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Blazinghand
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On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it.
HAH.
On October 24 2015 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote:
i mean it's quite clear from the post i quoted that i took umbrage to how he originally attacked rayn and how i viewed his followup
am i supposed to find you scummy because you are also suspicious of the same person?
what is this rubbish? The general idea behind these posts is becoming less true every day (though it once was perfectly reasonable). Marv, you know how to do the same thing and actively do so. When was our last game together? My last game with Xata? But my saying this is purely nai.
This is a non-defense, Slam, and we both know it.
On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: Show nested quote +I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game.  He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). ''
Honestly you're putting in a lot of effort so despite RNG i'm not actually lynching you today. I really WANT you to be scum but there are much bigger fishes to fry and you seem to actually be trying to figure out the game a bit? I won't be voting you or pushing the RNG thing, all joking aside. I doubt the wagon will get serious momentum without my support and I am the shenannigan king so you are safe
On October 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
I think best lynch today is BH. We all agree he has been lackluster and we have yet to see him being suspicious of a player. I don't remember him having scum reads
clearly you forgot my glorious scumread on rayn
also, you don't want to pick this fight trust me
On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality.
rayn's scumread on you had to do with your read progression on me and him. It is worth noting, though, rayn, that xat really hasn't played with me as scum, he hasn't seen my stuff first-hand. you see Xat people who have played with me before don't trust me on meta things. Any time you can say "due to meta, BH is town, he never does X as scum" if it's something that's easy to do as scum, that statement has no meaning. you've never seen my scum play, so you couldn't know, but that's how it be. a hypothetical scumread read on ritoky though is more reasonable since ritoky did play cell mini with me though
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 24 2015 01:32 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 24 2015 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it. Sure fire way to disappointment: try to lynch an enigma on day 1. With regard to your other question, there is irony; Marv missed the fact that I don't much like your posting this game either. In fact, read my pages. Answer my question so that I can answer yours more fully? Would be interesting So I assume this is the issue On October 23 2015 16:08 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? More of this hopeless? How is this helping your reads? ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness) This makes sense. Alright. As for where I am, I just made a post on Marv suspecting chroma, and am starting to think Marv may just be off on reading me specifically and trying to see his pov with less bias. So There is that. BH is someone I would not lynch. I wouldn't lynch ritoky either. I am voting Rayn short of a better alternative, was dead certain but I still recognize that Marv is better than I am at this. He may be scum, but that is based pretty heavily on whether or not Rayn is and I flipped associations are newbie textbook level bad. This issue is my primary focus, you were my secondary and I had no tertiary.
In general, Slam's buddying of me makes me pretty nervous cause at this point in time there's no particular reason to townread me
On October 24 2015 01:39 Xatalos wrote:
Tbh my current scumteam would be rayn/marv/Chromatically, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on at least one. There are too many people who have done barely anything (Onegu/Hopeless mainly I think, and several others haven't done much later in the day). It's pretty likely there could be scum among that group.
yeah i feel no reason to pay attention to you atm if that's your theory. marv obv town
On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum.
Slam's theory on his lynch time as well as his "critique" of your post are both way off. It's possible at the time (and at this point, as far as people knew, I was gonna be on Rayn like a dog on an ass-flavored biscuit) he thought he could roll into the wagon I was driving and hide.
Although I think it's more telling that ritoky had been in cell than any of this other stuff, rayn's reaosning seems solid and slam's meta case seems wrong. So I'm gonna say "slam is one hundo percent wrong on rayn, and kinda obviously wrong, and also lying about his own meta".
I like where this case is going. I'm dropping down a vote on slam tentatively until I'm caught up.
##vote: Alakaslam
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Blazinghand
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On October 24 2015 01:45 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
GB you are not Onegu.
case against me debunked.
ez game ez life. I want the town to remember the 40's of this game. So obvious that Rayn and Marv are working together in a dubious fashion and in the 50's, they disappear after I start talking about their lack of logical answering to xata's perfectly good questions. They ar using seniority to push bad reasoning, which is a senior scum tactic. There is no reason to use their seniority this way other than to push mislynches. I no longer give two shits Marv's read on chroma.
OK, but marv is like super clearly town so him working together with rayn just makes me think he has a townread on rayn. Rayn is a smart guy, if he's town I'm sure he's figured out marv is town just as I have, so I don't see any issues here.
