an apology if things turn out how I expect. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:10 ritoky wrote: idk what to think, will probably just wait to see me or bh get shot and then do vote analysis either right before phase change or right after. well if things ever get to be too much too bear you can always... you know... | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:15 GlowingBear wrote: No ritoky. You wanted to shenannie. And that's what you did. You didn't hard defend Onegu at any point. It's a completely different case and you would realise it IF YOU FUCKING READ WHAT I'VE WROTE MY GOD!!!! gb, please calm down, you know your town, I pretty much know your town, but your not gonna convince people by yelling / : lets just chill mkay? We gave you another 2 days probs (scum wont shoot you unless they wanna pull another rayn, didnt work out well the first time so mah guess is your here to stay) Gb, I actually could have mislynched you yesterday, bh too, honestly any one of us on the onegu train could have and nobody would even blink, if were scum, why did we go to great lengths to kill our buddy instead? for da cred might work for bullfighters, but not us / :so whats more likely, bh and I spared you, or hopeless (please read mah hopeless argument btw) and (come close) + Show Spoiler + vivax | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote: no, he's not big on reading what others write. low blow XD | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:50 Vivax wrote: Xata get your vote on GB PLEASE I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / : | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote: gumshoe i think you're missing it a bit. he's saying something like you hard defend him, then after being beat on by me and chrom you vote on someone you've been hard town defending. then you swap back. now while initially this looks like an innocuous moment of weakness it actually was highly significant, because in the tiebreaker scenario you had put GB ahead of 1gu. essentially meaning you damned GB to death without getting your hands dirty in the lynch and for a reason he feels is unjustified at best and scummy at worst. that said you just talked me into lynching scum, so i am somewhat disinclined to listen to cases on you while my raging hard boner is still around. Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum) The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually. Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible. I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb / who had and still has a good shot at bieng town)So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:48 Blazinghand wrote: Right, but then we're going into 5-3 MYLO. Like, remember that at the time I was literally shenannying onto GB from yamato. There was a shenanny happening. Tons of people said "I think GB is scum, but I'm afraid yamato won't get modkilled. It's fine if he dies though." I think scum would have hammered. Think about what the thread was like in those moments-- don't just recall teh vote pattern, but the way things were happening and what was going on in-thread. One more vote on Bh's shenanny, that variosu people supported, wouldn't make you suspicions at all. I think scum would have done it. You need to also consider where scum was positioned day 2 : P I know hopeless was null on gb, wouldnt be too easy for him to hammer without getting wreked. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:51 Blazinghand wrote: Eh, maybe I'm misreading the situation but it looks to me like, if GB really IS town, there's a free mislynch there for scum to pick up at no cost. not no cost : P looks bads. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:56 Xatalos wrote: I guess it depends on if they could reasonably get away with the town flip, yeah. Like if they already scumread him. boom. You get a cookie : D if we assume gb is town based of his behaviur then... Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/arthurcona134512.html#mzFA7hftQW5C1CXX.99 theres two possibilities, 1: scum didnt feel they could get away with it, 2: Scum were too inactive to capitalize. onegu Becuase it effects my read on him. That is why I would lynch him over GB. But I am waiting for you to tell me why GB is scum. hopeless Kind of null about GB, I'd vote him but more on a PoE basis. This two weren't really in a position to hammer / : | ||
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Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless today. guess this was why they shot rayn?T This should pretty much clear xata honestly. Theres some other stuff on the rayn shot that we could probally make use of, might do some more fishin later. | ||
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can you please not force us to waste our mislynch on you? Also read this Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum) The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually. Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible. I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb / who had and still has a good shot at bieng town) So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me. as an adendum to that, I understand how important your life is to you this game, but it literally means nothing to me / : so yes, I will kill you in a heart beat if town cant seem to function with you around. | ||
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On October 30 2015 08:43 Blazinghand wrote: whoa chill out dude. if GB is shitting up the thread and causing problems, yes, it's reasonable to lycnh him, but don't do it if we think he's town, yes? We only have one mislynch of room right now so we should use it wisely I did say please first : P unnecessary hostility aside, I would totes lynch vivax before him. | ||
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On October 30 2015 09:26 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not shitting up the thread, I'm trying to have people reading an ironclad case they are ignoring by default. Whatever, I will vote gumshoe tomorrow and peace out and you decide whatever you want to do. I've put all my remaining energy into trying to show you that gumshoe is mafia, I'm not willing to do more. GG. See ya tommorow best buddy : D | ||
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On October 30 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote: I've started to doubt gumshoe since he started planting the idea that I'm mafia as opposed to people who are competent at reading me. I was assuming his posting style made him town all game long but given that 2 mafia are planning the endgame now and he has started to doing all sorts of shady shit, I'm reevaluating. Take a look at this post, it's from D1. When you look at the votecounts in question you will notice that nobody ever had a chance to kill Onegu cause marv and rayn were both on the slam wagon with huge support from others. Point I'm making is that this read is weird given the information we have now, and suggests gumshoe had knowledge of how to read people around Onegu's alignment. Another example: When he went all nuts and Chrom-defender after I told Chrom that if he wanted Onegu's reads he could simply look them up. As you will soon see, neither was ritoky's switch "last second" (it happened 12 min prior lynch), nor does it make sense for gumshoe to make the assumption that ritoky is town cause if Onegu was town ritoky would look terrible. And I think this is a nail in the coffin type of argument already, cause now I'm explaining it like you're 12. First of all, he's exaggerating the weight of what ritoky really did: Last second switch, killig Onegu when the majority was on Slam all the time and didn't have any intention to switch. Second, he's making this argument in which he spews Onegu's alignment (and ritoky's with the entire post). Second, he's using this logic: "Since ritoky would look terrible if Onegu flipped town, he is town". at a time where he couldn't possibly be certain on Onegu's alignment, and also wasn't in his scumreads posts. He literally assumed 100 % that Onegu was mafia when making this post. Here the relevant votes, for display: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2015 05:30 Rels wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (9): raynpelikoneet (4): Vivax (0): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Onegu (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): Looks like it's time to sack Alakaslam for being a traitor! Day 1 ends in 0m 0s at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. On October 24 2015 05:45 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:47 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 06:03 Rels wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet (3): Onegu (2): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Vivax (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): We have discovered Alakaslam to be a chocolate saboteur! [/QUOTE] I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him, was I bussing my teammate to max? Maybe? Purposeless bussing is dumb to me. As for the accuracy of the read, remember, everyone who town read onegu did so for meta reasons, but I cannot recall a game where we were both active together. Basically I was immunized to the whole onegu is always bad therefore he's town bug. So I wasn't calling him scum because I knew his alignment, I was calling him scum cause he looked scummier than everyone else there. As for my ritoky argument, your counter point makes sense only if I was certain that ritoky was certain the slam lynch would never happen (which how the fuck could I be?)but by the end there were as many votes on onegu as there were on rayn, I woulda switched myself but I was scared of scum hammering rayn instead of onegu or slam. But yeah I stand by it even now, if you last second sheep a guy who leads a shenayne onto a townie off a guy everyone wanted dead, your gonna have a bad time, and if you did it onto your scum buddy, why? All that plus ritoky a actions yesterday means ritoky is town. Also chrom is town too, leave him alone. | ||
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On October 30 2015 23:57 Vivax wrote: Xata what about scumsiding exactly? You will have to agree with me that pushing a guy I wanted lynch on D1 already doesn't exactly fit the mafia profile. It can but it doesn't have to. So it's no argument. Btw, your never answered me, is chrom still scum? also the ritoky thing was there since literally n1, little convenient your only picking up on it now that I am pushing you isn't it? Or was I just so townie this game that you never bothered looking through my filter? | ||
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On October 31 2015 00:25 Vivax wrote: Literally the only scenario where "mafia tries to save GB" is valid is if I'm scum with Chrom or hopeless. Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic. He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu. If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment? The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things. Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's). I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky. And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato. If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu: + Show Spoiler + id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. Oh and the nice post above says this: + Show Spoiler + I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him grats, your cherry picked the one super fucking flip floppy qoute out of a dozen onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative. Onegu: Kill with acidic detergent Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them. Basically the people I would want to see lynched Onegu-hopeless (both are interchangeably useless to me) but yeah I think your just butthurt town, which is why I am voting for Onegu : P Can we just collectively agree to pussy out as town and vote for the most objectively useless player? Onegu, 2015 I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum. and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way. at least we now know you have the ability to hit control f, wonder where that was all game when we were trying to find actual scum -_- Also the one qoute you did show STILL HAS ME WANTING TO LYNCH ONEGU If I am intending to lynch my buddy anyways, why I am I flip flopping instead of milking him for absolute godamm cred? Maybe its because I'm a townie whose trying to reavaluate his reads as he goes to ensure the best chance at catching scum? Nah, that would be crazy. Also your argument that I knew onegus alignment and thats why I town read ritoky is literally retarded ill rehash it here in all its n1 glory Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam. It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) It doesnt fucking matter what onegus alignment is, IT STILL LOOKS BAD ON RITOKY OR IS BAD FOR RITOKY. There is no pre flip asociation going on here, the only motive to vote onegu in such a dodgy situation is to lynch scum! tldr ritoky put lynching the guy he thought was most likely scum over his own reputation therefore he is fucking town. How is that so hard to wrap your tiny brain around? | ||
