[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience

On October 22 2015 06:31 gumshoe wrote:


me no play long time / : I'm all pent up, but aside from that, it wasn't ballsy at all. You set the value of the vote. That value is equivalent to that of a hat. Atm voting for someone is the equivalent of storing your hat on a rack. Basically for the first day we all have awesome racks but shitty hats. As the game goes on, our racks will deteriorate, the wood changing from fine oak to base mahogany, but our hats shall grow in splendor. Soon they will be both outlandish and dignified. Not just one flavor, but two in conjunction. Chocolate and Vannila in perfect harmony.

Vivax would you consider yourself a prickly dude?

On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

On October 22 2015 07:15 gumshoe wrote:


Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia?

if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town."

not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / :

On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:


Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.

On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. Plus I think BH doesnt actually think theres gonna be an rng lynch, his post is just a way to look daring plus active as ethier alignment. I wasnt a fan of him becoming entrenched as town based of something pretty neutral, the reason I posted was because I felt it wasnt obvius that his rng theory was neutral. Rng play is a risky one for scum, but if you assume town wont go for it and are just feigning the play to build filter, then it's totally neutral.

On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. .

On October 22 2015 08:22 gumshoe wrote:


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On October 22 2015 08:46 gumshoe wrote:


historically you are usually wrong about my active play. That does and should make a difference in how people consider your inevitable/doomed and or scummy tunnel of me.

On October 22 2015 09:18 gumshoe wrote:


How old is Gb? Night classes maybe?

Gb you legal?
To be honest I wouldn't care about something so small If I hadn't felt pressured as mafia to tell a similar lie before / : something about being at the park with mah doge all day.

On October 23 2015 04:38 gumshoe wrote:
People I'm willing to lynch today.

Xata- as said before, looks like hes posting alot but isnt actually saying much of substance, worse yet he talked alot about stuff that didnt really matter at all (simulating a true rng lynch, trolling rayn, how he waffles days one me) but yeah he hasnt come back yet so probs need to hear more.

Hopeless- definition of worthless, but I'm not sure if mafia would actually be comfortable joining an active thread to contribute naught but dank memes.

onegu- "So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll..." as a player who has been absolutely shit and lazy as both mafia and town I'm well aware of the terrible impact such a player can have on a game. If they are not lynched quickly they become a huge distraction that cant particularly be read into cause they're shit and lazy. Mafia players can and have used the whole "hes so bad, there's no way hes mafia" meta plenty so if Onegu insists on being scummy then we should oblige him provided there isn't a better alternative.

People I'm mixed on

Bh: His original Rng post set me off a bit, but without writing another wot I'll just say that I liked the answers he gave to the questions I asked. If necessary I'll elaborate but for now lets just say his response felt very honest and off the cuff. His defense of Yam could be scummy, if Yam is town Bh might just be setting up for his flip in a very non committal way(asking for time as opposed to outright defending him), but trying to clear space for a townie so that they can talk freely doesnt strike me as bads, unless he thinks yamato plays worse when hes not under pressure / : they could be scumm bros but that would be a bit obvious no?

Chrom: Liked his posts on Ritoky though I still think hes totally wrong. town players have often found that kind of thing (tells early game) scummy, it's happened to me several times before. Reads early game are rarely things of beauty for our hats are often quite puny. An aggressive read like that can also backfire huge, concrete accusations are a great way for mafia to get unnecessary spotlight thrown onto them. So yeah, methinks chroms wrong but not scum. Though he may just be throwing together a convincing tunnel on a fairly inactive player.

The thing where Chrom went back and drew a connection with the picture feels very townie to me though, reminds me of my own happy tunnels, but I doubt the picture actually means much (would be a tad obvious if it did)

Glowing bear- not sure about him, Vivax seems like a weird target for mafia to push but they might not have a really good selection of schlubs to frame. Fun note, Bh, chrom and GB all clearing room for Yamato when he hasn't done much at all? Coincidence? Mabs, mabs not.

Not much else to report, Marv probs town? Someone said(bh I thunk) he'd be pretty shit if hes maf and he doesn't seems shitty so hurrah I suppose.

On October 22 2015 08:17 gumshoe wrote:
Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed.

On October 22 2015 08:59 gumshoe wrote:
your a meanie and everyone else except chrome is not particularly notable.