On October 24 2015 01:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is the first thing that made me think Slam is mafia (after my initial vote -- that was really just for PoE and for pressure): Here is a post Slam makes: On October 22 2015 15:25 Alakaslam wrote:On October 22 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 13:27 Chromatically wrote:
and he used the same picture here so I think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. played 1 game with you, you spent all game calling me mafia for posting nonsense, i spent all game calling you mafia. you were mafia, i was town. so i think that's pretty much a slam dunk case. I was lampshadinf this idea. There is no case in the post chroma made. Also Rayn, you throwing your vote away is suspicious. You know I am unlynchable until Lylo, why are you parking your vote on LHF? This is however not what he thinks as town. This is what he thinks as town: On September 04 2015 06:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I will be universally town read:
All game if town
Until day 2 if scum Therefore his "defense" on himself makes sense from scum perspective, as he thinks noone can catch him if he is scum. It also makes him "being able to do whatever he wants". He later on decides i am scum for: On October 23 2015 16:14 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 16:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I seriously don't understand why I'm being scumread.
Could you please enlighten me? Because you are pushing a bad reasoned read. Because the way you defend yourself is exactly what you do as scum. Because you said you reda the thread but you actually didn't, not even close. Rayn, you are filling your "everyone else is so scum j can't decide" scum meta this is not what i am doing, however much Xatalos wants to claim so. It doesn't make it true. On October 23 2015 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 07:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 06:52 yamato77 wrote:On October 23 2015 06:47 Xatalos wrote:
So instead of what's stupid, what do you think is... scummy/towny? I liked marv's pressure of GB. I had issue with what GB posted myself and it makes me feel better about him. GB, on the other hand, hasn't posted anything outside of what I believe he could post as mafia, so I'm still quite suspicious of him. Hm... I guess I agree. Though doesn't your last sentence make him null instead of suspicious? No, it makes him suspicious. yamato i am pretty sure GlowingBear is town here. Basically he says really scummy shit that makes absolutely no sense as mafia, because he doesn't really know what to do at all (i assume). Here he has some sort of a thought process going on in his head. Basically it's highly unlike he is scum here. Same goes for Hopeless, he tried to do stuff. He is just doing it in his own way that looks scummy to basically everyone.. always. I am really really sure ritoky is mafia. I am also quite sure Slam is scum because of process of elimination. Xatalos is probably just really fucking dumb atm, but at least his explanation to BH thing makes some sense, unlike ritoky's. ritoky basically argues that Blazinghand is town based on illogical arguments, or arguments that are easily proven wrong. Like even if he believes those arguments are true the read is shit and arguing the read is good for those things is something that a townie never does. Last scum is probably Blazinghand or Onegu. I kinda think it's Onegu atm, since Blazinghand seems to be trying to do something and getting something out of his shennies at the start of the game. I don't believe gumshoe is scum, basically his reacation towards me doesn't make any sense as mafia. He is right in that i suually pressure him every game we are in and i know he acts differently when he is scum than when he is town. I just don't see him being scum here. Vivax is basically his own paranoid town self with a portion of good logical thoughts. marv is almost definitely town. you are almost definitely town. Chromatically seems to be the most level headed person in this game. It's like not totally out of question he is scum here but most likely he is just town as his posting suggests. Opinion all over the place this is not "opinion all over the place". It's a very clear post that follows my filter and my thought process 100%. There is nothing "all over the place" here. Literally. On October 23 2015 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:On October 23 2015 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town rayn, was this your turning point on ritoky? They're right when saying that ritoky posted nothing between "(rayn thinks) ritoky is town" and "POE lynch list include ritoky". Yeah as i said that was yesterday. I clearly pointed out (before going to bed) that i dislike Xatalos' & ritoky's reads on BH which i had missed earlier as i was tired. My townread on ritoky before was not based on that at all. I jsut didn't pay attention to his posts because i didn't think he was saying anything interesting. It's like how i treat players who don't say anything interesting (unless something changes)... in every game. There is absolutely nothing contradicting there, i re-evaluated his posting after i had slept and dug up further and came to conclusion he is mafia, because: 1) His read on BH is bad. 2) His reasoning for his read doesn't even make any sense.for example; he says there is 80% chance BH does this rng thing as town, so there is actually then 20% chance of BH doing that as mafia - by default. When people tell his that "BH could totally do that as mafia" it doesn't affect his read at all. In fact he just pushes the townread further with more illogical arguments, like trying to argue random lynching is as effective as not random lynching, which is a straight out lie, and doesn't even have anything to do with BH's alignment. So yeah, there is that. That's basically the only thing he has done in this game in addition to now bitching at me. See you don't do this stuff as town Now this is the most interesting part. Again i have literally done the same thing in my last two games: Battle of the Drams - where i ignored GlowingBear's and rsoultin's posting until they started saying something interesting / scummy -- that's what i have been doing lately because i don't want to argue with everyone and i can actually trust certain players' reads on them. Firefly - where i ignored GlowingBear (until yamato called him sure scum) and Cake -- for similar reason than in Drams. Now Slam even played in the earlier game and i actually did many 180's in that game, i even flip-flopped my read on himself for like two days, because i couldn't decide if he is mafia or not. The point here is Slam should know i do the stuff he claims i am mafia for as town -- and says i don't do it. Not gonna fly Slam, you're scum. I didn't say you don't have fluid reads, which is what you assert here. I said your reads here are not fluid, they are wild. Hence the compass analogy.
