On October 27 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote: Actually I have no clue what rayn is doing right now
being a huge scrub.
actually now you are being an ass
I am just showing you how it feels when someone refuses to listen to what your actually saying and spending thier time dallying about in the magical world of
can you stop cluttering the thread please? Your acting as a deterrent to townies who actually care about winning instead of just being right no matter what.
On October 27 2015 02:12 Chromatically wrote: Yeah we seriously should be lynching GB. I don't care if people say I'm tunneled. But it looks like it's not going to happen and I'm about out of effort to push it with.
I wrote a whole strong meta thing and have talked about it all day today and everyone's just like, "actually GB is town because I like this one post that sounds vaguely okay". Look at his total disinterest in the lynch today. He isn't even trying to push a target. He votes yamato, says he would prefer Onegu, and now is voting rayn over them for being annoying..?
Oh well though. I don't know what else to say at this point.
I looked into your meta thing. Your argument that Gb isnt pushing as hard as normal doesnt consider that 1) Gb has been busy and has had classes 2) Gb came under a ton of heat for pushing a derpy scum read(which is a townie thing btw) and had to spend time defending himself 3) by non Gb standards he pushed his case pretty hard, which considering you only have to valid 2 town games in your sample size should be enough to takethis point down to null.
I also countered the miscellaneous points you brought up
1) Gb wasnt teaching vivax he was continuing a 'vivax is scum' point from before
2) Theres no reason to give town passes to sketchy players as scum unless they're your buds (you know your town so yeah, thats one point against that possibility), mislynches are scums lifeblood, scum want to create an environment of negativity and distrust, building bridges with lynchable townies is not the way to do that.
Having classes shouldn't make you play like your scum meta. Pushing a bad read relentlessly is not townie, it's very easy for mafia to continue pushing one read the whole time even if no one listens to them. Non-GB standards don't matter because we're talking about GB, and I don't think he pushed it hard in either case. Giving town reads for no reason is something mafia do often because it's very easy for them to do.
I am so so sick of arguing with you about this because I've done it all day and for some absurd reason you are so so certain that GB is town that you spend so much time hard defending him.
On October 27 2015 02:24 Vivax wrote: I have no clue what Chrom is doing.
I'm pushing my read, the one that everyone agreed was mafia and yet somehow wasn't even close to getting lynched today, where everyone jumped on yamato at the first opportunity with little reasoning.
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think so though. Hopefully yamato will flip mafia.
I told you my reason, I dont think scum gb wouldnt jump on the slam lynch -_- if you dont find that convincing Im not suprised, as I know whats its like to be commited to your own lynch come hell or high water, but you should at least remember it / :
Also I think Yam is scum, therefore Gb cannot be town, if you dispute this then we have diffrent perceptions of people in general (im not trying to be mean, I'm just saying this is pivotal point I base all my reads on)
They cannot both be scum, yam looks kinda scummy, Gb looks more derpy, therefore I would never want gb to get lynched first because if yam flips scum then we can clear gb 100 percent.
So yeah, I will never consider the possibility of a gb lynch until yam flips. Thats why I am hard defending him / :
Also for better or worse, I am the only one willing to discuss your case with you T_T so make do I suppose.
On October 27 2015 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah it loosk "good on you"
I look forward to the banlist discussion after this game, mah Rayn predictions
"fuck this shitty mafia site, your all trolly scrubs who dont actually want to play the game, none of you can comprehend my genius, Later all you shits."
On October 27 2015 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah it loosk "good on you"
I look forward to the banlist discussion after this game, mah Rayn predictions
"fuck this shitty mafia site, your all trolly scrubs who dont actually want to play the game, none of you can comprehend my genius, Later all you shits."
2 months later
/in
lol bro dont you mean /sitout?
enough. fuck you and read my posts.
Put some effort and make them clearer instead of treating us all like idiots that cannot comprehend the mafia miracle that is Raynpeliokoneet!
Though what I have seen has not at all swayed me / :
On October 27 2015 03:26 gumshoe wrote: Oh look, that thing I said where Rayn would use whatever Gb says to confirm his own bias because Rayns already made up his mind happened. Go figure.
nice. but GB is mafia.
Nice. But GB is not mafia
see how convincing that is? Man why do even write cases when we can just do this all day.
On October 27 2015 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe did you read my case?
something about time travel?
why would you ever quote a post and another post and make them appear in non-timelogical order? please place the posts in the right order and make a case scum.
I have made this mistake before. I almost made it several times this game. Rayn this is gonna blow your mind... did you know... that...
On October 23 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I might be wrong on GlowingBear, what Vivax said makes a lot of sense tbh. It's like GB goes "i call this thing scummy then i ask about it" when it should be another way around if he didn't know the reasoning of Vivax' reads. If he doesn't care about the answer (=scummy anyways, as he seemed to think so), why even ask?