On October 23 2015 04:48 gumshoe wrote:


I commented just now on Rayn, but if you want a follow up, Rayn is consistently aggressive towards me as town or scum, but he backed off which is usually what town rayn does when I say the magic words hes looking for. The one time he was scum he just kept going after me till I dead / : but I dont claim to be able to read him very well. Hes aggressive as town, and ever so slightly more aggressive as scum. Time should tell what he actually is / : so for now I'm dumping him the yamato camp of -give it a day out in the sun.

Btw I cant tell if your actually for reals about Rayn or just pushing the RNG XD guess its both?

On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
My risque lynch would be yamato. I didn't like this part of his gb post



this post isnt calling marv scummy, its saying that he was doing the right thing, then stopped doing it. Feels like hes trying to direct marv back onto JB, which feels quite bad to me.

also this



This just feels REALLY confident, like he knows for a fact jb is full of shit, while I and several others are fairly on the fence about him.

On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote:


Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually
perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / :

Also, his redirecting you onto Jb is scummy to me because hes not actually investigating you, the tone of his posts suggests he knows your town and were doing the "right" thing and just stopped for some reason. Problem is, I think he doesnt seem to really care what that reason is, only that you stopped going onto Gb.The only point in him calling you out was to regain momentum onto jb. Which feels like an agenda as opposed to honest scum hunting.

Basically, between the guy who feels too right and is trying to redirect the most townie player, and the dude whose stumbling drunkley, my own bias compels me to suspect the former / :

On October 24 2015 00:37 gumshoe wrote:


which is quite easy for an effective scum player to do no? Honestly I know Tl players are amazing after what must be at least half a decade of constant play. But the only thing really seperating our two factions is knowledge, a player appearing too effective (as is the case with yamato in my eyes atm) in such a short space of time and posting is something that should always concern us.

But after the gb martyr I'm down to kill him as I doubt a yamato lynch could even happen unless gb flips green.
but please elaborate on hopeless, I dont got your history or your meta, he just seems totes worthless something I will never again take for granted after one particular game.

On October 24 2015 00:45 gumshoe wrote:


fine, shortening the list to onegu and gb, but make no mistake, my little vivax WILL rise once again, with a vengeance.

On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:

Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1.

With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either.

In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting

On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:

More of this hopeless?

How is this helping your reads?

On October 24 2015 01:09 Xatalos wrote:


I guess that makes sense... Your argument I mean. I'd happily jump on Slam if I was scum GB.

On October 24 2015 02:57 gumshoe wrote:
Also what was it that made gj look better to you Yamato?

On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here.

Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always.

I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does.

Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here.

Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.

On October 24 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:


Oh boy another one poking at a bee hive.

On October 24 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:
ebwop

yamato I'd like some answers to the following two question.

1: What did you find scummy about slam early on?




in response to



also what about hopeless? what made you read him as town? has anything changed?

On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
Gb- I rather not lynch him, his tunnel onto Vivax is probs wrong, but then again I havent really dug into vivax, (but I dont like how he turned around onto Gb / : the guy whose tunneling you tends to be a really easy mark for maf, they can just focus them till lynch and not contribute elsewise, which is pretty much were vivax is at, also I dont like detailed excuses*he done it twice now#),. Overall I think hes just a derpie townie who got caught up in a tunnel with a player whose more null than scummy and now feels compelled to stand his ground. Def been there.

On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
Xata- I dont feel hes done little enough good or plenty enough wrong to warrant a lynch today. I could elaborate but meh.

I still feel pretty good about chrom and Ritoky(less so about ritoky, but in his defense rayn is kind of a black hole that absorbs all your attention at times) so atm I wouldn't vote them today.

Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them.

On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
People I need to read more into -Bh(has seemed rather useless as of late) Slam, been letting him off cause Slam, but thats not a good reason to neglect his filter T_T small as it may be.

On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.

After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.

I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say.

On October 24 2015 00:21 Xatalos wrote:


Do you honestly think he believes I'm scum based on that? I made an extremely similar push last time I was town and he was scum, and he similarly immediately scumread me for the push. It's actually unbelievable how similar his gut reaction is.

And it's very odd how his PoE possibility of Slam being scum suddenly became the best lynch. Even though he's pushed GB for the recent times. And how is PoE even a valid reason for his lynch choice when he has several actual scumreads and overall his reads are nothing consistent? His reads have changed in so many directions that how is Slam still in a similar PoE position? I think he just saw an easy way out of getting lynched today and went for the easy route of sheeping you, even though there's still like 5-6 hours time left.