getting pedantic is not helping your case broseidon
On October 24 2015 01:52 gumshoe wrote:Slam feels... different, I typically see him as a derpy jokey player, but hes pretty intense this game. Breaking meta for sure, not certain what it means though. Rayn seems pretty amped up, I feel like he started the game angry and just gets angrier as the game goes on, but the rage hasnt been too focused. Rayn is perfectly capable of tunneling one person forever and coming up with all manner of bullshit on them, but he really has been all over the place, which would suggest he is actually trying to figure stuff out in his own way. Or hes just flailing, trying to get whatever lynch to go down. As for slam, def some wierd stuff cropping up here and there. in context with mah yamato case, this is a bit sketch, if Slam pushed to get gb lynched based off association with yam, and gb was town, his flip would in no way impact yamato. It's a small thing / : for sure. Mostly I dont want rayn to be scum, because then Bh will be right and well never hear the end of it. But I'm not sure slam is scum either. I dont like this lynch choice at all T_T
rayn being scum would be hilarious but if he's town he'll get shot eventually anyways probably. I'm not pushing the RNG on him today and he's not even close to someone I would want to lynch. He's trying, he's posting, he's arguing. Amazingly, just by putting in a good-faith effort to play the game and making plenty of posts qualifies anyone to come in top 50% of players
On October 24 2015 01:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:52 gumshoe wrote:Slam feels... different, I typically see him as a derpy jokey player, but hes pretty intense this game. Breaking meta for sure, not certain what it means though. Rayn seems pretty amped up, I feel like he started the game angry and just gets angrier as the game goes on, but the rage hasnt been too focused. Rayn is perfectly capable of tunneling one person forever and coming up with all manner of bullshit on them, but he really has been all over the place, which would suggest he is actually trying to figure stuff out in his own way. Or hes just flailing, trying to get whatever lynch to go down. As for slam, def some wierd stuff cropping up here and there. GB hard defense of Yamato making me wonder. in context with mah yamato case, this is a bit sketch, if Slam pushed to get gb lynched based off association with yam, and gb was town, his flip would in no way impact yamato. It's a small thing / : for sure. Mostly I dont want rayn to be scum, because then Bh will be right and well never hear the end of it. But I'm not sure slam is scum either. I dont like this lynch choice at all T_T Haha.... Be ready for BH's mention of this game next time around... I wonder where BH went to though.
historically, RNG has worked 1 out of 4 times, I think, so it worked 25% of the time, which is about what you'd expect since 25% of players are scum. I wonder if games iwth RNG in them (regardless of if it works) have a higher town WR though?
On October 24 2015 02:01 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 01:09 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam This should probally tell you that Gb is totes town. The lynch momentum is falling off him, and what does he do? "Hey that guy whose supposed to die instead of me? Maybs lets him live." Even if there scum buddies it makes no sense. I guess that makes sense... Your argument I mean. I'd happily jump on Slam if I was scum GB. What GB does makes also sense if he is.... DADAAAA scum with Slam. Maybe.... But I really, really doubt Slam is scum.
in detail?
On October 24 2015 02:10 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm gonna sheep marv/rayn. Hoping yamato/onegu show up because they said they would eventually.