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote: BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.
Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.
In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.
1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.
2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-
3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.
we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.
ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)
I don't like this post from gumshoe simply because there are a lot more reasons why someone would RNG, and everyone knows RNG isn't alignment indicative for BH (he has done it as both alignments). If he thinks this something that should be ignore, why putting so many thoughts on it just to say that?
I also am not liking Xatalos posts in this game. Xatalos is usually more extensive in his posts when he is town, and he usually talk about relevant stuff. Here, he wasted too much time talking about the RNG and his reads are usually... I don't know... not committed enough? I don't like it.
I'm at page 19 and gumshoe is still talking about BH. Argh.
On October 22 2015 11:08 Chromatically wrote: I'm back, I'm planning on rereading the thread and looking more into some people but here's where I'm at now:
- gumshoe feels really town, especially that last post. The way he rambles shows a town thought process in his posts. - I don't think BH has done anything alignment indicative and I don't understand why people are reading him town. - I liked when rayn said, "Chrom would be town if I hadn't been scum with him before", I think that statement usually comes from someone honestly trying to read me (i.e. town). - Hopeless' entrance felt awkward to me, did not like it. - Xatalos is town for driving discussion and the stuff he says comes from a town perspective, probably Vivax too for similar reasons.
If anyone has questions I'd love to hear them because an uncomfortable amount of people seem to think I'm mafia and I don't like it.
I like this post A LOT, especially because he pointed out the stuff on BH. I feel very comfortable to give Chromatically a day pass just for this.
On October 23 2015 04:57 Xatalos wrote: gumshoe: It's a bit funny you called me out about waffling on you when your entire last post waffling on... everyone Every read had some "but... then..." moment haha
rayn: About BH, I'm not completely sure how I came to lean as strongly town on BH as on Vivax. It might not be as deserved as the townread on Vivax (on objective merits of meta etc.), I just felt (and actually still feel) that his level of effort and activity seemed more likely to come from town. The way he engaged people and seemed to have really thought about his own ideas... It didn't feel at all like a fake push trying to gather credibility. What's more, I skimmed through all the links ritoky provided and it was a common trend that BH pushed the idea of RNG lynching as town but didn't do that as scum. I think it's a minor meta point in BH's favor, even if it's not like it's impossible to fake something like that... I just didn't get the feeling it was fake. Well, did you? For the time being, I'm happy to put BH in the pile of non-lynchables.
YEAH XATA, IT'S A BIT FUNNY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT??? Shouldn't it be alignment indicative for you?
I'm now at page 29 and I hardly see BH being suspicious of anyone. He is wasting too much time with this RNG shit. I don't like it. Although I can't actually call it scummy yet.
On October 23 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in your rng Blazinghand, you know it, everyone should know it. "Figuring out" something regarding it is a waste of time.
Well it's kind of like... Imagine player X. He has a great record of posting a lengthy introduction post as scum when he starts the game, and as town he's so far just immediately jumped in and started posting actual content. Now in a current game he immediately makes a lengthy introduction post.
Could he have done it as town to make himself harder to read? Possibly. But I'd still take into account that maybe the meta is repeating itself, no?
And if you read my posts, it's not just that about Blazinghand, but more like how he was so excited about the RNG when he's several times before said that it's pro-town. It would be harder to convey that excitement as scum when he think it's so pro-town clearly.
I wouldn't give him a town read but it's enough to make me not want to lynch him
On October 23 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote: Here's a better question imo: do you really think that BH would have a problem arguing the benefits of RNG lynch as mafia?
He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment.
Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY if the RNG hit his teammate.
Do you feel like Blazinghand is pressuring me at the moment? Do you feel like i feel pressured? Do you thin kanyone whould feel pressured if the rng landed on them?
I totally agree with this. It looks really bad.
Basically, here is where I'm at:
~ Town:
Chromatically rayn marv
~ Null with town passes:
ritoky (I thought he was town but after he got townread his play has been very lackluster) Xatalos (I hate his filter but I could see some townie posts and I'm never lynching a 8 pages filter on day1) yamato (I will never lynch yamato on day1 unless he is glaringly scummy, and I have yet to see something scummy in him)
~ Could lynch:
gumshoe (I disliked most of his posts and he even scumread Xatalos for doing exactly what he has done most of the game: wasted it talking about RNG) Blazinghand (mostly talks about RNG and I have yet to see him getting any scumreads based on his reaction test - he said he won't lynch Chromatically today and that's all that's interesting I have seen him talking about)
~ Could lynch harder:
Onegu (I can never read him and I hated that he said he would sheep me - gives me deja vu from last game where he was mafia against me - him being more invested in this game is usually a bad sign) Hopeless1der (useless - feels like his play in Avogadro's Mini Mafia) Vivax (I disagree with everyone, being confident =/= being straight forward and giving unexplained town passes, especially from a guy that I remember seeing flipping his reads constantly based on tinfoil theories. Here I see a guy with static reads that are never updated
Special ? category: Slam (although people say slam is unreadable, I usually can read him better on later days so I don't really want to think about him on day1)
On October 24 2015 04:07 GlowingBear wrote: I don't want to lynch chromatically. Especially now that Vivax is voting him.
