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Doesn't matter though. Kill Hopeless1der. ##vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On November 03 2015 07:01 Chromatically wrote: BH are you bamswoozling us all here if bamswoozling is good, then clearly yes. If it's bad then deffo no | ||
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So who wants to chat about vivax? | ||
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##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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gg | ||
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This'll be really disappointing if Hopeless is somehow town because I think there's literally no way we can avoid lynching him here. | ||
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On November 03 2015 07:05 Chromatically wrote: I guess it makes sense that the mafia either thought that ritoky wouldn't ever get lynched (makes sense given the reactions in the thread to Vivax's point) or some WIFOM that Vivax wouldn't push ritoky right before he nk'd him and stuff. ##Vote: Hopeless1der Hmm, I hadn't approached it from that second perspective. I don't think it's a good idea to dig into that necessarily. I think in general though whether vivax is scum OR town, it's was fairly clear ritoky was unlynchable. Gumshoe and I both look good for lynching 1G over GB. Ritoky, though, he jumped over at the last minute and made a difference; he was pretty much unlynchable. Vivax pushing on him, hard, and failing to convince ANYONE showed that pretty much no matter what Ritoky wouldn't get lynched. If Vivax is scum, he probably realized he didn't have a good way of breaking off the attack, but killing Ritoky is a good idea because Ritoky is unlynchable anyways. If Vivax is town, similar logic applies; whoever is scum with H1 probably did some thinking and decided that Ritoky wasn't lynchable and needed to be shot. "Would scum Vivax shoot the guy he's pushing, to make himself look better, because it's not something scum would do?" is probably the classic example of WIFOM and shouldn't be thought about TOO much except to make sure that it really is WIFOM. So Chrom, what do you think of my toneread of Vivax? Take a look at his posts right after the Onegu flip, and how he's angry rather than pleased. Do you agree? | ||
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On November 03 2015 07:10 Chromatically wrote: Hmm I guess now that I don't have to think about ritoky I can take the extra time to consider BH/gumshoe again? That seems so ridiculous to me though. This'll be really disappointing if Hopeless is somehow town because I think there's literally no way we can avoid lynching him here. I'm like, pretty sure H1 is mafia. I know people might feel a bit spoked after GB flipped town but we were all sure that H1 was mafia and had scumreads of various intensity on him independent of GB's alignment for the past couple of days. I think we just need to hang together and not freak out about this. | ||
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Day 1 Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, gumshoe, Blazinghandraynpelikoneet (3): Alakaslam, GlowingBear, Onegu Onegu (2): ritoky, Xatalos Day 2 yamato77 (4): gumshoe, Xatalos, Hopeless1der, Vivax, GlowingBear (3): Chromatically, ritoky, Blazinghand raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneet Hopeless1der (1): Onegu Day 3 Onegu (5): Xatalos, Blazinghand, GlowingBear, gumshoe, ritokyGlowingBear (4): Vivax, Chromatically, Hopeless1der, Onegu Day 4 GlowingBear (6): Blazinghand, Hopeless1der, Vivax, Chromatically, gumshoe, ritokyVivax (1): GlowingBear Updated for reference | ||
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On November 03 2015 07:12 Blazinghand wrote: Hmm, I hadn't approached it from that second perspective. I don't think it's a good idea to dig into that necessarily. I think in general though whether vivax is scum OR town, it's was fairly clear ritoky was unlynchable. Gumshoe and I both look good for lynching 1G over GB. Ritoky, though, he jumped over at the last minute and made a difference; he was pretty much unlynchable. Vivax pushing on him, hard, and failing to convince ANYONE showed that pretty much no matter what Ritoky wouldn't get lynched. If Vivax is scum, he probably realized he didn't have a good way of breaking off the attack, but killing Ritoky is a good idea because Ritoky is unlynchable anyways. If Vivax is town, similar logic applies; whoever is scum with H1 probably did some thinking and decided that Ritoky wasn't lynchable and needed to be shot. "Would scum Vivax shoot the guy he's pushing, to make himself look better, because it's not something scum would do?" is probably the classic example of WIFOM and shouldn't be thought about TOO much except to make sure that it really is WIFOM. So Chrom, what do you think of my toneread of Vivax? Take a look at his posts right after the Onegu flip, and how he's angry rather than pleased. Do you agree? I mean, I would have said that ritoky was the most lynchable out of the three of you for the kind of stuff I talk about in that big post. I don't see you/gumshoe pushing Onegu/Hopeless for days and not telling Hopeless to get in on that action, whereas I thought it was possible that ritoky just bussed on impulse at the last second. But I agree that it's probably not too useful to overanalyze it. I'm not sure what I think of it. I don't feel like mafia Vivax would have been "angry" at you for lynching mafia (as mafia, I don't really feel angry at townies for lynching my partners), but I could see him as mafia getting salty about Onegu getting barely lynched over GB for what he thinks are not good reasons (mafia get mad about being lynched for bad reasons). Maybe he was just annoyed at you for not being on his lynch for bad reasons though. I'm not convinced that it's too alignment-indicative. Wouldn't mafia be careful to not show their emotions in the thread if they were mad after a mafia lynch? The stranger part about it, I think, is that it seems like Vivax really wanted GB over Onegu but didn't really have an opinion on Onegu. | ||
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On November 03 2015 07:25 Chromatically wrote: I mean, I would have said that ritoky was the most lynchable out of the three of you for the kind of stuff I talk about in that big post. I don't see you/gumshoe pushing Onegu/Hopeless for days and not telling Hopeless to get in on that action, whereas I thought it was possible that ritoky just bussed on impulse at the last second. But I agree that it's probably not too useful to overanalyze it. I'm not sure what I think of it. I don't feel like mafia Vivax would have been "angry" at you for lynching mafia (as mafia, I don't really feel angry at townies for lynching my partners), but I could see him as mafia getting salty about Onegu getting barely lynched over GB for what he thinks are not good reasons (mafia get mad about being lynched for bad reasons). Maybe he was just annoyed at you for not being on his lynch for bad reasons though. I'm not convinced that it's too alignment-indicative. Wouldn't mafia be careful to not show their emotions in the thread if they were mad after a mafia lynch? The stranger part about it, I think, is that it seems like Vivax really wanted GB over Onegu but didn't really have an opinion on Onegu. YEah I'm not saying Vivax being mad AT ME was the issue, but more like, when Onegu flipped I remember being really relieved and happy Vivax mostly seemed... upset. And if he were mafia there, it would make sense for him to be upset. At the time, I didn't realize this, since I Thoguht GB was scum; but now that we know GB is town, we know that mafia got REALLY CLOSE to getting 3 town lynches in a row there and sending us to a 3-scum LYLO. We'd be demoralized an dmight give up on the plan after a GB town flip; it's the kind of thing that would be a coup de grace for scum. Instead, we BARELY managed to eek out an Onegu lynch. I feel like Scum would be frustrated by that, especially with that last-minute, zero explanation swap from his game-long scumread, GB, by Ritoky. That basically came out of left field. At the very least, Vivax should have been moderately happy after that flip. I was ecstatic. GB was shitting himself in joy. Vivax? He was grouchy. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:01 Vivax wrote: You're hilarious BH On October 30 2015 07:03 Vivax wrote: BH screw you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Vivax&page=11 It's actually not as strong as I thought, looking at it-- read through page 12. Let me know what you think. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:03 Vivax wrote: BH screw you | ||
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