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On October 31 2015 00:33 GlowingBear wrote: This actually reinforces what I've brought. Gb, you are agreeing with the guy you have pushed as scum since day motherfucking 1, to kill the dude who is directly responsible for saving you FOR TWO DAYS STRAIGHT. go read my pitiful scum games if your not sure, I dont play like this as scum, meta says I'm town, My actions pretty much say I'm town, my sheer activity say I'm town, other townies say I'm town, the only ones saying I'm scum are you, and your fucking scum read | ||
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On October 31 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote: If you're town, have this exact post in mind than go reading my "please read" post. And now I'm gonna peace out before I start offending people. Your stupidity is a constant offense that pervades the thread every second of every night and every day. May as well go full dumbass as your a perpetual cancer upon this town as things stand. | ||
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so for better or worse, I'm likely here to stay T_T Which means I dont really have to worry about lylo as me and a town read of mine (who isnt gb) will probally just vote gb/vivax to end the game. so we can just take this a step at a time. TOMMOROW NO MATTER WHAT, WE LYNCH HOPELESS. The dude is 100 percent scum and we gotta be done with him. | ||
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On October 31 2015 00:58 Vivax wrote: GB is hilarious atm. Why so mad gumshoe? Cause I hate it when I get it mislynched because townies dont understand the way I think and cant actually think themselves T_T My ratio of getting mislynched day 1 or 2 to total games played is pretty up there, so this is triggering some pretty heavy nam flashbacks That and I detest retarded logic, especially when its directed at me. Oh and yeah, what do you think of chrom? Stop dodging me dodgevax : P | ||
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On October 31 2015 00:53 GlowingBear wrote: Uh huh Damm, logic and insults do not sway you / : my bread and butter are ineffective. All I have left is this. I dont like to do this and I dont want to make a habit out of it / : but I also dont like Vivax having hope. If you really still think I'm scum T_T click the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + I swear on my life and the lives of my mother and father that I am town this game. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:10 Vivax wrote: There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid.I couldn't care less about you, I just hate being pushed by town, at all, you can find this in all mah games : P 1 town read of mine being certain I am scum is too many. This reason is a) I'm a little bitch b) I dont omgus unless I'm sure the person is scum, so I dont have the self defense mechanism that most townies do ) : As for chrom, lets assume hopeless is mafia (which he is, and you cant save him) that means chrom would be your final scum as opposed to me / : yet your not pushing him at all ) : Also did you read his day 2 push on gb? Why would he go through all that effort (actually meta reading gb, going through all his past games) when the lynch was already on town? Scum dont dump that much effort into a lynch thats going well for them. If he had gotten gb lynched and gb flipped town, that would look terrible -_- Basically chroms day 2 had two traits 1: tremendous effort at a time scum wouldnt need to showcase tremendous effort 2: A desire to catch scum over looking good. Chrom is not scum this game / : | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:10 Vivax wrote: There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid.Wrong, one of you is scum 1 is town, the second scum is hopeless, between you two btw I think gb is town | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:15 Vivax wrote: Gumshoe when did you start scumreading me? I have one more potential scum read, but at this point the well becomes pretty foggy and there's no point calling up a shitstorm when I don't have any hard evidence. Early night 2. if you want the true inception of my read on you it was the post just before Bh ritoky Rayn probally chrom and maybe xat (I still think his sheer activity disqualifies him as scum, but he might be playing a holyflare level game, dont think it's likely though) are the only people I really consider full town atm. No one else deserves a pass and should be cast under a lens. Back to the drawing board T_T So lets assume the people on my list are beyond reproach (ritoky is town, fuck you so is chrom) that leaves gb, hopeless onegu and you. You and gb cannot be scum together, because gb wouldnt throw his life away bussing you day 1(its unlikely at least) So that means scum team is hopeless onegu vivax or hopeless onegu gb. Thats honestly all it was / : I had no real case on you, you just weren't confirmed town in my eyes. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:25 Vivax wrote: Yet you said something along the lines of "when me and a townread of mine push Vivax/GB" not long ago. I assume we lynch one before lylo. Which logically means that if the game doesnt end the other is where???? At fucking lylo. Point is, everyone else is confirmed town, I think gb is townier than you but id like to be wrong given how much of a twat he is. We have a mislynch, so its going into one of you to but yeah, your not both scum -_- its very unlikely given the early game. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:33 Xatalos wrote: If gumshoe is scum in this game, I'll happily give the win to him. I think he's been the most helpful player for town in the game overall. If such a player is scum, then town deserves to lose... you guys need to stop saying this, its just gonna be give gb a bigger justice boner. The moon is not green, I am not scum, this game is won. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:32 Chromatically wrote: I really don't get it. He got a read on ritoky, but he never assumed that Onegu was mafia. He saw that ritoky's action made more sense as town if Onegu is mafia AND if Onegu is town, so he gets a conclusion about ritoky. Is the argument that gumshoe is more likely to think about relational reads like that as mafia? Because I don't see that at all. And in the posts before the ones you quoted, he did say he wanted to kill Onegu (although I still don't get how that's relevant to the ritoky thing)? For the record, I read GB's case and I am completely unconvinced. gumshoe basically spent all D2 defending GB but knows that everyone in the game wants him gone (and he was wrong on yamato), and he's said multiple times that he's okay with lynching GB. His hesitance between GB and Onegu makes a lot of sense from him, and it's definitely not 100% by any stretch of the imagination. Honestly, if gumshoe is mafia and GB is town, he pretty easily could have kept his vote on GB after being so undecided about it. He literally wrote that he thought GB is mafia from tone and voted. Why not keep the vote there if he's town??? That's on top of the meta stuff I've said earlier and the fact that he's so so passionate about yamato mafia and GB town and the fact that he's been posting a lot of thoughts. btw vivax still thinks you might be scum. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided , 2 paranoid. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:37 Vivax wrote: Alright so according to gumshoe's theory hopeless is mafia with me. So I'ma just vote hopeless and he can see who doesn't want to. I'll give him one lynch that isn't me or GB. A lynch he must want cause it's GB OR me but for sure it's hopeless (in his world). Dont pretend you somehow have the thread presence to allow or disallow anything. Your not giving me jack. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:47 Chromatically wrote: I'm worried that somehow people won't lynch GB if we don't do it soon. Like LYLO with gumshoe, Vivax, and GB sounds like an absolute nightmare right now. I swear that wont happen, we lynch hopeless tommorow, gb/vivax the day after and whoevers left between the two at lylo. No one else dies by fire this game. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:49 Xatalos wrote: Well does hopeless, Vivax, gumshoe sound any better oh dear god 0_0 | ||
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On October 31 2015 02:00 Xatalos wrote: Well I think you can pretty safely say that if my filter is 20+ pages, I'm town your mah rock babe : P | ||
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Honestly dont remember much of VivaxThink there is some good effort to keep things on track from Vivax, though it was pissed away to tell rayn to fuck off basically. The bolded was crossed out / ; its like he wanted to write a super vague post but thought better of it to avoid being obvious, not sure why he made it clear though -_- This is all we got from onegu Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now. You KNOW someones giving a vague read when you have to go into someone elses filter to find out wtf they are talking about -_- this was yams opionion btw literally town Vivax to a tee mafia Viv is a little bitch | ||
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On October 31 2015 02:08 Xatalos wrote: Btw I still have a lingering feeling that ritoky could be scum, but all the voting etc. evidence seems to point otherwise... Meh. There are enough pretty clear / reasonable townies here that everything should work out fine. Dont worry about it, youll be dead soon enough : D don't see scum letting you through to lylo / : your way too green for your own good. | ||
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basically when in doubt of your own reads, the best thing you can do is not provide an opening for scum. You clearly agree based off your sig : P "The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." | ||
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Its perfectly reasonable for someone with unconfident in thier scum hunt game to be excited about proving they're towniness, as they have done the second best thing they can for town / : also bh yall should get in some last words too, you probs gonna die : P | ||
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On October 31 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote: Yes when I want to make something not obvious I'll just cross it out and make it obvious. I said as much : P its dumb, but yeah nobody is lining up to give hopeless any pro play medals. | ||
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On October 31 2015 03:11 Blazinghand wrote: Well, I think gum is town so I'm glad for anyone to not vote him, but this kind of logic is shit. You lynch in a way that gives us the best chance to win, not because of some moral judgment about who "deserves" to win. I didn't push Onegu because his shit play meant he "deserves" to lose if he's town or if he's scum, I pushed him because he was likely to flip scum. By the same notion, I don't care whether gumshoe deserves to win or lose: we shouldn't lynch him anyways. Why? Because he is town. I think that he was instrumental in the 1G lynch yesterday (though if both wagons were scum as I suspect it doesn't matter) and all game has been laying down solid analysis. He has been unafraid to interact with players, make posts and cases, and comment on other people's posts and cases. Overall he plays like a guy with nothing to hide and I really can't see why people think he's scum. I'm a more practical sort : P the whole "deserves to win" line of logic infuriates certain townies, NO ONE wants to heart that a game is lost because town played that much worse than scum. basically in theory its bad, and in practice its worse, so dont do it XD | ||