##vote: Alakaslam You still think this?
actually Hopeless1 sheeping marv/rayn is the kind of thing that makes me think he might actually be town, though it's tough to tell given his effort level hue
On October 24 2015 02:17 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 02:06 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, actually Onegu's filter isn't really suspicious. Even though it's useless. I think both rayn and Chromatically would give a better chance of hitting scum, mostly rayn. uselss is scummy ) : I dont like using meta vs players who are fairly useless regularly. Meta is a tool best used vs a player who is really active because over time provided they haven't vastly changed their personality, their habits should show through (hard to avoid it with 20 plus page filters). Shit players usually are much less hard pressed to recreate thier bad play cause it's just far less work. My whole scum strat is to recreate my town self's bad habits, and I can tell you for a fact it's far bloody easier to simulate lurkshoe then actshoe. Useless=scummy one way or another. I have literally seen good players go into thier mafia qt and do the following "so I'm gonna lurk till my lynch day, then i'll show up and say I was indisposed, no one will lynch me cause that would look too bad out of maf" AND WE DIDN'T FUCKIN LYNCH HIM. Between slam and Rayn, I wanna lynch neither. Unless my vote is absolutely required I wont be voting for them / : I dont read chrom as particularly bad anymore their but I will go over his filter once more before dead line to be sure.
Then you need to WRITE a CASE and convince people. You haven't convinced _me_. Options and wagons don't just appear, you have to force them to exist using effort dude
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On October 24 2015 02:53 yamato77 wrote:
hm
slam not a terrible lynch given his insistence on being "unreadable"
I think as town he becomes indignant and actually mad if people try to lynch him, this seems more like a mafia tactic.
I don't necessarily disagree that GB looks better but I'm rather hesitant to sleep on the idea of lynching him entirely.
Rayn is just not mafia here I don't think. Unless he is mafia with marv and they both successfully pocketed me. I doubt this though, because literally everyone thinks I am town now so lol.
I don't really want to lynch Onegu but I admittedly haven't read his probably short filter either.
so who's top of the list for you if, say, we don't lynch slam?
On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.
Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.
I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.
Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
GB rolled my RnG.
Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.
Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.
I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.
Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.
Ummm.....
No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.
Damn I am good at this game.
You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.
do you actually have a scumread or case? maybe we should lynch onegu jsut for this truly awful list post, who's in? Also for that RNG thing. Wow actually yes
I'm now caught up to my first post in the "catching up to posts" series. Replies inc
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On October 24 2015 03:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 02:59 gumshoe wrote:On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.
Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.
I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.
Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
GB rolled my RnG.
Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.
Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.
I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.
Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.
Ummm.....
No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.
Damn I am good at this game.
You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.
Could you elaborate on chrom besides forgettable? It looks as if hes basically your lynch proposal / : Nope. Me forgetting you are in the game means you must be scum.
This is really bad
On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate?
how was his return okay, he just called a bunch of people null and town with no cases, ideas, or reasoning, and then said he rnged sheeping GB. How was this even a tiny bit okay????
On October 24 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hm Onegu's return seems okay... Although why is rayn 90% town? Elaborate? Sorry, why is he okay? BTW I'm pretty sure Vivax is mafia now. He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too. I can't understand what you guys find townie in him.
Lack of content there is disturbing possibly, but what are your thoughts on Onegu? his entrance was super distubring
On October 24 2015 03:08 marvellosity wrote:Meta point on Chromatically: In Detention (town) he didn't give a single townread on day 1 In Order Mafia (mafia) he did Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 07:44 Chromatically wrote:
I think round is town btw. I like how he's clearly not editing how he posts to seem more "townie" (something scum are focused on). I also like that he didn't even know who was pushing on him when I asked him about it. Scum would be more likely to notice that they're under pressure and be worried about it, because their goal is to not get lynched. In this game he has given town reads I'm looking at this because it was a couple of his posts on townreads that made me raise my eyebrows
EEENTERESTING. I am not a chromatically fan, as you know. Are there others interested in this or is he not on deck for potential shenannies today?
On October 24 2015 03:09 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 02:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Yam could just be having a slow start. It's still early int he US today, so maybe he'll pick up. All this talk about lynching yam is a distraction from the real scum, rayn BH knows this, lol wtf is with that question, BH? Do you really not understand how I play?
I always forget. We play more CS or Dota than we do Mafia together. Don't worry, you're not getting lynched today kiddo
On October 24 2015 03:13 marvellosity wrote:
tbh after reading Chrome's last mafia game and his last towngame i think he could still easily be mafia
not sure i want to pursue it today though
I'm game for shenannies
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On October 24 2015 03:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 21:46 Xatalos wrote:
Really marv? I think Slam has said a lot more interesting stuff already than he ever did last game (as scum). There he just basically hanged around, trolling, but I thought he was town because he was so "natural" in the thread.
