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On October 27 2015 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's nice you ahve some balls gumshoe.
the next thing you gotta do is to learn to read some posts.
I have read every single post in this game. I have given your arguments fair consideration, and I feel I can chalk them up to townie stupidity, something GB IS capable of showcasing as town. Whereas Yamato basically played super sketch day 1, and then just checked out day 2, cause he knew anything he would say would be used against him (like how you use every little thing gb fucks up on against him) Yamato is generally helpful as town, whereas all his actions this game has aligned with scum.
That and I really only need to get Yamato to flip red to prove gb is green. So no point going through the motions of mislynching gb.
Lets me test your brain Rayn, can Yamato and gb be scum together?
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On October 27 2015 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"i think yamato is mafia because rayn is not voting for him, but regardless od who rayn is voting for it's an okay lynch"
Youve been acting like such an ass clown that at this point yes, I am quite happy your not on my side of the wagon. Its says alot that I'm more comfortable having hopeless on Yam then you. Not because your scum, but rather cause I feel you would make me wrong about everything just by association with you -_-
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On October 27 2015 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 04:08 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's nice you ahve some balls gumshoe.
the next thing you gotta do is to learn to read some posts. I have read every single post in this game. I have given your arguments fair consideration, and I feel I can chalk them up to townie stupidity, something GB IS capable of showcasing as town. Whereas Yamato basically played super sketch day 1, and then just checked out day 2, cause he knew anything he would say would be used against him (like how you use every little thing gb fucks up on against him) Yamato is generally helpful as town, whereas all his actions this game has aligned with scum. That and I really only need to get Yamato to flip red to prove gb is green. So no point going through the motions of mislynching gb. Lets me test your brain Rayn, can Yamato and gb be scum together? nope. i am going to bed.
YES the troll is done : D bye bye scrub, see yah after the red flip.
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On October 27 2015 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 04:10 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"i think yamato is mafia because rayn is not voting for him, but regardless od who rayn is voting for it's an okay lynch" Youve been acting like such an ass clown that at this point yes, I am quite happy your not on my side of the wagon. Its says alot that I'm more comfortable having hopeless on Yam then you. Not because your scum, but rather cause I feel you would make me wrong about everything just by association with you -_- seems like you've learned another things aswell.  well, you can have your lynch. i'll call you scum after.
gl with that : P
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On October 27 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:
my mouth is dry from how salty this thread is.
holy fuk.
I've tried to reason with Rayn when hes like this before in other games, doesnt really work, so this game I've employed a diffrent aproach : D
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hmmm wonder where Bh went, hopefully his supper ends soon.
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On October 27 2015 04:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote:On October 27 2015 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:
back in thread and catching up now. seems like lots of post, I'm eager to read the new content. ping me if you want me to do something or need to bring something ot my attention hopeless posted. So we're all on board then? ##unvote
##vote hopeless1der
Nah, hes one the only lurkers I could see bieng town. Also hes voting Yamato / : even if hopeless is scum he might just be busing his teammate. I see no reason to shift course.
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On October 27 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 04:34 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote:
my mouth is dry from how salty this thread is.
holy fuk. I've tried to reason with Rayn when hes like this before in other games, doesnt really work, so this game I've employed a diffrent aproach : D idk i already moved past my frustration with rayn and started reading his posts again cuz i had peanut butter this morning and it changed my perspective on life.....not really. i wish rayn would post more insightful things like this: Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Vivax you should ask yourself; Why does Xatalos the greatest not wanna lynch me now? hmm... I was sure mafia, no? He even said he will get lynched the following day in case i flip town. Oh noes, but suddenly he has a wide portion of lynch targets other than me. I literally don't care if he has like 12937 pages of filter because 12936 of them are this: On October 25 2015 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 25 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't get it. Do have some people have such fragile egos that they can only resort to insulting other people recklessly, then when they're under a bit of scrutiny they just stop playing completely? I am being serious here; I don't want to play when the goes like this: Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "no, here is explanation for X and Y" Xata: "hmm okay" ....... Xata: "rayn is mafia because X and Y" rayn: "....... dude wtf? if you call me scum call me scum for how my explanation doesn't make sense" marv: "yeah, rayn is town. Xatalos you're being an idiot" Xata: "hmm okay" ...... Xata: "rayn is scum for X and Y, also marv is scum" rayn: "marv is never scum" marv: "yeah that's quite clear, wtf are you doing Xatalos?" .... Xata: "hmm rayn is scum for X and Y" that went on for like 40 pages. if you can't understand what's wrong here that then you have to be mafia. so, you are either mafia or effectively throwing the game. so am i, if you are town, but idc. i literally don't care anymore. so you can lynch me, i don't care. I am not posting anymore. But jsut that you know, if you happen to somehow be town here, sometimes you SHOULD listen to people who know better... cuz that's a good post. 97% scum -> rayn doesn't post -> less scum, other people higher priority. that needs to be sufficiently explained because it is a weird progression. he also asked onegu some questions about yamato and didn't really deliver on the back end, but they were good questions. idk rayn might be town....although he thinks i am mafia which makes me laugh. also BH, hopeless posted; where u at? u got a promise to deliver on.