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On October 31 2015 03:15 Blazinghand wrote: Scum has what, 3 nks assuming the longest setup? If one of GB/H1 is town, and we lynch both, we go to 2-1 LYLO Pretty sure the people killed are gonna be you, me and xat unless scum is pants-on-head retarded im not gonna die / : vivax and gb (one of which are scum) are dumping tons of effort into scum reading me. I doubt theyll waste it with a shot (unless they go for super duper omega wifom) more likely they'll kill chrom or ritoky ( mymonies on chrom) course they could pull another rayn / : but yeah, pretty sure I'm sticking around. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote: Damm, logic and insults do not sway you / : my bread and butter are ineffective. All I have left is this. I dont like to do this and I dont want to make a habit out of it / : but I also dont like Vivax having hope. If you really still think I'm scum T_T click the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + I swear on my life and the lives of my mother and father that I am town this game. read the spoiler please gb. | ||
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On October 31 2015 03:24 GlowingBear wrote: That actually makes me believe you're town. You wouldn't go that far. ... would you? ARE YOU CROSSING YOUR FINGERS NOW? 1) Only done it once before to convince a townie who was certain I was scum that I was town. And yes I was town (can find the game if you like) 2) I wouldn't lie about something like this / : (too much of a bitch) 3) fingers crossing does not absolve you from such a vow, but no my fingers weren't crossed -_- | ||
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On October 31 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote: Absolutely. Especially when I was wanting to lynch him since day1. I could just try to kill Vivax instead. Why would I 100% bus Onegu? speaking of which you should totes look into vivax now btw : P its become the cool thing to do, which kinda makes you the defacto vivax hipster no? | ||
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On October 31 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote: "Let's lynch slam!" "I can read him better later, it's better to lynch Onegu" "No let's lynch yamato then!" "Him also. I'll vote him but seriously, I prefer lynching Onegu". When I could just "Oh yeah, slam play makes no sense, let's lynch him Gg" hey that's mah argument : D admittedly its a better one now that onegu flipped also you forgot that you were the primary wagon when slam came along : P should mention that, it helps. | ||
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On October 31 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm gonna ignore BH and Chrome or I'll start punching baby walruses until their deaths. I'm trusting gumshoe because I actually don't believe someone would say something like "on my parents life" like that. It's. Wow. Yeah. When I cant talk it out, I can and will resort to emotional terrorism / : but yeah would only do that as scum if someone put a gun to my head ie "gumshoe is scum cause he hasn't sworn on everything he holds dear yet" in that scenario, what can I do right? But if its of my own volition I'm town every time : P | ||
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On October 31 2015 03:44 GlowingBear wrote: let's see in the end of the game.I'm agnostic but very superstitious. Go figure... Fellas gota have a code right : D Oh shieeeet, now that gb thinks I'm town, vivax has no reason to keep me alive T_T maybees I do die, oh well. | ||
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Come on, it's in his filter. Obviously he agrees with rayn on Xata and hopeless. Disagrees on GB and BH. Interestingly GB is on his lynch and so is BH, people he isn't scumreading and who were in rayn's case. Not sure actually if rayn was still thinking of Xata being scum before he died. He's kinda ignoring two guys who want to lynch him and who rayn scumread? Then I'd like to know his own reasoning for the reads. this felt super scummy too me on multiple levels. 1: If hes scum with Onegu, maybe hes trying to stop him from saying something stupid seeing as hes probally dead today anyways? 2: Hes trying to crumb more on you, as he has been all game, and kinda on bh as well. 3: rehashing info is a great way for scum to look like they are contributing. just gave me chills at the time / : | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:07 Vivax wrote: Super flawed logic cause at the time he voted he couldn't foresee anyone switching and he made it 5 4 And if he pops up to ninjavote just to bus when Onegu has a majority he's screwed anyway, nobody would buy it from him given how he's playing. Are you defending hopeless here vivax? If not and we agree hes scum, all hes doing here is putting his vote on a potential mislynch rather than his buddy -_- given how onegu was treating hopeless all game(and hopeless's insistence this was just a test having long since become bullshit) and how he null read gb prior to his vote, hopeless should have voted onegu(assuming gb was scum too) for consistency's sake just so they dont both go down together. Instead he voted gb, meaning he took a risk, meaning there was something to be gained...like a mislynch, meaning gb is probally town and the wagons were close enough that scum could win the day, considering 1 vote made the difference I'm pretty sure townie life was at stake yesterday / : Also hopeless is playing bad, the argument he wouldnt do x (cause its terrible) doesn't work cause clearly his scum core is damaged this game. Where is the flaw in mah logic? | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:05 Blazinghand wrote: Onegu was hilariously ineffective, and suspiciously kept his vote OFF of you until he was sure it wouldn't make a difference. seems straightforwards to me Thats not fair ) : the vote was 5 4, 1 change woulda made the dif. Also lets say vivax is scum, this was him just before the finish. Xata get your vote on GB PLEASE he was pushing last sec to get xata or someone else to change, basically begging. I could see this going on between scum in qt. Vivax:"Onegu wtf are you doing, were 1 vote away from lylo if you just get the fuck off hopeless!" Onegu:"Ok man fine, chill out! Vivax:" No FUCK YOU and hopeless, and fuck rels for chaining you cannons around my legs and sending me to the bottom of the sea!" | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:31 Vivax wrote: Only BH can save me from this madness You mean the same Bh you've been crumbing all game? BH hunting the epeen from Onegu lynch while saying GB claimed scum. priceless. BH what do you think of what rayn said about you, I think you never talked about it. That you just flail around lynches without wanting one, basically. Obviously he agrees with rayn on Xata and hopeless. Disagrees on GB and BH. Interestingly GB is on his lynch and so is BH, people he isn't scumreading and who were in rayn's case. Not sure actually if rayn was still thinking of Xata being scum before he died. He's kinda ignoring two guys who want to lynch him and who rayn scumread? Then I'd like to know his own reasoning for the reads. This ones a jewel Wtf are you doing wasting your vote BH? Hopeless isnt even that awful compared to his usual standard. BH convinced me a little to pick someone else than GB; but if he keeps not playing and pushing stupid arguments on me I'll have a hard time letting that slide. BH where is your contribution in finding out who is mafia in all that? I do admit that I was hasty in reading it as you suggesting a hopeless lynch. But that means you didn't suggest anything, you told Onegu how to play the game. Scum is among yamato/rayn/GB/Onegu/BH. Contributing to this game means finding out who the two townies are. BH dropped off the town list, he has entered the circle of crap now and it's D2 so he can quit the act now. I'll, take a closer look at him after posting this. this ones just ironic given our current spot (then BH comes in and is BFF with GB no questions asked but whatever, that's a thing apart), Yeah actually my lynch-bh-meter is rising continuously every hour that passes that he isn't posting while everyone is bashing their heads in. | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:33 Chromatically wrote: I don't think that post was particularly scummy. If he wants to stop Onegu from saying something he would just say in the scum qt. I didn't really think he was using it to push me either. if onegu wasnt around maybe not / : also if onegu had just not answered the question (which he didnt) it might have look bad, but vivax psudo answering it did mitigate it a bit. but admittedly yeah, this ones more just a feel thing. | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote: i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh. You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me. | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:45 Vivax wrote: Anyone with a little fact checking realizes your quote collection is just there to sic me with very low, borderline ad hominem arguments. Look if you wanna play like a mad rager I'm not the one who's going to reciprocate that, it's a waste of time. So leave scum, I will try to turn anything and everything you say against you because you are scum, and I expect you to do the same to me because you are scum. If your not up for that you dont have to play / ; just go afk like hopeless, well get around to you eventually. Also It's not nice when someone controls fs you out of context is it? But yeah seriously you've been keeping bh on the back burner all game, that's not slander, theres at least a dozen qoutes to prove it, you just read them. Its fact / : | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote: hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them. regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town. well see : P you've shown a propensity to panic as you say, scum needs a patzy and a dope at lylo (and gb wont work as he will either be scum or dead) so 100 percent town or not you might make a great dope : P | ||
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Scum is among yamato/rayn/GB/Onegu/BH. Contributing to this game means finding out who the two townies are. fun fact, if we were to follow vivax's plan here and our reads are correct, that would mean town would win up mislynching exactly 4 times( gg) trying to find the magical two townies when really onegu was the only scum among them / : | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:55 Vivax wrote: To start with one of the quotes is about GB and not BH. To end with I always suspect a ton of people. It's meta, not the scum one. I'm trying to get around the idea you're just a townie being a dick who likes to pick fights cause his time isn't worth much so he likes to waste it fighting instead of hunting scum. I'm not biting your hook. You can go for another wank or something, get rid of your excessive energy. a quote about gb in which you throw in a crumb of bh -_- multitasking like a boss. How does that look good if you think gb is town? (you must cause I'm scum right, with crom and bh?) Also stop being a douche : P, feel free to ignore me , or go lurk, or go wank off as you say, but no reason to be mean in place of actually arguing against me / : | ||
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On October 31 2015 04:56 ritoky wrote: procedurally i disagree with you about how to win lylo as mafia, but that's neither here nor there. well lylo is scum convincing someone to lynch the other guy instead of them / : obviously scum want to think ahead so they probably groom for the role but yeah your right, not really a big deal. | ||
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On October 31 2015 05:02 Vivax wrote: I have no intention of arguing against you further, it's more pleasant to just be lynched and throw in some occasional comments over hammering reason into insanity. Either way it's going to be the hopeless/me/GB combo being lynched so either we win or we lose to scum cause the remaining townies don't know how to tinfoil instead of circlejerking about a common opinion. k thanks bai. | ||