On October 24 2015 00:26 yamato77 wrote:
I'll be around later today. I have a meeting at lunch and then I'll be free. Will become more active afterward, assuming I can stand this shitty keyboard I am forced to use because my nice mechanical stopped working D:

On October 24 2015 00:30 gumshoe wrote:


Because it feels too Bang on. like his assessment about Gbs shitposting feels definitive. The way he phrases it is actually
perfect and makes total sense. That said, Gb making shit up as he goes along doesnt and bieng totes wrong doesnt make him mafia( I know this for a fact). Yamato is just right and succint, which is something mafia are very good at cause they know everything / :

On October 24 2015 05:12 gumshoe wrote:


I think Yamato Ritoky plus maybe onegu/hopeless are scum.

and I think the lynch onto you and slam is retarded and it seems like a super dumb lynch ethier way.

thats is the format in which my mind is made up.

On October 24 2015 02:53 yamato77 wrote:
hm

slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable"

I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic.

I don't necessarily disagree that GB looks better but I'm rather hesitant to sleep on the idea of lynching him entirely.

Rayn is just not mafia here I don't think. Unless he is mafia with marv and they both successfully pocketed me. I doubt this though, because literally everyone thinks I am town now so lol.

I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either.

On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.

Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.

I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.

Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.

Yamato did some stuff looked townie.

GB rolled my RnG.

Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.

Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.

I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.

Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.

UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.

Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.

Ummm.....

No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.

Damn I am good at this game.

You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.

On October 24 2015 06:45 gumshoe wrote:


Bro I've put way more effort into this game than you and def more than slam and thats Besides the fact that I wasn't pushing for a retarded lynch like half of town.

I've provided plenty of solid reasons all throughout day 1 for why I deemed gb, rayn and slam town. I scum read you initially and then realized I was flat out wrong before my idiocy impacted the lynch (something you could learn from).

Worst thing is, now you fucking group me with the people I wanted gone? That is total bullshit.

apologize to gumshoe + Lynch yamato/hopeless day 2= eat crow and profit.

On October 24 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
Also I deduced why Gb is town, I meta read rayn, I gut read slam, worked through some suspicions with Bh, didnt tinfoil against marv, accused Yamato of making a mafia play based off forbidden knowledge, went back and forth on chrom and you and ritoky. I've done tons of thinking and posting and you boiling it down to me accusing lurkers is super shitty

I hope you die tonight. And I dont mean in the game.

On October 25 2015 00:02 Xatalos wrote:
Not sure where you would get that picture GB?

On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote:
Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam.

It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam)

On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam

On October 26 2015 06:34 gumshoe wrote:


You assume Gb is bieng totally level headed / : as a scum player, I personally feel tremendous fear to do things that directly contribute to my death or the death of my teamates. We can deduce that Gb was emotional, which is not impossible to be as scum (especially when your actually in a losing position, as opposed to where Rayn was) off his outburst in thread. When the Slam wagon switched, unless Gb is a tremedous actor immense releif would have rolled over him. To then have right away have the peace of mind to recognize your own powerlessness and do something that directly hurts your cause is something I do not think scum Gb could accomplish on his own, given his mental state, and I doubt he would be coached to do by his team.

That and I read him as a fuck up townie, not a desperate scummer / : but thats more a feel thing that comes from lots of games of bieng a fuck up townie than anything else, so its harder to elaborate on.

On October 26 2015 08:03 Xatalos wrote:


Have you ever considered him to be town after the first minute...? I guess you did offer alternative lynches at times, like rayn.

I'd really like to hear your overall reads right now.

On October 26 2015 08:35 gumshoe wrote:
The choice should definitely be Yamato and Onegu, but the difference between them was best put by Marv.



people expect things of Yamato, whereas this game is par for the course with Onegu / : both are fine lynches but the edge should definitely go to the guy who if scum, was playing based off a scum agenda and was actually trying somewhat.

On October 26 2015 09:24 gumshoe wrote:


In between these two statements, a list is proposed to him, he says one player on it he wouldn't call scum, based off his prior refusal to town read slam, we can deduce hes other bieng misleading, or hes telling us that hes ok with slam bieng scum.