This game... Mostly I was enlightened by him liking ritoky for his "town BH makes reads based on his RNG push DING DING" post (which really makes me feel better about ritoky too, since I forgot that post and wondered a bit about his confidence in BH being town... Now I understand). Also I liked how he brought up the weird progression from rayn regarding GB... Which basically went like certain town -> die scum, based on.. What? Missing posts from GB earlier? Then why that hard defense of him in the first place, without even reading his posts? And now the confident scumread because that's where the thread was flowing?
What I'm trying to say is, reading Slam's posts made me feel better about Slam and ritoky, and worse about rayn. Not really sure how you came to your conclusions marv...?
On the other hand, GB has felt a bit better lately. The Vivax read is a bit... But like marv said, it feels like a really weird target to pick as scum. And I liked his meta thing about me. And he's unlikely scum with rayn (no reason for scum rayn to suddenly go on the offensive this late in the day otherwise after hard defending him before). So I See you going to the mat for slam here. How does Slam convince you rayn is scum? I'm glad to see someone on board with the "GB being stubborn could be a town-tell" boat, but how does this have to do with an associative tell with rayn? Rayn is totally willing to attack teammates when appropriate as scum, and in a game with no investigative roles I'd be a lot more confident about rayn lasting through lylo as scum than I would GB. Can you explain in a bit more detail why rayn as scum wouldn't change his mind on GB as scum, if GB's push starts to falter? On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless. This post is bad and you should feel bad. On October 23 2015 22:34 Xatalos wrote:
Let's see... My current thoughts are... (not in any particular order)
Town
Vivax
Blazinghand
ritoky
Alakaslam
Nullish
GlowingBear
gumshoe
Hopeless1der
Onegu
yamato77
marvellosity
Scummy
Chromatically
raynpelikoneet
That's where I'm at... I think there's at least 1-2 scum between rayn/Chrom and then 1-2 in the null section. Why do you have marv as scum? As I noted earlier, Marv is like supremely demotivated as scum now (to the point of almost throwing games, never trying, conceding with 3 or 2 scum alive, etc). It's super obvious to me that marv is town, since he's actually trying to play the game rather than be a little whiny baby about it. Just look at his game history. It wasn't a decisive part really, but Slam brought up the whole issue of rayn's read on GB and how it shifted based on thread sentiment rather than anything changing about GB. He was first oddly certain about GB being town, then suddenly oddly certain about him being scum (and this happened because of pressure gathering on GB, not because he said new stuff). I don't really see why rayn should have dropped the GB read as scum since GB is still a lynch candidate. Do you townread Chromatically and why? I didn't have marv as scum back when I made that post. Currently I'm leaning towards the possibility. Mostly because of his odd hard defense of rayn that was based on something that didn't even happen. It makes the most sense in the event of a rayn/marv team, but we'll see if that's the case.
I do not TR chromatically. As I've chronicled, he's said a lot of things that don't make sense. I think along with Slam I'd find him and Onegu to be on my lynch list, though I strongly prefer 1Gu to Chrom based on 1gu's entry to the thread a page or so back.
On October 24 2015 03:46 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:41 Blazinghand wrote:... On October 23 2015 23:10 Chromatically wrote:So I assume no one agrees with me on Xatalos then? On October 23 2015 21:59 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, and Chromatically... Not sure yet. He's kept being pretty reasonable / constructive all game, but I don't really think there's been much (if anything?) I've agreed with him on... And that case against me is just, pretty much describing my town meta features as scummy points. The stuff he's saying about me is null at worst. And then I'm confidently scum? I've received a couple of cases like that (from scum) before. Most notably the case that called me a "drama queen" or something (LOL). That was a funny case. Anyways, it feels kind of like those cases, nitpicking null/towny things and painting them in the worst possible light. It doesn't even feel like an actual case, more like an effort to try and find *somethjng* (anything) bad about me... And failing, but calling me scum regardless. Here are the basic points I made: Xatalos was active without posting anything particularly in the beginning of the game (mafia do this because they want to appear active but have trouble posting content), waffling on votes (mafia do this because they want to keep their options open and not ignore their partners), throwing suspicion on rayn initially (mafia do this to make people look worse than they are), weird read on BH (mafia throw out townreads without thinking about why). The last two points are meh, but the first two I think are pretty clearly scum traits and certainly not "null at worst" from any perspective. The filter length defense is the only good one I've heard, but filter length is not everything. If people really don't want to lynch Xatalos, I'll obviously consolidate onto someone else. But I do think I made a strong case and I feel good about it. Uh, isn't that consistent with Xat buying into RNG, townreading me, and pushing the RNG target? The actions you've described are like, the actions of someone who has joined the glory of RNG so unless you're saying "buying into RNG is scummy" I dont' think you've got a case here buddy ... Are you trying to say that Xatalos' read on rayn is based on him following RNG?