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On October 31 2015 08:32 GlowingBear wrote: I don't thibk hopeless is mafia... gb stahp, just stahp please T_T hopeless would have just voted for onegu yesterday if he was town, why did he vote for you if not to save his buddy? | ||
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On October 31 2015 20:23 Vivax wrote: Cause if it was MvM there's 1 mafia riding hard on lynch cred and you don't want to have to start considering that at lylo in the really scary case that hopeless flips town. Kk ima be nice alright? doesn't the exact same thing apply if gb flips town and hopeless flips scum? -_- from your perspective if gb isnt scum, someone on the Onegu wagon MUST be. Course theres one other possibility, maybe mafia threw all their weight to save onegu? Wouldn't that mean chrom could be scum too vivax? also we should be lynching hopeless right now because hes more scummy than gb, whose actually put quite a bit of effort into this game / : we want to delay lylo as long as possible, because if the scummer is rayn tier than they'll have an easier time manipulating town if the stakes are higher. You all are so set on lynching gb right now, you haven't considered that if the scummer is skilled he can use that potential mislynch to sow doubt amongst us and perhaps cause us to shift from da plan / : (if your certain you wont break, are you sure about your fellows? Ritoky has already been to finfoil land, hes for sures town, whose to say it cant happen again?) tldr We should lynch the person with the highest chance of flipping scum right now, to avoid giving the remaining scum more of a chance, as it will only take one of us having doubts about whether or not we should bank the game on killing a lurker to turn the tides for maf. PS. If there's 2 scum among vivax, gb and hopeless, vivax and gb arent likely scum together (that would mean that gb, the only competent scummer on his team of hopeless and onegu, threw himself to the wolves day fucking 1.) That means between the three, hopeless is the only one that MUST be scum as he doesn't really clash with either of them. | ||
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On November 01 2015 01:53 Chromatically wrote: For some reason that felt like a scumclaim to me, but I guess he hasn't really been playing the game for a while now so nothing really new here. yep : P he scum, now whats more likely? Is he trying to meta us into not lynching his scum buddy that he tried to lynch yesterday for "dat mad cred"? Or perhaps, is gb just town XD doesnt even matter though, we should lynch hopeless regardless : P | ||
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On November 01 2015 02:06 Chromatically wrote: gumshoe, there's actually like a billion reasons in the thread for GB to be mafia from a whole bunch of people, and everyone has agreed with it... I don't know how you can still defend him, especially not from a random vote Hopeless threw down (lol). I'm fine lynching Hopeless today though, that's probably the "correct" move given that he probably literally isn't going to post today now that he's voted. I do agree with Vivax's desire to see whether the wagons were M-T or T-T, but in either case we should lynch Hopeless so I don't think it actually matters that much. GB just has to be lynched tomorrow. I've disagreed with almost all those reasons : P gb just doesn't strike me as the guy I've been playing against. Hes put too much effort into a game that could be easily as seen as lost from the get go. I just dont get how he thought he could win day 1 with a team of hopeless and onegu by playing such an agro style / : like, when I look at gb, I see someone who is just begging to be lynched constantly with his play(coming out with a case against me of all things yesterday -_-) but if your right about his team, hes not bieng an lightning rod for anyone, onegu and hopeless get lynched no matter what, so who is he tanking for? Whats more he IS playing the game, I think your a bit biased by his meta, from a totally neutral standpoint hes been very active and engaging, usually answering all questions directed at him. I just dont see it man, hes playing as if the game isn't lost , especially his big anti me post yesterday, why put in all that stupid effort just to flip and basically prove it all to be bullshit Hes making a post that will make absolutely no difference if he flips scum, so clearly he must think hes going to survive right? But if your right, his own two teamates were bussing him, and they never stopped bussing him 0_0 So gb puts a ton of effort into a case that wont make even make a ripple let alone a wave if he flips scum, on the off chance that town would save him while his own mates were bussing? I just dont buy it, I would expect something like Onegu's pity post any day, but not a whole frikin case that only matters on the off chance that I live when my own team has given up on me -_-. Meanwhile, we have onegu pleading, screaming wifom, and hopeless bending backwards to justify why his null read is his scum read and his should be scum read is a null read. and of course dont forgot Vivax's last second attempt to sway xata -_- Too much effort was put in by all our suspects for a lynch that supposedly didn't fucking matter 0_0 its just not consistent chrom, I checked vivax's games, hes fully capable of playing an active scum game like this / : you should check him out for yourself. | ||
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On November 01 2015 02:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Be honest, is there really a possibility that at I could convince everyone that I was town? nop | ||
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On November 01 2015 05:10 Chromatically wrote: I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched. I can talk specifically with his post about you he made. Why is he more likely to put effort in there as town or as mafia? As mafia, he wants to seem like he's town by pushing to survive, and making posts like that is one of the ways he can seem town. In addition, he probably thinks that he can carry the game better than Onegu can, so he legitimately wants Onegu lynched over him. Putting "effort" in when you're about to be lynched is not a town tell; I would have put in a lot of effort in that position as mafia too. You said that I'm "biased" by his meta, but you don't explain why it's bias. The meta is a very legitimate point against GB. You're similarly using meta as a point against Vivax, but I found his meta pretty inconclusive for me. I did check it out for myself and made a post about it a while ago. He could be playing like this as mafia, but his meta doesn't show that he's more likely to be mafia. With GB, the meta does. For the bias aspect, I checked out gbs games, you only mentioned 6 of them but hes played at close to 30 -_- I checked the games where hes about to get lynched, when hes scum its more like "wow you guys are so bad for voting me" its all about protecting himself, but yesterday he was pretty much resigned to dying, and was more concerned with pushing a scum read before he died. Which is more in line with his town games I've found. Also your argument he was trying to convince town with effort is kinda bull, his own teamers were totally bussing him, it was as grim a situation as it gets, scum gb would spend his last moments yelling at town for thier incompetence, not trying to "solve" the game / : also out of the 7 scum games he played, only one of them has had as much activity as hes shown this game / : his push vs me was all caps and hyperbole. his filter is higher than his scum average his "last moments" are more in line with town gb all in all, his meta seems more in his favour than anything else / : but maybe thats just mah bias. | ||
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On November 01 2015 06:05 Vivax wrote: Gumshoe's entire argument against me asking Xata to switch is pretty bad if GB is mafia cause that shows you I actually had no reason to beg Xata to switch his vote except for just getting my pref lynch. Yes it was. So he can lynch him and if he flips town he actually gets to apply it. And BEFORE we tinfoil we can actually find out if it's worth tinfoiling, that's when GB flips mafia. I am saying gb isn't mafia -_- his actions as scum are retarded, and gbs not that bad as scum. Hes more insulty and apathetic as opposed to bullheaded townie. | ||
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If gb was scum with hopeless and onegu, why did he shoot rayn? Clearly onegu did it for cred a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo. but he claims this looks bad on hopeless, | ||
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Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless toda according to his logic, it looks shit on Gb too, so who the fuck was the nk for? Onegu? Was the scum team really banking all their hope on him (clearly cause hopeless sided with gb on the vote)? Do you think Gb would endorse that? It's absolute bonkers -_- I dont get the vibe of defeated scum from gb, yet hes clearly sure hes going to get lynched fter I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck. Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad). Ok, so it seems I'm dead today. Some thoughts for you: IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy. hes done this twice -_- dumped a ton of effort into reads that dont matter if he flips scum, which he must assume will happen because his buddies have bussed him 2 days in a row. Hes more concerned with us taking him seriusly after hes dead than trying to stay alive. thats not scum | ||
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Cause if it was MvM there's 1 mafia riding hard on lynch cred and you don't want to have to start considering that at lylo in the really scary case that hopeless flips town. I don't thibk hopeless is mafia... both vivax and gb assume hopeless has a decent shot of flipping town -_- that is to say, both the prime scum reads dont paticulalry want to lynch hopeless, so you know what we should probally do? Fucking lynch hopeless so we dont have to worry about spending our last lylo life on a lurker Also if your talking about lynching for info, lynching hopeless is way better for that / : as gb bieng scum with vivax is unlikely, so clearly hopeless must be the buddy of whoevers scum. If hopeless is town, thats the real bombshell it would force us to totally reevaluate, whereas a gb or vivax lynch would just have us staying the course. Tldr. 1 of the three scum is most likely scum, if somehow hes not scum hes the only flip that gives us reason to rethunk the game. ##vote hopeless | ||
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Are you claiming to be scum with gb now? Please tell me how likely that is, please do. You are not likely scum with gb, so if only one of you is scum, and hopeless is town, that means theres a scummer riding off lynch cred -_- as you say. Wheres the problem with what I'm saying? I actually totally agree though, it is idiotic, which is why we should just lynch hopeless instead of digging into the tinfoil cause hopeless is just scum, | ||