And I've been putting thoughts on Rayn. His flip one is bad. He said it was very unlikely I was scum and that I was very level headed with my read in Vivax.
Then Vivax said something about me scum reading him before asking questions, and Rayn agreed and called me scum over the same posts he called me "very unlikely to be mafia". It doesn't make sense.
I'm voting rayn
First rayn says that he thinks GB is mafia.
Then GB says that he thinks rayn is town.
Then GB later says that he thinks rayn is mafia because rayn flipped his read on him. But that doesn't make sense at all because he said that rayn was town earlier and the read flip had already happened.
1) Change his mind
2) didnt see the post till later
3) Mighta just fucked up, so what?
4) If Gb is scum, his primary reads are Vivax, who he gets nearly lynched for, and Rayn, someone with tremendous clout in thread at the time of his scum read? WHY IS HE MAKING LIFE HARD FOR HIMSELF. How does this make sense for scum?
Inconsistencies DO NOT = SCUMINESS.
They CAN result in lynches, in the absence of better scum reads, which we are not lacking, and they can mean scum when they match up with a scum agenda. Gbs play is that of a suicidal townie, trying to push his dumbass reads and not doing it very well. Not a scummer -_-
On October 27 2015 03:33 gumshoe wrote: I have made this mistake before. I almost made it several times this game. Rayn this is gonna blow your mind... did you know... that...
FUCK UP TOWNIES
TEND
TO FUCK UP.
let's assume this is true. how do you find mafia? ever?
Find people who are making shit up to produce mislynches.
Going after people in a townie circle jerk is a terrible way to do this.
Yamato for instance, only goes after sketchy townies (like gb) and people with wagons on them (slam) He also has inconsistencies in his filter because he is making shit up to suit his mislynch of the hour( like how he abandons his gb push on a whim once the gb train dies down and jumps on vivax who he was confident was town at the start) or stealing from others (marv) to back up his votes.
Whats more if you aproach yams play from the assumption that hes scum EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE.
If you aproach gb from the perspective that hes scum NOTHING MAKES SENSE.
On October 23 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I might be wrong on GlowingBear, what Vivax said makes a lot of sense tbh. It's like GB goes "i call this thing scummy then i ask about it" when it should be another way around if he didn't know the reasoning of Vivax' reads. If he doesn't care about the answer (=scummy anyways, as he seemed to think so), why even ask?
1) this is shit and you know I can call people mafia and further investigate it.
2) it was in my filter and you could've catch up on this by yourself. Instead you just shift the responsibility to Vivax
It is a weak reason to call me mafia especially because it's a HUGE shift from this:
On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:
On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote: So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny?
I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him.
GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him.
Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious?
No, it makes him suspicious.
yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here.
Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always.
I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does.
Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here.
Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests.
YEAH WTF and then here he's saying that he thinks rayn is mafia for something that happened before he called rayn town.
If he thinks rayn is mafia so much for the switch then why was rayn so town in the list post he made?
Because I was afraid I could be OMGUSing. Then other people, especially slam, brought suspicions on him and it made sense to me.
You really should just stop talking to them, your not going to convince these people -_- theyll just twist everything you say against you. Its what tunneled townies do. The only cure is a successful mafia lynch on Yam.
On October 27 2015 03:44 GlowingBear wrote: Whatever, I'm tired of talking about this. I want Rayn gone because I'm not having fun with him in this game more than I actually think he is mafia.
I am not mafia. You decide if this is true or not.
Getting ready for classes now. Bye bye.
just ignore rayn, if your town kill yam : P you can shut him up that way.
On October 27 2015 03:44 GlowingBear wrote: Whatever, I'm tired of talking about this. I want Rayn gone because I'm not having fun with him in this game more than I actually think he is mafia.
then never call me an idiot unless you are scum you asshat.
Like, Rayn you cant outsmart me, cause your wrong and you have your head up your ass, you cant outhread me, cause I'll pretty much be here till lynch, you cant outfunny me cause your just kinda sad and annoying, itd be best if you just left and came back in time to witness my glorious victory : D
Chrom is tunneled forever, I feel I have accurately addressed his case, he disagrees but thats nature of the beast.
Rayn lead the day 1 mislynch, has been consistently wrong about everyone here, doesn't respect us as equals, and should not deserve our attention or consideration.
EPT
Every read had some "but... then..." moment haha