Meh, Xata may have pocketed me pretty hard, but if Yam flips scum that should pretty much clear him so once again, no reason to shift course.
I dont doubt Rayn has a good eye for contradictions, but when those issues dont actually align with a scum motive (as in how does it benefit Xat to town read Rayn when he needs at least 3 more mislynches) they really aren't that convincing.
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On October 27 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 04:49 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 04:48 Blazinghand wrote:On October 27 2015 04:46 ritoky wrote:On October 27 2015 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:
back in thread and catching up now. seems like lots of post, I'm eager to read the new content. ping me if you want me to do something or need to bring something ot my attention hopeless posted. So we're all on board then? ##unvote
##vote hopeless1der Nah, hes one the only lurkers I could see bieng town. Also hes voting Yamato / : even if hopeless is scum he might just be busing his teammate. I see no reason to shift course. Ehhh I see no reason to think of him as town but if there's no support there's no support. Who are the other guys I should be analyzing besides Yam
Currently looks like gb or yam for actual lynch. Rayn and Onegu are on the back burner. I dont see anyone whose not in those 4 dying today, even with maximum shananies,
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On October 27 2015 05:55 Chromatically wrote:
I agree with a lot of that post, BH. But honestly I would argue that our biggest threat to our ability to win is lynching mafia, not lynching people who don't play the game. Lurkers are really bad for town in this setup, but I think we have to consider if lynching a lurker is our best chance of hitting mafia. I don't think it is right now, but clearly many disagree.
A useless lurker, WITH scummy traits, whose playing against his meta : P Not a bad shot at all.
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On October 27 2015 05:57 Chromatically wrote:
The yamato lynch isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just very confident in GB. But it's doubtful it will happen today anyway.
The problem is they are not both scum / : when Yam flips red you better give up your gb read. Else we gonna have problems.
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On October 27 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 05:55 Chromatically wrote:
I agree with a lot of that post, BH. But honestly I would argue that our biggest threat to our ability to win is lynching mafia, not lynching people who don't play the game. Lurkers are really bad for town in this setup, but I think we have to consider if lynching a lurker is our best chance of hitting mafia. I don't think it is right now, but clearly many disagree. Ok, I totally get what you're getting at here. there's an argument to be made, and it is a totally reasonable one, that perhaps all lurkers are town and all active players are mafia, and we should lynch into the most suspicious active players. And in a sense, I think that is not 100% wrong. For example; I think rayn needed an extension and some time to sort out his rage and unwillingness to play. But there are what, 4 lurkers here out of 11 players? It's almost certain that there's at least one mafia in the lurk group, and there are ones like Hopeless1 and Yamato who are literally playing just enough to not ge tmodkilled (remember, this game has no activity requirement). If I were scum this game, I'd just never post and it would be easy. In fact, I feel really certain at least one scum, or maybe all scum, are doing this. And why not? There's a vocal contingent of people (including the lurkers themselves) who do not want to lynch into lurkers We have to think smarter. Normally, lurkers are handled by modkills for failure to meet posting requirements, or cops, or vigilantes, or at the very least some blues make it to LYLO and claim and we have a narrow lynch pool. We have none of those tools this game. People are abusing the ability to lurk, and sure, ti sounds like they have reasons, but there's no reason scum can't just fake reasons. As scum, I would. We need to solve this problem ourselves. We obviously can't lynch every lurker, since doing so is the same as guessing all scum are lurkers (if 2-3 of them are town, we'll run out of lynches and lose probably first). But we can lynch the worst lurker or two, the ones we'll never get a read on, and I'm gambling on one of them being scum. Obviously none of these guys are gonna shot if they're town. What will you do in LYLO when it's all lurkers and scum, or all lurking scum we're refusing ot lynch? We can't have that. Gb will always LOOK worse than Yam because there's a filter to look at. He could have eaisly chosen to never post and he'd be just like Yam, protected by "well, we can't just lynch lurkers, or we'd lose". GB CHOSE TO PLAY. He chose to play the damn game, to try to solve things, even if he's super wrong and dumb, and MAKING THAT CHOICE, that's a town thing. If he's scum, he didn't have to post SHIT. He just had to let the thread implode. He stepped up! HE STEPPED UP. Don't punish that.
you so sexy.
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On October 27 2015 06:12 Chromatically wrote:
My biggest problem with a Hopeless lynch is that I feel like tomorrow will turn into an exact repeat of today where gumshoe pushes yamato all day and I don't want to do that all again honestly.