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I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched. To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power? Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30. as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort. 1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him, 2: it was pretty terrible. 3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now. I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / : | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:01 Vivax wrote: Maybe you're afraid that GB flipping scum would clear me from the stuff you started throwing at me post-lynch? If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip! I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum. Also your a goddamn genius | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:04 Chromatically wrote: He is perfectly capable of doing this as mafia, I quoted it to you. Putting effort into the game when you're about to be lynched is not a town tell (in general, but also for GB specifically). his effort should not have saved him if hes scum, as if it was super bad effort, he could have made a much easier appeal to town by not attacking me and going after someone like hopeless and vivax who he had already scum read. that and the nk logic (clear cut from onegu, but super convoluted for gb?) doesn't click but it dont matter, we should lynch hopeless regardless ) : | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:08 Chromatically wrote: By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him. See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big. If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / : | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:10 Vivax wrote: Why do you keep saying either of us can be town yet you clearly seem to have GB as town and me as mafia? cause I can be wrong, I was wrong about yamato and I can be wrong about you. Thats why I want to lynch hopeless, as I really dont think I can be wrong about him as he matches every conceivable scum team and hes just super godamm scummy -_- | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote: We can't know why rayn was killed, but it could just be very simple reasons. Maybe Onegu did it so he could make that argument in the thread, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the other mafia at all. Or maybe it was something else, like GB wanted to kill one of the people who was going after him hard in the thread. Onegu: guys I wanna kill rayn cause it looks good on me but bad on you! gb: You do that bro! your our only hope! do whatever you can to win : D I cant see it -_- if gb is scum hes the most active by far, he would decide the shot for certain, especially because he would have hopless's support (the rayn shot was bad for him according to onegu) We keep bending over backwards to justify how Gb is playing this obscure wifom game, when it's really just more likely that theres was someone who didnt suffer from the rayn shot along with onegu / : | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote: BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit. | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote: I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there. Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies. But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion? the emotions were wrong scum emotions: lol you guys so bad, im a dt bros dont shoot me directed at self protection town emotions: im gonna die, better contribute. directed at post mortem contribution in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead. Real talk: I am a mediocre player when it comes to finding scum, but I am insanely good whenever this situation pops up, the people I defend in this fashion are town almost 100 percent of the time, that doesnt save them because I'm not the best at convincing others / : also gb is def one of the dodgier clients ive defended. That said, I'm not asking you to not kill gb if thats what you have to do, just dont kill gb right now because there is doubt. Whereas with hopeless, the only people showing doubt are the suspects / : | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote: I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained. It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that. You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp. | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:36 Chromatically wrote: Or maybe it's: GB: "rayn is really pushing me hard, let's kill him" Onegu: "aww but he's defending me" Or maybe it's: GB: "rayn is really annoying, let's kill him" Onegu: "yeah he is" Or maybe it's a whole bunch of different things that we can't actually know. We have no clue what would happen. if it comes to it, I will lynch gb tommorow or at lylo. You have my word, do I think hes town? Yes, but the diffrence is I KNOW that gb you and ritoky are for a fact town. The only thing that could make me question that is if hopeless flips town, which he wont / : but is all the more reason to get it out of the way today. I think there's enough reasonable doubt to assume hopeless is a better shot than gb, if you want to lynch gb that bad, fine, but hes just not as certain ) : | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:40 Vivax wrote: It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him. What scum needs to do in this spot: Find a way to save self, or buddy, how to do that, mislynch a townie other than gb. gb is just asking us to take him seriously when hes dead, you on the other hand are actively asserting that "theres a townie riding lynch cred" "bh, was up with your scuminess bro?" "chrom is still scum probally" You both are putting effort into this game but only one of has a chance to win as scum / : if I see you taking actions that specifically fit the one scum agenda that sees you winning, you can be sure that'll come off as shady to me, beyond just putting things in your mouth Trust me, when I put something into your mouth, you'll know. | ||
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hopeless voted for gb(das a buss) -_- and onegu basically voted for him, he just kept the vote on hopeless so he could look consistent, but lets not kid ourselves, he was ready to vote gb anytime. also I'm talking hypotheticals when I say his team was bussing him, specifically the onegu hopeless team. You cant be scum with him, so you wouldn't be bussing : P | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote: Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player. I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification. I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday. Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched. So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:53 Vivax wrote: YES precisely, I'm playing and he's just lurking throwing a few cases in between but never just sticking around or encouraging any discussion beyond his justification for a vote. Like if he wants to die he can vote for himself, but it's obviously just his emo defense that you find so convincing, so he won't. blatant lie. Ok, so it seems I'm dead today. Some thoughts for you: IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy. BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town. I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. Did you read what I've brought on him NO HE DOESN'T. IF YOU READ WHAT I'VE WROTE YOU'LL SEE THAT IF ONEGU IS MAFIA THERE IS NO WAY GUMSHOE ISN'T FUCKING READ IT. 2 is not true because i've especifically asked you this and you said it would clear me TO THE OTHERS. I'm gonna find the post. 3 why would you risk mislynching me WHEN YOU COULD BE LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD? Lol so you can risk mislynching me but you can't risk mislynching a player who isn't playing at all? Haha you're full of shit. I'll only talk to you again if I live and Onegu dies. No, I want you to comment my case in details. Stop dismissing it. GAME IS SOLVED GAME IS SOLVED GAME IS SOLVED!!!!!! I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all? Xata. Go. And read. This actually reinforces what I've brought. Dude this is exactly why I'm calling gumshoe mafia but he is and I'm not because I ACTUALLY VOTED ONEGU and he only voted when his vote wouldn't take me out of majority. ROFL you people... theres more too that I'm leaving out, he was pushing his case HARD all of night 3, engaging constantly with others, he only wound down when I deflated him by cheating. so no, he was super hardcore pushing and interacting regarding a case, the fact that he abandoned it though should be a point in his favour / : | ||
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On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote: Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato .I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T | ||
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So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah? I totally forgot about this T_T I will vote for whatever chrom votes today, but let it be known that Hopeless is objectively the best kill : P | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote: Yes ritoky should be here choosing the guy to vote. It makes me uncomfortable he's afk since he proclamed himself conf town. Would you stahp trying this shit? Godammit XD stick to two scum reads and stop spamming paranoia in thread. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote: I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town? The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker? if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote: Chrom since his GB meta research and case, probably BH. Everyone else I keep considering to be possible, you too. Fair enough : D btw if you actually did this your a godamm mastermind : P On October 22 2015 06:11 Vivax wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NpbJ9Fe.png) setting up town to be biased against pants on head townies from day 1 through a joke. Goddamn brilliant. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:24 Vivax wrote: No the pants on head guy was GB when he started his D1 with scumreading me, and then whined about being scumread cause he was "too pants on head" to be scum, precisely. Point I've made during D1 already. A point that if your scum you seeded into our minds from the get go : D masterful. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:22 Vivax wrote: YOU KEPT SAYING ONE OF US ISN'T MAFIA. Now you wanna lynch me even if GB flips scum? I said I wanna lynch hopeless first : P I fully expect the game to end there but yeah, if your at lylo with me and chrom or ritoky, I would totes vote for you before them as I consider a bus more likely then ethier of them being scum don't take it personally : P | ||
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chrom/ritoky scum < gb bussed vivax like a derp. but hopeless/vivax or hopeless/gb > gb bussed vivax like a derp problem officer? | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote: Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown. Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days. H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1) but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote: And you felt less lazy in the other running game considering I was checking when you were rather posting there than here. Matter I'm allowed to talk about cause that game is over. We tend to play the games we have more fun with : P is gb universally dispised by that games town as well? no? Then moot point. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:37 Chromatically wrote: I have to go literally right this second so I'm going to move to GB, partially because I think we get more info (sorry gumshoe I haven't thought about your recent post much yet) and partially to prevent people form switching to a stupid lynch because I won't be here other than occasional phone until deadline. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear by your command T_T I did promise afterall ##unvote ##vote glowing bear maaaaaybe we get lucky? Eh, whateves, I tried gb I'm sorry ) : don't hate me. | ||
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On November 02 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax. And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe. You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see. I was voting him 0_0 that just changed cause of mah obligation to chrom but you know what, you can go ahead and die, I wont miss you, game will be better without you. Bai bai. | ||
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remind me to never expect anything of Gb in any game I ever play with him. Also Ritoky is, sigh. pretty confirmed town right about now. Btw remember that time vivax desperately tried to get xata to vote switch onto the guy we now know is town to save scum? What a funny funny fella! | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:18 ritoky wrote: so basically all town lists are: ritoky everyone else scum this shit right here is how you get mislynched like a boss fyi | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote: i am conf town still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia. chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip h1 and viv still make bottom of list. i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town. scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote: can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad. you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro. | ||