The reasoning he provides for Slam bieng scum completely parrots Marvs reasoning (that Slam wouldn't react that way) Slam later confirms that he did find slam scummy



If Yamato didnt think slam was scummy, dont you think he would say that? As opposed to this shit? He also says nothings changed -_- like Chrom wtf? how do you want me to fucking take this post? This is mafia, not a simulator.

On October 24 2015 03:53 yamato77 wrote:

you bore me

what do you think about them?

going back now and explaining why I thought those things at that time is pointless

not much has changed

As for them bieng together. Of course it matters -_- if Yamato flips scum then Gb is 100 percent town. If they are buds, why would Yamato redirect godamm fucking Marv onto Gb.



Getting Marv to go after Gb is one of the surest ways to get Gb killed. It's like throwing A FUCKING NUKE AT SOMEONE. and it almost results in Gb's death -_-.

Gb never says much about Yamato, if Gb flips green or red it says absoloutley nothing about Yamatos alignment. But if Yamato flips scum? We can totally write off gb do you honestly not see that?
cmon Chrom T_T.

So please please please vote Yamato, if he flips green I will sheep whatever lynch you want for the rest of the game. Just houmer me today, will yah?

On October 26 2015 10:02 Xatalos wrote:
Could you perhaps elaborate why Onegu is better?

Not that I disagree with lynching him.

Maybe I'll get to sleep soon...

On October 26 2015 12:20 yamato77 wrote:
yeah this obviously didn't happen today

at the very least I'll do a couple filters after work tomorrow but I'm honestly so disinterested in this game

I dunno, it's my fault really, but this wasn't as enjoyable as the last time I played for whatever reason

I think I lost it

On October 26 2015 10:39 gumshoe wrote:


If you can read Yam at all you should know how shit his day 1 was. In fact you of all fucking people should know that XD

His contributions consisted of getting Marv to go after you, almost resulting in your lynch. Not wanting to lynch Onegue for no reason, vaugley going after Slam early and then parroting Marvs slam case back at him to explain his miday vote.

I can understand chrom not wanting to see Yam as scum, cause then he has to give up his case on you
-_- but how can YOU still defend Yam? Its unbelievable XD

To summarize, from your perspective all Yam has been doing is advocating mislynches, providing shady undexplained reads, lurking and fucking town reading/protecting the likes of hopeless and onegue...





WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THIS MAN. If he actually is town by some miraculous stretch, lurkers should be coming out of retirement just to throw shade his way. Instead the only person trying to bring down the man with what must be the most fantastic ratio of lurk to malevolent post this game is me XD

That right there should be enough to tell the tale -_- cman gb, get in mah pen

On October 27 2015 01:25 gumshoe wrote:
I mean cmon Rayn, I wanna just yell you out of this thread atm, you have concocted a magical world in which you cannot be wrong.

a) Xata is scum, I was right all along.

b) Xata is a huge troll and a terrible player, and he deserved to be lynched.

The absolute arrogance displayed in this line of reasoning is truly revolting.

Heres a harsh truth for you Rayn, regardless of how shitty a player is, when you mislynch them, it's every bit as much your fault as it is theirs (Scum Rayn actually gets that better than you do XD). Given THIS paticular situation, it's entirely your fault because Slam and xata are not playing badly by any stretch, there just off here and there.

Honestly, take it from a guy whose been mislynched more times than hes won games, just because someone finds you scummy, and your town, doesnt mean they are scum 0_0

The line of reasoning is by no means absolute and should not be enough to fuel the unbridled indignation you have been flaunting since the end of day 1.

On October 27 2015 01:25 Vivax wrote:
Rayn you know I wouldn't do this if I really didn't think it was necessary, cause here you're either mafia or out of your head.

Otherwise I'd have gone with the plan to let NKs sort you out, but like this it's never gonna happen and you are just impeding progress.

On October 27 2015 01:28 gumshoe wrote:


No, summarize them for me in clear concise points. Your filter is a huge pain to go through because you turned it into a trolly dumpster.

On October 27 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:


I've implied you've been bad, not that I've been good. This is not a competition. Latest games I've been with you, you have been spot on on some people, and dead wrong on others. CopCake, rsoultin, etc. And you blame THEM, but if others were able to read them correctly, well, it's your fault you've got a wrong read, not theirs.

Anyway, that's only if you're town here. If you're mafia you've successfully annoyed everyone, so it might be a good play.

On October 27 2015 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and you are the worst.
and i am mad at myself because i cant actually scumread you.