Oh, was it not?
On October 24 2015 04:25 Chromatically wrote:
BH didn't you have a townread on me? When did you get this hard-on for lynching me?
When you started being awful
On October 24 2015 04:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:27 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now and btw this is what GB does as scum. He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him". eh, I guess I see what you're getting at here but compared to the significantly worse issues on hand (low contribution players) is GB the ideal lynch today? If this is really the case, the truth will out in the next day anyways On October 23 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
i'll probably choose between GB/Slam if rayn's meta point on Chrome holds up What's the case on Slam? Any detail on this would be good, I generally have difficulty wrapping my head around Slam. On October 23 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 23 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
i'll probably choose between GB/Slam if rayn's meta point on Chrome holds up Read the last scumgame in database, mainly Koshi's case on him D1. Also what Koshi says there holds up on GoT game aswell. Thanks for this info, but next time, a link would be so much nicer! On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.
Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter. Marv is NOT SCUM. MARV IS NOT SCUm MARV IS NOT SCUM Look, last game (student XV) Marv was scum and he was so disappointed to roll sucm again he like, conceded during NIGHT 1. MARV IS PLAYING THE GAME, THEREFORE HE IS NOT SCUM. IF Marv was scum, he would basicallyc ontinue to be a super whiny baby and not play. Marv was SUCH A WHINY BABY. UGH. He basically ruined a whole newbie game (a newbie game!) because of what a whiny baby he was about rolling scum. Do you really think he somehow shaped up and stopped being a whiny baby? No, Marv is gonna be a whiny baby until he plays a game or two as town or takes a break. This is true. I think the high amount of veteran players in this game might help in that regard, but I can understand your point....
Trust me, he'd be real mad. he's town.
On October 24 2015 04:32 marvellosity wrote:
BH - re: Slam
there was the post I quoted of his earlier, the post where he originally has a go at rayn about his vote on him. The post where he says he'll never get lynched before lylo and rayn is suspicious for going after LHF.
Well the thing is, Slam as town has always somewhat reconciled himself to being lynched. In fact, he's often asked to be lynched so he doesn't burden his team later on.
This meta may well have changed, he's become more self-confident or whatever. But I think the switch to "you are voting me therefore you are suspicious, and i am unlynchable" is too much.
After this post he kinda periodically quotes rayn and calls his posts suspicious, based on not very much.
Then when I also become suspicious of Slam, he doesn't really think why I might be suspicious of him, he just lumps me as mafia along with rayn. It's the true definition of omgus because he doesn't actually have any other reason to be suspicious of me other than the fact I am voting for him.
He makes posts like "the way marv and rayn are arrogant this game is telling" without explaining how it's telling.
I'm seeing no passion, no fire, no sparks of... anything in his play.
Is it a slam dunk case? No, it isn't. But i have reasons to townread a lot of other people so my pool is kinda smallish. Can't see why he should be town.
Hmm, yeah, I'm on board. I'd much rather lynch Onegu though.
Heh, Slam dunk. Heh.
On October 24 2015 04:33 marvellosity wrote:
lol
"slam" dunk
i'm a genius
heh.
On October 24 2015 04:49 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 04:37 Blazinghand wrote:On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
Gb- I rather not lynch him, his tunnel onto Vivax is probs wrong, but then again I havent really dug into vivax, (but I dont like how he turned around onto Gb / : the guy whose tunneling you tends to be a really easy mark for maf, they can just focus them till lynch and not contribute elsewise, which is pretty much were vivax is at, also I dont like detailed excuses*he done it twice now#),. Overall I think hes just a derpie townie who got caught up in a tunnel with a player whose more null than scummy and now feels compelled to stand his ground. Def been there.