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If you want me not to passively call you bad, stop being bad, you are giving scum an opening you don't have to. Also my reason for you going to lylo isnt that your bad, just that your the most likely to panic with your back against the wall. | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote: yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size. I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today) also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die. | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:45 ritoky wrote: okay, and you calling people bad all game doesn't make them want to lynch you out of spite? pot -> kettle. also you're wrong about lylo. i am prone to make my mind up rather quickly in lylo and give 0 shits what people say. I was impersonating you, as I said : P literally taking qoutes directly from you, but yeah giving 0 shits is bad, good townies need to be able to convince others, so I regard that aspect of your play as careless / : | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote: I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus. there ya go : D doubt, you has it, scum whoever they are will exploit it, I dont envy you, you think you have a grip on it now but I can already see the future, you'll lock your vote in the first hour, and then spending the next 48 hours wondering if your right / : gonna be a fun day. | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote: also you should go talk to kitaman about doing an impersonation of me. guy did it pretty well in the impersonation game. i laughed and called it; but then no1 listened and sadness was had. lols | ||
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On November 02 2015 07:54 ritoky wrote: You shouldn't think in absolutes unless mechanics dictate so, like with me. Regardless I can think of only 1 scenario where I vote for BH this game. meh, truly townie play is quite hard to play, even expert scum (holy flare, palmer) look pretty lackluster in retrospect, and they are pretty much the best we have to look at, but this is a pretty solid game for bh so yeah, I'm not gonna even consider throwing the game over the ultimate tinfoil. Also the thing about Bh that Bh left out, all the things he does (pretend to be moving) are to excuse sloppy play, basically hell do anything to explain why hes scummy, but hes not scummy this game so his meta means nothing. Hes just playing a pretty objectively reasonable game. | ||
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On November 02 2015 23:36 Vivax wrote: I'm like 100 % on ritoky being mafia reading a bit of what rayn said on D1 and page 11 of his filter. Also that means Chroma was town hero with his D1 reads. I'll talk about it with people who are open to the idea. translation of bolded:" I will talk about it with anyone dumb enough to buy what I am selling" Ritoky's day 1 vote on onegu could have resulted in his scum lynch instead, why even tempt fate? That and he could have brought us into lylo 1 day sooner, oh and not to mention any case that begins with "well you see rayn had this awesome read!" is generally a bad sign considering rayn is insane / : (top two scum reads of xata and gb, though to be fair everyone was pretty mads at Gb.) Tone wise hes also pretty town, dont know many scum who would flaunt "confirmed town" statues in such a way -_- basically ritokys antics are backed up by the conviction that if town lynches him, they fucked up, not him. It's pretty hard to fake that kind of passion / : Also what happened? I thought we had a thing D : I still think I'm your best bet! Dont give up on me vivax D : I haven't given up on you! But yeah town, I would sooner you lynch me than ritoky because at least I led a mislynched, Ritoky almost nailed his buddy day 1 for no reason, and hammered him of his own volition day 3 -_- he be totes totes town. | ||
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On November 03 2015 01:59 Vivax wrote: Ritoky is obviously town god cause he decides to kill the ONE mafia he wasn't scumreading on D3, and then instead of scumhunting he spams over and over how confirmed he is. Read page 11 and previously to see that. he did not have to kill his buddy, he was under no suspicion whatsoever and not lynching onegu would have really fucked with towns head (it would mean ritoky and chrom were on the wrong wagon, would have been easy to hide among the freaks) basically there was an optimal play, Ritoky isnt the kind of person who would resist a clear gain for the sake of super duper wifom armor. It's really hard to make the choice to betray your ally for no reason -_- clearly onegu wanted to keep playing, slaying him like that would be a total dick move and I don't buy Ritoky would do that. Question, do you think hopeless is scum now? | ||
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also this. Ritoky could also easily be mafia as a lurker, plus his thing following his towniest read and that read was BH. onegu was pushing ritoky constantly -_- seems dumb to spend the entire game bussing both your teamates also ritoky is the only real scum read hopeless ever pursued. ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) meh, they put actual effort into these pushes (as opposed to onegu's lack luster hopeless tunnel) do not buy. | ||
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On November 03 2015 02:26 Vivax wrote: It's useless that you talk to me like I need convincing given I know my alignment and know for a FACT that Onegu got bussed. And I think the guy who profited a lot from that lynch was ritoky, even though his filter is really lackluster oterhwise. not really talking to you : P more to the thread, also your smart enough to know that the whole "LOL I KNOW IM TOWN THEREFORE YOUR WRONG" argument is by far one of the weakest one can throw out -_- | ||
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On November 03 2015 02:35 Vivax wrote: I'm town therefore Onegu got bussed, that's my argument. You playing twister? Nobody has your role pm, therefore your argument has no weight. Your role on day 3 (convincing a townie to switch onto a mislynch) alone makes it likely your scum. try again please. | ||
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On November 03 2015 02:39 Vivax wrote: By that logic Chrom should also be scum. Only difference is he switched to 1gu there were 4 people on gb that day. 3 are likely scum one must be town, so I'm giving that award to chrom who you yourself put as 100 percent town(unless you wanna recall that read?), and I have done similarly throughout the game : P chroms gb push was genuine, whereas you OK I'm an idiot GB is 100 % mafia I think. basically came around to it on the day of -_- es the way he skipped all the drama to only talk about GB constantly and how his opinion on rayn never seemed to change like it did with me and GB still gives me the feeling he has a stick up his ass in a not townie way. This was where you were at before, using gb is town as a stepping stone to accusing someone else -_- I can assume you changed your mind based off the nk / : which of course you would because you caused the nk : P like how convenient a series of events is this, rayn is scum therefore gb is town- hmm cant really lynch rayn- rayn dies, showing how scummy gb is. btw willing to lynch hopeless tommorow? | ||
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On November 03 2015 02:54 Blazinghand wrote: Like from my point of view although I was fine with the gb lynch, I spent a lot of effort trying to get people not to bail from the Onegu lynch and to get people to join it. Ritoky has a ton of "plausible deniability" about not being persuaded by the words of me and various other pro-lynch-onegu people. I guess what I'm getting at is, if Ritoky is scum, why take this leap and get onto Onegu? I get that it makes him look townie, but there's a REASON it makes him look townie, and that's that it's a bad move for scum to make. It's not just a bus, it's a bus that basically took Onegu from not being lynched to be ing lynched, if you think this is what happened. nah your not getting vivax's argument / : vivax knows hes town 100 percent, therefore it doesnt matter how bad a play scum made, because hes not scum, therefore there must be scum who bussed (that or chrom and hopeless are scum together, but I think vivax has flip flopped enough for one game so no reason to invite that) | ||
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On November 03 2015 07:56 Blazinghand wrote: btw Vivax moments like that are perfect for Ace Attorney screenshots I am the only one who gets to decide what is worthy of ace attorney music/screenshots!!!!!!!!! On a side note I fucked up not posting before the nk / : was over helping a friend prep for an interview. Also ritoky? RITOKY? thats... an interesting shot... wouldnta guessed that one / : ##vote hopeless this has to happen, I can rehash my whole case on hopeless voting gb instead of onegu when by his own admission (onegu testing phase was over) he should have totally voted onegu, but none of that matters. this Be honest, is there really a possibility that at I could convince everyone that I was town? is basically unforgivable. | ||
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Thats pretty wifomy logic, but I feel pretty confident about it (bonus points if vivax or hopeless start talking about why the ritoky shot makes them totes town) | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote: and yet i wasnt lynched yesterday. Im honestly confused. peeps wanted gb dead : D | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:14 Vivax wrote: I find it "surprising" gumshoe needs to find a reason to drop that vote Feels like overkill dont be crumbing scrub : P ima wordy fella, the reasons flow freely. | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:14 Hopeless1der wrote: also as to your case, the only reason i legit had to call onegu scum was omgus. GB was scummier to me so i voted him. if im your scum buddy I already know all this no? So stop wasting words : P | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:19 Blazinghand wrote: I dunno, do you think there's anything that could REALLY cause us not to lynch H1? You and I are both super on lynching H1, I'm not sure leaving us alive would cause us to... not lynch him? I do get what you're saying though in terms of like "an unusual nk means scum is displseased with the current game flow" and agree with that in principle. nothing should stop the h1 lynch, but that doesn't mean scum ever stop trying XD | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:19 Vivax wrote: Gum you're a sneaky dog, that was unexpected. wpwp (with backthoughts I might as well just be wrong again) LIKE, the guy with hopeless is a massive snake of a scum player. vivax sounds like a dragon name, dragons are kind of snake like : P | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:23 Hopeless1der wrote: i think im due to waste some words, no? spend em in the qt : P this is our house. | ||
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On November 03 2015 08:24 Hopeless1der wrote: gumshoe has an sssssss in it if you try real hard Le Ssssssssssssssssigh | ||
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fine but your being evicted in 2 days / : make sure your stuff is together by then. | ||
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On November 03 2015 09:34 Hopeless1der wrote: racists.  Gumshoe, what happens if I'm town? Then you failed us and we lose ) : for which you should feel really really bad t-t | ||
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We dont plan for the extremely unlikely because it's just that, unlikely : P and doing so often lowers the quality of our lives assuming the impossible didnt happen. Btw your gonna have to try a bit harder, onegu's "deathly ill bit" was pretty convincing last time around and that guy is totes dead/red / : | ||