On October 27 2015 01:47 gumshoe wrote:


This is just dirty, Rayn knows hes town, therefore any reason Gb provides for Rayn being scum is proof to Rayn as to why Gb is actually scum.

It's kinda like my initital Yamato reasoning but cruder.

On October 27 2015 01:57 gumshoe wrote:
Gb as your defacto lawyer this game, Rayn has declared his vote will stay on Xata, until that statement changes I don't recommend talking to him as he doesn't actually have any way to threaten you. That and he might just use everything you say as a way to condemn you / :

On October 27 2015 02:04 gumshoe wrote:


why is he protecting you as scum at this point? You know your town Rayn, why isnt he pushing your wagon?

Like seriously townies, inconsistent reads are only scummy if they correlate with scummy objectives

bad play/inconsistent play
does not
equal
scum.

Compare this to Yams day 1 case of Slam which went like this

Slam is scummy(no reasons provided)
slam is not so scummy(no reasons provided)
Slam is scum now that a wagon has formed on him (provided Literally marvs reasons but respun)

gumshoe: Hey yam, why did you find slam scummy inititally?
Yam: fak you

Result- slamie townie is mislynched.

See how this inconsistent read correlates with a scum agenda? Thats scummy : D.

Compared to Gbs akward waffling and protection of Slam, as well his non scum sensible protection of you, a townie doing his very best to get lynched, theres really no comparison.

That and only one of them can be scum.

On October 27 2015 02:04 gumshoe wrote:


why is he protecting you as scum at this point? You know your town Rayn, why isnt he pushing your wagon?

Like seriously townies, inconsistent reads are only scummy if they correlate with scummy objectives

bad play/inconsistent play
does not
equal
scum.

Compare this to Yams day 1 case of Slam which went like this

Slam is scummy(no reasons provided)
slam is not so scummy(no reasons provided)
Slam is scum now that a wagon has formed on him (provided Literally marvs reasons but respun)

gumshoe: Hey yam, why did you find slam scummy inititally?
Yam: fak you

Result- slamie townie is mislynched.

See how this inconsistent read correlates with a scum agenda? Thats scummy : D.

Compared to Gbs akward waffling and protection of Slam, as well his non scum sensible protection of you, a townie doing his very best to get lynched, theres really no comparison.

That and only one of them can be scum.

On October 27 2015 02:20 gumshoe wrote:


I looked into your meta thing. Your argument that Gb isnt pushing as hard as normal doesnt consider that 1) Gb has been busy and has had classes 2) Gb came under a ton of heat for pushing a derpy scum read(which is a townie thing btw) and had to spend time defending himself 3) by non Gb standards he pushed his case pretty hard, which considering you only have to valid 2 town games in your sample size should be enough to takethis point down to null.

I also countered the miscellaneous points you brought up

1) Gb wasnt teaching vivax he was continuing a 'vivax is scum' point from before

2) Theres no reason to give town passes to sketchy players as scum unless they're your buds (you know your town so yeah, thats one point against that possibility), mislynches are scums lifeblood, scum want to create an environment of negativity and distrust, building bridges with lynchable townies is not the way to do that.

On October 27 2015 02:23 gumshoe wrote:


being a huge scrub.

On October 27 2015 02:20 gumshoe wrote:


I looked into your meta thing. Your argument that Gb isnt pushing as hard as normal doesnt consider that 1) Gb has been busy and has had classes 2) Gb came under a ton of heat for pushing a derpy scum read(which is a townie thing btw) and had to spend time defending himself 3) by non Gb standards he pushed his case pretty hard, which considering you only have to valid 2 town games in your sample size should be enough to takethis point down to null.

I also countered the miscellaneous points you brought up

1) Gb wasnt teaching vivax he was continuing a 'vivax is scum' point from before

2) Theres no reason to give town passes to sketchy players as scum unless they're your buds (you know your town so yeah, thats one point against that possibility), mislynches are scums lifeblood, scum want to create an environment of negativity and distrust, building bridges with lynchable townies is not the way to do that.

On October 27 2015 02:24 Vivax wrote:
I have no clue what Chrom is doing.

On October 27 2015 03:25 gumshoe wrote:


I look forward to the banlist discussion after this game, mah Rayn predictions

"fuck this shitty mafia site, your all trolly scrubs who dont actually want to play the game, none of you can comprehend my genius, Later all you shits."