This seems spot on On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
Xata- I dont feel hes done little enough good or plenty enough wrong to warrant a lynch today. I could elaborate but meh.
I still feel pretty good about chrom and Ritoky(less so about ritoky, but in his defense rayn is kind of a black hole that absorbs all your attention at times) so atm I wouldn't vote them today.
Until someone can magically explain why Onegu and Hopeless deserve the benefit of the doubt, my vote will probally fall on them. etween Xat, Chrom, ritoky, Onegu, and hopeless1 I see no serious statements differentiating them, other than that you want to lynch onegu and Hopeless1 from the other three without any explanation? What's the deal broseph??? You must have REASONS for this. You say "unless someone can magically explain..." but your'e the one with magical explanations here. Or magical lack of explanations. Man up and post some. On October 24 2015 00:16 gumshoe wrote:
People I need to read more into -Bh(has seemed rather useless as of late) Slam, been letting him off cause Slam, but thats not a good reason to neglect his filter T_T small as it may be. No input on the slam case!!?? Pul it together brometheius On October 24 2015 00:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, fuck this shit then, lynch me.
After I flip, go against Marv because I can't possibly see how can't he see me as town + not willing to lynch Onegu when Onegu has done NOTHING but sheeping me onto the same read he scum reads me for.
I'm voting Marv but I know all you pussies won't because he is Marv. And it seems again that he isn't so good as you say. Yeah, see my meta read on MArv. From the XV scum QT (this game is over so the QT is ok to link) http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/zRTyp8RMU5dNs: "i was never going to try this game very much if i rolled mafia anyway " "it kinda takes me time to recharge my scum batteries, and i've only played 48h of town since i tried pretty hard as mafia last. batteries low. i will play though. just poorly." "*giggles* we're gonna lose so hilariously hard, it'll be great." Then, night 1: "##concede nothing left for me here" and he had a crappy like 2 page filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494452-student-mafia-xv?user=marvellosity&view=allthe difference is palpable. In any case, I'm beating a dead horse here so I'll leave it aloen but anyone voting marv is not paying attention to the obvious evidence here. xat was a scum read of mine early on, but his sheer level of activity detterd me from pursuing so didnt waste mah time there. Onegu and hopeless had >2 page filters and most of thier commentary was fairly banal jokey and worthless. Felt this went without saying. Chrom and ritoky were entangled together, I found ritoky townie from his initital pounce on to me (though my opinion has changed since) chrom also just came off over time as really active and sincere so I revoked mah earlier scum read on him. I generally tend to not go too much into mah town reads cause they dont interest me, and there wasnt much to say on onegu and hopeless, the mix made for a shallow one. As for Slam, gonna be honest, me finding him townie is more an asociation thing. Basically people I dont like are calling him out for very little reason. That and his death match with Rayn feels dumb and townie.
Can you go in depth about the association? Also, if you actually READ Onegu's filter you'll find there's nothing of value there, 2 pages o no.
On October 24 2015 05:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games. do you think BH is scum? Not really, why? if you're thinking unflipped associations; i would assume you have considered: BH pushes his RNG lynch really hard when he is town doing it -> he RNG'd rayn -> rayn is in legitimate threat of being lynched -> BH stops pushing for rayn, says sad about TR him -> pushes on slam. i would feel like you would be sketched out a bit by BH's progression if you think rayn is so firmly mafia. certainly way more than marv's progression. Hm... I guess that's not impossible. I think it was a bit odd how BH unvoted rayn just when rayn became the leading wagon. There are still reasons to townread BH though.
rayn has been the leading wagon all game, so literally any time I unvote him it would be when he was the leading wagon. Is it possible that maybe... maybe I jsut think he's not the best lynch today? Like do you really think he's a better lynch than 1gu? Really?
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On October 24 2015 05:05 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, finished up with the day post in Newbie mafia, so this game has my full attention for the next hour. I'm almost caught up, just pushing through the 50s now. right now I've got my eyes set on Chrom and Gumshoe, though I'll be paying attention to the Slam case as I catch up. Let me know if you have any requests for reads now, since we're getting close to deadline and I don't have much time Whatever happened with rayn? You were still talking about the RNG on him a while ago and him being otherwise scummy, but now he's not an option anymore?
If he's town he'll probably be shot (After marv) anyways. I'm not worried. RNG is just a tool used to generate discussion, though I'll never admit it. And it worked fine for what it was. Let's focus on actually catching scum.