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On November 03 2015 10:09 Hopeless1der wrote: so then you understand the gravity of the situation. Why did you let me live yesterday? I don't magically decide who town lynches, I pushed for you over gb all day yesterday(if you were actually reading you would know that), but bh and chrom weren't having it, I enjoy playing with them and I know they're town, so wasn't exactly eager to shout them into submission when I might have still been wrong about gb. Don't foist your predicament off onto me man : P if this is a mislynch it is utterly and completely your fault. But you are scum so don't worry about it too much / : just try a little harder next time k? | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:28 Hopeless1der wrote: If this is a mislynch, it is not 100% my fault. I'll take like 90% of the blame. But here, you want us to lose, and I checked, I'm allowed to help. ##Vote: Hopeless1der If you are town you've taken things out of my hands / : by playing the way you have I probably couldn't defend you now even if I wanted too. Which I don't, cause you scum | ||
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On November 04 2015 00:50 Hopeless1der wrote: Thats the thing, everyone has called me scum so why wasnt I even remotely close to dying yesterday? I'm the lynchbaitiest lynchbait there is, especially this game. I havent really seen any defense of me since day 1. I mean if you're ready to afk and ignore me, do it. I wont blame you, everyone else has. Nah I'll talk : D the reason was we basically deduced that given the play of everyone here, scum had to be among three people, which meant we could lynch those three in any order. Gb took priority because he was actively pissing people off in thread, basically people really wanted him gone/ were sure he was scum, as opposed to you who was already gone period : P But I apologize for not killing you yesterday hopeless ) : the townies had a vendetta and scum went along with' it's that's why you didn't die, but don't worry, we'll fix it today : D | ||
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On November 04 2015 03:13 Hopeless1der wrote: and that doesnt seem awfully convenient? not really, chrom and bhs reads onto gb were fine, I just disagreed based off tone and conflicting agendas popping up in his play, I wasn't likely to convince them because I knew they had put a ton of effort into their reads, and again, maybe I was wrong about gb, who knows. We don't have to speak to what ritoky was thinking, cause he dead, that leaves you and vivax, vivax isn't going to turn down a free mislynch, so hes whatever, and you aren't going to be voting for yourself for obs reasons -_- The only thing that is at all note worthy, is me not shoving my opinion further down the throats of other townies(though I did push it quite hard, youd know if you actually bothered to read, should do that plox), which I was reluctant to do as unlike rayn and gb, chrom and bh were not playing badly at all / : and I did I owe chrome a sheep. See it's easy to say things are "convenient" by looking at the result, but that quickly unravels once you vet each person related to the lynch / : like an 0-3 were every game is a down to the wire base race / : you gotta watch for what actually happened instead of just drawing conclusions from the punch line. | ||
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On November 04 2015 08:03 Chromatically wrote: This was pretty funny too. Whoopsies sorry GB! yeah, to be fair, if gb was a monster by the end, we kinda made him that way / : he was totally right and everyone slammed him for it XD | ||
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On November 04 2015 08:59 Vivax wrote: Idk who could be the last mafia at this point, too many doubts. But if you're going to lynch me tomorrow, you can do it today and end the game earlier with a scum victory. I'm not going to vote myself for wincon reasons but you should if you aren't prone to believe into me being townie. Else all the hopeless lynch will do is delay this by another cycle, and I'm tired of this game. I don't believe the other 2 townies will change their mind. oks | ||
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On November 05 2015 07:08 Vivax wrote: Don't worry I think scum will simply not shoot. promise? | ||
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On November 05 2015 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: hah. yeah, it's a good point though, we're pretty much free to talk since that's the case not much more to say / : Chrom is town, his actions day 2 make no sense from a scum view (why push a mislynch so hard when a townies already on the block? its a great way to get pushed, I wont buy into that, not this game. bh is town, like I said before, bh will use any excuse to justify shitty play, but his performance this game has been exemplary so that bit doesnt even apply. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- vivax has been hyping up his paranoia all game as a reason to attack anyone, in the past three cycles hes expressed suspicion twoards me, bh, chrom, ritoky, gb, hopeless, everyone really. He jumped on my yam train once it got going and he even tried to make a rayn mislynch happen until he realized a shot would be more effective considering his scum buddies were town reading rayn to the max. His stance of "I have no idea who scum is" basically translates to "I'm fine with any lynch so long as it's not me" which perfectly fits the scum agenda I would expect him to have with a team of onegu and hopeless. Speaking of which, it's not hard at all to find tons of awkward encounters between hopeless/vivax and vivax/onegu, as weve already pointed out time and time again. The final nail in the coffin is without a doubt his attempt to convince xata to switch his vote on day 3, plus his discontent post flip as point out by bh. His overall play this game, which has frequently led town in the wrong direction( going so far as to critique others for attacking onegu and hopeless on day 1) in conjunction with the above evidence leads to only one conclusion. Vivax is our final scummer, Lynch him and be merry as we savor frozen dairy! I will be pretty busy for the rest of the week, but I will pop back in to read whats left, answer any questions or accusations brought against me or mah townies and of course to restock our supply of verbal memes should we run low. glhf | ||
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----------------------------------------------------- 1: Every major stance I have taken this game has been, as far as I can tell, to the benefit of town, with the exception of the yam lynch which no one can blame me for cause that dude looked legit terrible / : day I: called for onegus head, decrying the slam rayn lynch as dumb and illconcieved(basically slam dared marv and things snowballed from there) would have jumped on the onegu shenayny train but was worried that people would use the split to hammer rayn, who I assumed would be of great use to town should he live (I was wrong and I was right about that, rayn was utterly worthless, but his death all but outed the scum team) night 1: As opposed to joining the rayn hate train, I kept a level head and used my history with him basically to come the conclusion that he was being a useless little bitch, but wasn't scum. Had just a few more reacted to rayn in anger, we may very well have lost this game, as town would literally not have survived both a rayn and gb mislynch. day 2: Yamato debacle, dude had to go, just be glad there were no more yamatos this game. night 2: I immediately bounced back from the mislynch and started to consider the scum team as a whole, basically the inception of the 4 man suspect pool that would define the back half of the game. day 3: Drew alot of information from the rayn shot that many disagreed with, but gave me personally the direction I needed to put together alot of different bits that resulted in the onegu lynch. night 3: sparred with gb, once again kept a level head despite townie stupidity, resorted to desperate measures to get him to cooperate. day 4: Made my opinion on hopeless known, but didn't shove it onto a town I knew to be reasonable. night 4: popo sees all. day 5: ez ez night 5: are we there yet? =------------------------------------------- point 2: As you may have already figured, I can explain every single stance I have taken this game, every. single. one. Please try me. ------------------------------------------- point 3: I did give Yamato a chance to convince me / : I had misgivings, and asked him questions at one point on day 1. He responded with "you bore me". Not sure how I was supposed to react other than pushing for his immediate removal from a game he clearly did not want to play. ------------------------------------------------------------------ point 4: there is no record of me bieng remotely this active as scum, but there are plenty of town examples. ------------------------------------------------------------------ point 5: I am town. --------------------------------------------------------- so with all that in mind, anyone wanna fight? | ||
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On November 06 2015 01:07 Vivax wrote: I will fight like a crazy mofo for my life, don't think I will go down easily. CAUSE IM NOT MAFIA. But first I need to decide who's the remaining mafia and it's tough. I might get back to chrom again just for the belief that not ALL my reads were wrong. Past days I felt really defeated by the last mafia cause he's playing so well and after pinging at gumshoe I started doubting I would be able to ping him at all, but today I passed my assessment with 8/9 pts and I'm going to at least TRY to kick the last mafia's ass after I'm done drinking with my fellow students. See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas. BRING IT SCUM. YOU. ME. MOTHERFUKAN THUNDERDOME | ||
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On November 06 2015 01:56 Vivax wrote: Why does it have to be you gumshoe? I just said I wasn't sure who's mafia anymore but you say it has to be between you and me. oh I dont care who you go after, Ima still come for you. Just for funsies, the peeps you target can talk too though : P | ||
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See you tomorrow for a maximum difficulty lylo fellas. | ||
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Our racks are spent, but our hats have reached their final forms (I shall not post pictures this time, for each persons perfect hat is quite unique, and base images would not do such divine headware justice) Time to end this choco tyranny. | ||
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On November 06 2015 08:00 Vivax wrote: The challenge in this game right now is to actually get you to look at each other without the constant thought in your head that I am scum for sure cause it's simply not true. Why do you have to look at each other and comment on that? Cause I got no real slamdunk idea on who is scum right now and I need help from volunteers. I can't solve this game alone, I've been just feeling outplayed for days and I'm paranoid about all of you. the problem with this is its exactly what scum would want us to do in a strong position -_- kill ourselves. Townies have the power of ignorance, were in they can come up with bullshit cases that they know 100 percent are the truth, when in fact are just theories at best. Basically yeh, who know the honest gospel, cannot bring thyself to concoct bullshit in the face of nigh overwhelming fact, and hope that we of lesser knowing can do what you cannot. You call us biased, but the truth is your the one whose view point is fixed / : You see the situation so clearly, you cant actually concoct a case that makes sense, like a patron whose tasted such fine delights he no longer can bring himself to enjoy the flavor of based bacon, BACON. But your downfall shall be that we are now much the same, Afterall, what lies can sate men who have tasted a desired truth far beyond their most cherished fantasies? You rely on us cracking in the absence of absolute clarity, but it shall not be so chocolate man, it shall not, be so. | ||