2 months later

/in

lol bro dont you mean /sitout?

On October 27 2015 03:26 gumshoe wrote:
Oh look, that thing I said where Rayn would use whatever Gb says to confirm his own bias because Rayns already made up his mind happened. Go figure.

On October 23 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I might be wrong on GlowingBear, what Vivax said makes a lot of sense tbh.
It's like GB goes "i call this thing scummy then i ask about it" when it should be another way around if he didn't know the reasoning of Vivax' reads. If he doesn't care about the answer (=scummy anyways, as he seemed to think so), why even ask?

On October 23 2015 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Phew. Finally ended up re-reading.

+ Show Spoiler +

Basically, here is where I'm at:

~ Town:

Chromatically
rayn
marv

~ Null with town passes:

ritoky (I thought he was town but after he got townread his play has been very lackluster)
Xatalos (I hate his filter but I could see some townie posts and I'm never lynching a 8 pages filter on day1)
yamato (I will never lynch yamato on day1 unless he is glaringly scummy, and I have yet to see something scummy in him)

~ Could lynch:

gumshoe (I disliked most of his posts and he even scumread Xatalos for doing exactly what he has done most of the game: wasted it talking about RNG)
Blazinghand (mostly talks about RNG and I have yet to see him getting any scumreads based on his reaction test - he said he won't lynch Chromatically today and that's all that's interesting I have seen him talking about)

~ Could lynch harder:

Onegu (I can never read him and I hated that he said he would sheep me - gives me deja vu from last game where he was mafia against me - him being more invested in this game is usually a bad sign)
Hopeless1der (useless - feels like his play in Avogadro's Mini Mafia)
Vivax (I disagree with everyone, being confident =/= being straight forward and giving unexplained town passes, especially from a guy that I remember seeing flipping his reads constantly based on tinfoil theories. Here I see a guy with static reads that are never updated

Special ? category:
Slam (although people say slam is unreadable, I usually can read him better on later days so I don't really want to think about him on day1)

On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.

And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.

Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.

I'm voting rayn

On October 27 2015 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
I have made this mistake before. I almost made it several times this game. Rayn this is gonna blow your mind... did you know... that...

FUCK UP TOWNIES

TEND

TO FUCK UP.

On October 27 2015 03:34 Chromatically wrote:

YEAH WTF and then here he's saying that he thinks rayn is mafia for something that happened before he called rayn town.

If he thinks rayn is mafia so much for the switch then why was rayn so town in the list post he made?

On October 27 2015 03:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Whatever, I'm tired of talking about this. I want Rayn gone because I'm not having fun with him in this game more than I actually think he is mafia.

On October 27 2015 03:51 gumshoe wrote:


What do I get if your wrong?

On October 27 2015 04:08 gumshoe wrote:


I have read every single post in this game. I have given your arguments fair consideration, and I feel I can chalk them up to townie stupidity, something GB IS capable of showcasing as town. Whereas Yamato basically played super sketch day 1, and then just checked out day 2, cause he knew anything he would say would be used against him (like how you use every little thing gb fucks up on against him) Yamato is generally helpful as town, whereas all his actions this game has aligned with scum.

That and I really only need to get Yamato to flip red to prove gb is green. So no point going through the motions of mislynching gb.

Lets me test your brain Rayn, can Yamato and gb be scum together?

On October 27 2015 04:10 gumshoe wrote:


Youve been acting like such an ass clown that at this point yes, I am quite happy your not on my side of the wagon. Its says alot that I'm more comfortable having hopeless on Yam then you. Not because your scum, but rather cause I feel you would make me wrong about everything just by association with you -_-

On October 27 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote:


hopeless posted.

On October 27 2015 04:34 gumshoe wrote:

I've tried to reason with Rayn when hes like this before in other games, doesnt really work, so this game I've employed a diffrent aproach : D

On October 26 2015 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax you should ask yourself;

Why does Xatalos the greatest not wanna lynch me now? hmm...
I was sure mafia, no? He even said he will get lynched the following day in case i flip town.
Oh noes, but suddenly he has a wide portion of lynch targets other than me.
I literally don't care if he has like 12937 pages of filter because 12936 of them are this:

On October 27 2015 04:49 gumshoe wrote:


Nah, hes one the only lurkers I could see bieng town. Also hes voting Yamato / : even if hopeless is scum he might just be busing his teammate. I see no reason to shift course.