Well the goal is to lynch the one with the best shot of bieng scum (Which I DO think is Yam but of course we can disagree) but yeah, I do think waiting a day for Yams flip would be too much for my heart T_T
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Yam has been following the thread(hes mostly playing games as opposed to working so I dont doubt it), he may very well pop in, whats more if we lynch hopeless and hopeless flips town as a worst case scenario and then I or Bh or xata get shot, we might not be able to get another wagon on Yam like today, especially with Rayn being a little bitch.
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On October 27 2015 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:Hmm, so it looks like Yam made some general commentary without doing any hard pushes (though he semed on board with slam lynch) during D1. Then he faded out at the end of D1 and has commented rarely since. His reasoning has to do with morale and vidja games Hopeless1 has literally only posted one-liners except for this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=107#2125 and similarly dropped off at the end of D1. His excuse was that he was partying all weekend due to his new job, which is less likely to be true (since yam's is true whether he's scum or town). He spent a lot of time tlaking about my rng, voted slam literally expressly as a sheep, and asked/answered a few basica questions. I guess this post by Yam: Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 13:35 yamato77 wrote:On October 22 2015 13:28 Chromatically wrote:On October 22 2015 13:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think Vivax is mafia.
I think Xatalos has some questionable parts of his filter and I agree with gumshoe to an extent.
I do not think gumshoe is mafia very often (given his play this game).
I think marv has changed how he plays (quite obviously). Don't know what to make of that quite yet.
I think rayn is leaning town but it's hard to say with not much having happened.
Most others are a big ?, including yourself.
tl;dr it's been 20 pages and 8 hours and no reads are confident. Who would you lynch between if you had to pick right now? I wouldn't, because I have like 40 hours to decide. This is one of the issues I have with Xatalos/Vivax and their "read" on me. Do you really expect me to be super active when there's nothing really that interesting to talk about? It's fucking pointless conjecture. No answer to your question will mean a damn thing in 20 hours when I have more substantive stuff to talk about. Sure, it makes you question my alignment, but do I really care? No. When I want to, I'll be painfully obvious town and I'll almost certainly find a better lynch than most of you, and once you realize this, we'll be heading in a better direction. Thinking that you're "putting pressure" on me by forcing me to answer asinine questions is literally the least useful thing you could do at this juncture. If I fail to deliver, you can go ahead and try to get me lynched, but in the mean time, don't delude yourself into thinking I'm scum just because I won't play the game the way you want me to. It's rather silly. Is probably better than the entire hopeless filter combined even though it's mostly BS. Generally, it seems like Hopeless1 is a slightly better lynch to me. At least Yam was like, commenting on stuff what he was alive, right? But honestly both these guys need to die. Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 06:12 Chromatically wrote:
My biggest problem with a Hopeless lynch is that I feel like tomorrow will turn into an exact repeat of today where gumshoe pushes yamato all day and I don't want to do that all again honestly. Hmm, this is a valid objection I suppose. How about we be ready to shenannie onto H1 if Yam is gonna get modkilled due to failure to vote? This might be the win-win we're looking for
I could compromise to this / : we would basically remove both primary lurkers at once. Though I don't like the possibility of yam coming back T_T
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On October 27 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
I think it might be too risky after all... Considering yamato could just vote like 10 seconds before the deadline and we'd be screwed then.
He would probs just say "sorry guys, got here last sec ima vote now" and Rayn would give him a pass cause fuck me. Honestly I would commit to this if we had a more solid town. But as it stands we have 3 major x factors
Rayn, Onegu, Yamato
and to a lesser extent
chrom hopeless ritoky gb.
The lower group is mostly town, but I honestly cant totally trust not to do something super stupid.
The upper group I actually totally trust, to fuck shit up that is.
Basically there are 7 players this game that I really dont want to rely on and for a plan like this, the bare minimum would be a majority of townies post shot who I could count on to react to even the worst case scenario.
We dont have that. Lets just keep things simple for today / :
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This town is too fractured for Shenanies. I want an old fashioned majority and I rather not get super greedy.
Hopeless could you get in here? People want to kill you for the sake of efficiency / : and im not entirely sure they're wrong.
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I think Xatalos has it right, everyone should get off Gb right now, because if yam flips scum off mod kill, we do not to ever lynch gb
The choice now should be the following-
Do we go for the double kill and lynch hopeless or Onegu? 2 players we all agree are fairly sketch.
Or do we play it safe and just lynch Yam in case he comes back, taking into consideration that Rayn is awful and our town tomorrow could be to shitty to lead another lynch.
These are the two best options, nothing else should be considered atm.
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On October 27 2015 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 06:52 Chromatically wrote:
I want to see gumshoe's reaction when yamato flips town, I really do. ftfy sorry
it'll literally be "damm that sucks, sorry guys I was wrong ) : but seriously, go fuck yourself Rayn."
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damm that sucks, sorry guys I was wrong ) : but seriously, go fuck yourself Rayn
be back later tonight T_T
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