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On November 06 2015 08:11 Vivax wrote: And btw BH your meta analysis is actually a point in my defense cause marv and rayn are dangerous players when they don't get mad about obnoxious/lazy/crazy players and Xata, the third, had a massive filter. At best the ritoky NK was weird cause he really quit playing the game altogether since the Onegu kill and all he did was keep spamming how confirmed he was. And besides I really wanted to lynch him so the NK felt to me like "nope, wrong again bro" and I just wanted to bite my own ass at that point. I don't even know where to start looking for the last mafia and I will do it tomorrow anyway, sober. One important point is that it's probably the guy who was most right and survived the longest, still. Bolded for importance. We're looking for someone who was more right and more townie than marv or rayn since the game started, probably included scum in his lists but always pursued somebody else until he had to vote them, and who has always been buddy buddy with the other two townies. I called hopeless/onegu day fucking 1. I was right about rayn, gb, xata, ritoky, marv slam, (Though I did go back and forth a bit on rit and chrom) and of course I am right about you. basically 'I wouldn't say I'm the best,' she said, 'but I can't think of anyone better, I have to say.' besides I've already locked you in for single combat so don't go dodging me mang : P | ||
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On November 06 2015 18:31 Vivax wrote: Let's go for a round of actually considering alternatives: This was written when Slam had 5 votes on him after gumshoe posted an initial team of Xata/hopeless/Onegu. He was indeed town jesus! Yet starting from these reads he kept changing them for strange reason and based on what others said. Now you can just compare reads to see if what gum was saying was truthful... GB and yamato Rngd and townread by Onegu, so gumshoe couldn't agree with it. Gumshoe himself falling under the 1gu rule and not ask him wtf that means, also agreeing with that. And Xatalos 100 % town, who was one of gum's initial scumreads. So I assume this was gum early bussing his really useless mafia partners, then changing his mind when rayn and marv pushed for the slam lynch and GB made his dumb push on me. The bolded makes no sense, as I came right around to lynching onegu to spare slam and rayn who I read as town, and I was defending gb -_- and wasnt even coming after you at the time. id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. as for onegu rule, I assumed it was the same as any stupid slam/coag rule that magically makes them unlychanble, I always find those kinds of things total bullshit and didn't bother asking at the time cause I didn't want to even acknowledge it thereby giving it any credit whatsoever. | ||
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On November 06 2015 18:17 Vivax wrote: When I get somebody to muse with me about situations where I'm not mafia instead of just reflecting everything I write back at me, I am in a position where we actually scumhunt instead of having you continuing to kick the guy who's already down. I don't know how many lylos you played but it's usually where you want to have different camps and not just one. For example we have 3 players right now, 1 mafia among them, and me being an uncontested lynch. We need an advocatus diaboli to make this two sided, cause the game isn't over and you should still go over it. I wouldn't even be writing all this if I weren't a mislynch. But little can I do if the 2 remaining townies and the mafia keep repeating how they won't change their mind. If you're good at this game and also know you can be wrong, you would have to help me make this a day where decisions are actually being made and not just followed through with. if your good you also know when to trust your strengths and accept the obvious. My strengths are town reads, not scum reads, my town reads on bh and chrom are some of the strongest I've ever had. I have an insane rate of accuracy whenever I defend someone in gb like fashion and bh/chrom rise above even that / : Also there actually is plenty of evidence against you, so those two put together basically eliminate all my doubts. I will continue to reflect everything back at you because I don't think we need two camps / : I think that's exactly what scum needs, so forgive me for not entertaining your proposal. question vivax, do you think the no shot was the best choice for today? | ||
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On November 07 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote: I think you all played this game similarly, you probably the least, being one of those who pushed GB with quite the effort. I'd put you into the towniest spot tentatively, BH in the middle and gumshoe as the scummiest. That might change upon reread. It's an odd question since everyone agreed it was. It just makes it harder for everyone to figure out the last maf, so yes, it was the best choice. I understand it was super obvius for you that it would be a no shot, but wasnt really for anyone else Bh My initial thought remains "let's post our reads right before EoN" so that scum can't plan who to shoot for LYLO, but honestly our reads are already pretty much out there. I'll do the usual End of Night read post but I'm glad to discuss things with people before then. Chrom Huh. That's true. I guess we should just use this as extra discussion time. me in response to you. promise? basically, you say it was super obvious, but no one elses mind just went there like yours did / : but that's a low blow, what I am really getting at, is you knew mafia were taking weird shots. At best the ritoky NK was weird cause he really quit playing the game altogether since the Onegu kill and all he did was keep spamming how confirmed he was. And besides I really wanted to lynch him so the NK felt to me like "nope, wrong again bro" and I just wanted to bite my own ass at that point. so with the knoledge in hand that scum had been unpredictable with thier nks this game and also that a no nk was objectively the perfect choice, why did you out the best move so casually? After you say it, everyone's in agreement, its clearly optimal, if scum were going to take a shot before what you said, they most certainly weren't after. Did you not even consider the negative impact nonchalantly guiding a clearly erratic shooter would have? Your reads aren't just bad this game Vivax, your not at all concerned about the negative effects of your overall play, like your bitching after the yam flip. That yam flip really killed a lot of my motivation to play this game, he had two fucking days. It's a riddle to me why people actually sign up sometimes. you never should do this at town, it contributes to a gloom and doom outlook on the game that only benefits scum, its also an excuse for future shitty play which is exactly what scum love to cultivate. | ||
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On November 07 2015 07:36 Vivax wrote: Your point about the shot doesn't matter, I'm just good enough to know the best play for scum in that situation, cause he has 2 guys who already agree with him. Why I think about this? Cause I think from town point of view. I know I'm the mislynch, I know that the last mafia just says the same stuff as the other two townies. Easy decision for mafia: Don't shoot anyone, keep 2 allies and a mislynch. Your gloom and doom point is irrelevant cause I play the game without many excuses really. I was just telling you how I felt. How do you feel after pushing a lynch on the wrong guy? I dont talk about how mediocre I'm going to be after/because of/a mislynch. also you dont exactly have a bunch of idiots here with you, we all have been pretty reasonable this game but none of us were quite as on your page right away about the nk, but clearly you had thought it through, so why didnt you even consider that maf was going to take a shot? Mafia have done ludicrous work with the nk this game, I would have never expected rayn or ritoky to die and neither did you, so was it not possible mafia WAS going to make things easier for us by making an nk? The fact that you didnt even consider that a possibility when you posted is my point / : no matter how unlikely it was, you may have been the one to put us into a slightly worse situation than we already were in if your town. | ||
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On November 08 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:  out trash | ||
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On November 08 2015 02:50 Chromatically wrote: lol gumshoe I think that's a little harsh I didn't mean it XD | ||
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On November 08 2015 04:17 Vivax wrote: You guys aren't even replying to anything I write, what exactly should I do BH? If 2 townies want to lynch me and never think about changing their mind then I can't do anything. not fair, I've replied to everything / : you just don't have very good points. | ||
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On November 08 2015 05:48 Vivax wrote: But just based on today's posts I would say BH, he has felt pretty careless in this situation. Chrom and gum were more engaged and chrom even cared to look at other survivors before deciding. Based on the entire game I probably can't tell. oks | ||
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On November 08 2015 06:25 Blazinghand wrote: i'm here via phone if anyone needs to talk to me about things I've done. this looks pretty much like Vivax taking turns accusing people of being scum though and now it's my turn basically, this entire game i have pushed hard to figure out this game. I've been wrong at times (pushing yam over gb; though both were town anyways, and i did try to shenannie onto 1g, h1, and gb) but in general I think I've played a really really good game. I helped drive us towards the right set of lynches, kept wagons together on 1g, h1, and gb, and basically all game have been doing my best to figure out the game. I honestly am proud of how I played this game; this is one of the best town games I've played, definitely in 2015, possibly in years. I was wrong at times but i figured things out. If I seem complacent on this lynch it's because chrom and gumshoe can't possibly be scum, and if it seems like i'm not entertaining vivax' arguments, it's because they're really bad. he's clearly flailing looking for ANYONE to call scum and ANYTHING that can stick. I'm around though if you guys have Qs : D dont vote this guy, hes adorable. | ||
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On November 08 2015 06:33 Blazinghand wrote: yeah but ur not trying to figure out the game, also like if you were really town, i feel like you'd have... like figured out who was scum and wrote a real case like 72 hours ago, instead of speculating about scum nk? just a thought also the fact that you've been pretending to push h1 and 1g but not actually pushing them and freaked out hard about the 1g lynch,t hen were mad when he got lynched... like i'm pretty sure you're scum dude, maybe you should check your role pm Oh shit D : you went the whole game without being bm, what have you done?! | ||
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On November 08 2015 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: Don't worry, a lot was my fault for not being invested in this game, and not being invested in this has nothing to do with you calling me mafia. An advice I could make is that you were confirmation biased by the meta case. Like I've said before, sometimes you twisted the facts to fit them under your scum read on me instead of analysing them objectively. If there is a place to improve, it's in there. I think my mistake was letting you die / : I was fairly sure you were town, if I could have convinced the others maybe we might have lynched vivax instead, which might have given us a chance, but not sure how we could have swayed chrom / : and I'm not sure I personally would have ever gotten out of bh's pocket T_T | ||
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whateves, I can always just blame Vivax for my own failings. | ||
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On November 08 2015 08:37 GlowingBear wrote: Maybe I can also understand thinking you could be wrong and voting with your townreads To be honest I think the mistake you took this game was agreeing to let me die before hopeless or even onegu. You could've just stay on those if you had your scumread on us three. It didn't make much sense to me voting with your townreads when both the wagons were supposedly scum to everybody. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? wouldnt matter, I needed to prevent you from dying ever, if your on the chopping block doesnt matter when it'll happen, it'll happen. You had to be saved / : that's just one obvious thing I needed to do. | ||
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