On October 24 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:well i am not scum BH so there is that. That makes your rng being right 0% of the time, 100% of the time.
HISTORICALLY IT HAS WORKED AT LEAST ONCE OK
On October 24 2015 05:23 Xatalos wrote:
Oh, there's Onegu too I guess.
are you game for shenannies?
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On October 24 2015 05:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2015 05:27 Xatalos wrote:
It looks like the lynch is set... Well, it doesn't make much sense for Slam to flip scum with this vote progression, and it makes all the more sense for rayn to be scum (with Slam being the scum counter-wagon).
marv, how is competence decided by the games which you have played? That's the same as calling you incompetent because you didn't play in the VS games. do you think BH is scum? Not really, why? if you're thinking unflipped associations; i would assume you have considered: BH pushes his RNG lynch really hard when he is town doing it -> he RNG'd rayn -> rayn is in legitimate threat of being lynched -> BH stops pushing for rayn, says sad about TR him -> pushes on slam. i would feel like you would be sketched out a bit by BH's progression if you think rayn is so firmly mafia. certainly way more than marv's progression. i'm not quite sure what you're saying but i think i like it it looks non-routine
Come on, give me a break. I'm trying to win the damned game. You can't say "RNG Meta can't prove BH town cause he'd imitate it as scum" then say "well, he's not doing the exact same thing so he's scum" (and let's be clear: at least once or twice I have backed off my RNG target and voted someone else; this is nothing new). So not only are you inconsistent, you're inconsitent based on a WRONG premise. Yes, I often push my RNG target into the ground, but not always! I can be reasonable, you know!
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Blazinghand
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On October 24 2015 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
BH's RNG did work once
ironically, his RNG has landed on town far more than the statistical probability
clearly that means it's due to happen now hueheue
ok so he's down for Onegu? Onegu? obviously scum? entered the thread scummy, did scummy things, came back in a few hours ago pretending to have read but clearly didn't read anything or have any cases or votes, and when pressured, flopped around like scum? Pretends to be sheeping GB, bad RNG?
Vote Onegu yes?
##unvote
##vote Onegu
I'll vote slam if necessary to save rayn, but come on, we all WANT to vote Onegu and are just scared to do so. Give it a try. Put a vote on Onegu. just the tip. just to see how it feels.
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Blazinghand
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On October 24 2015 05:44 marvellosity wrote:
BH you totally missed the entire point of that post.
ritoky is attacking xatalos, not you.
oh did I herp the derp
I was getting really mad, hahaha. like REALLY mad. the one thing I hate more than anything is people applying incorrect meta to me
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Blazinghand
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On October 24 2015 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no BH, no.
yes, BH, yes.
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Blazinghand
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On October 24 2015 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you should claim.
I am the Cop and I have 12 red checks on 1gu
Seriously though, don't you think 1gu is more likelyt o flip scum than slam? Let's mve some votes on him and just see how things look.
Come on MArv you know you WANT to lynch him. Just move the vote on, you can move it back if you don't like it
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 24 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote:
i am committed to my course.
##unvote
##vote: onegu
Thanks! Be on hand to move back to slam if there's no 1gu critical mass
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 24 2015 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
[Seriously though, don't you think 1gu is more likelyt o flip scum than slam? Let's mve some votes on him and just see how things look.
no i dont
1. look at this filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Onegu&view=all
2. even after this post?
On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.
Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.
I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.
Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
GB rolled my RnG.
Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.
Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.
I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.
Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.
Ummm.....
No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.
Damn I am good at this game.
You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.
this was his "catching up" post that should contain most of his thoughts on D1 btw
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Blazinghand
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honestly if it's just me, vivax, marv, rayn, and ritoky, and marv and rayn don't want to move it means shenannies aren't happening. is anyone ELSE here? Please post if you are here and willing to listen to the possibility of lynchon 1gu
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 24 2015 05:53 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly I don't have a problem with that list post from Onegu.
even though there are no cases or explanations, and his filter is otehrwise pretty much devoid of them, and he's explicitly sheeping GB with no explanation?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Ok I'm not taking any risks here.
##unvote
##vote: alakaslam
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Blazinghand
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IM DOWN FOR CHROME SHENANNIES WHO ELSE IS DOWN
##CHROMESHENANNIES
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Blazinghand
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honestly though, not as down as I am for onegu shenannies
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Blazinghand
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