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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:50 GMT
#3641
On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.


you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.



yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.


I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P

I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today)

also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die.



I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
November 01 2015 22:50 GMT
#3642
oh im a ghost now, neat.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
November 01 2015 22:52 GMT
#3643
On November 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.


you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.



yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.


I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P

I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today)

also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die.



I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus.


there ya go : D doubt, you has it, scum whoever they are will exploit it, I dont envy you, you think you have a grip on it now but I can already see the future, you'll lock your vote in the first hour, and then spending the next 48 hours wondering if your right / : gonna be a fun day.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:52 GMT
#3644
also you should go talk to kitaman about doing an impersonation of me. guy did it pretty well in the impersonation game. i laughed and called it; but then no1 listened and sadness was had.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
November 01 2015 22:53 GMT
#3645
On November 02 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:
also you should go talk to kitaman about doing an impersonation of me. guy did it pretty well in the impersonation game. i laughed and called it; but then no1 listened and sadness was had.


lols
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:54 GMT
#3646
On November 02 2015 07:52 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.


you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.



yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.


I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P

I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today)

also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die.



I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus.


there ya go : D doubt, you has it, scum whoever they are will exploit it, I dont envy you, you think you have a grip on it now but I can already see the future, you'll lock your vote in the first hour, and then spending the next 48 hours wondering if your right / : gonna be a fun day.


You shouldn't think in absolutes unless mechanics dictate so, like with me. Regardless I can think of only 1 scenario where I vote for BH this game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 01 2015 22:57 GMT
#3647
i did the sickest BH impression for like 72 hours that game too, couldn't handle holding it up all game. BH is just too massive for me to handle.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
November 01 2015 23:01 GMT
#3648
On November 02 2015 07:54 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 07:52 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:
On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town

still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.

chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip

h1 and viv still make bottom of list.

i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.


scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P


can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.


you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.



yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.


I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P

I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today)

also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die.



I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus.


there ya go : D doubt, you has it, scum whoever they are will exploit it, I dont envy you, you think you have a grip on it now but I can already see the future, you'll lock your vote in the first hour, and then spending the next 48 hours wondering if your right / : gonna be a fun day.


You shouldn't think in absolutes unless mechanics dictate so, like with me. Regardless I can think of only 1 scenario where I vote for BH this game.


meh, truly townie play is quite hard to play, even expert scum (holy flare, palmer) look pretty lackluster in retrospect, and they are pretty much the best we have to look at, but this is a pretty solid game for bh so yeah, I'm not gonna even consider throwing the game over the ultimate tinfoil.

Also the thing about Bh that Bh left out, all the things he does (pretend to be moving) are to excuse sloppy play, basically hell do anything to explain why hes scummy, but hes not scummy this game so his meta means nothing. Hes just playing a pretty objectively reasonable game.

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 01 2015 23:21 GMT
#3649
I feel like we're getting to the point of the game where it's actually important to not post reads during the night so that mafia can't use them to direct their NK.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 02 2015 00:10 GMT
#3650
On November 02 2015 07:57 ritoky wrote:
i did the sickest BH impression for like 72 hours that game too, couldn't handle holding it up all game. BH is just too massive for me to handle.


PHRASING
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
November 02 2015 00:10 GMT
#3651
On November 02 2015 08:21 Chromatically wrote:
I feel like we're getting to the point of the game where it's actually important to not post reads during the night so that mafia can't use them to direct their NK.


it might make most sense to post them all right b4 EoN
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 02 2015 03:29 GMT
#3652
On November 02 2015 09:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 08:21 Chromatically wrote:
I feel like we're getting to the point of the game where it's actually important to not post reads during the night so that mafia can't use them to direct their NK.


it might make most sense to post them all right b4 EoN

Yep, that's what I'm planning on doing.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 02 2015 06:00 GMT
#3653
Actually, I think it's important that everyone posts something at deadline tonight, so that everyone says where their reads are before they have a chance to see everyone else's.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
November 02 2015 09:45 GMT
#3654
It maddens me that 1 mafia was there all along at the start of D1 right under my nose, but not gonna find out who that is for sure without rereading dis shit since the start.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
November 02 2015 14:36 GMT
#3655
I'm like 100 % on ritoky being mafia reading a bit of what rayn said on D1 and page 11 of his filter.
Also that means Chroma was town hero with his D1 reads.

I'll talk about it with people who are open to the idea.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
November 02 2015 16:05 GMT
#3656
On November 02 2015 23:36 Vivax wrote:
I'm like 100 % on ritoky being mafia reading a bit of what rayn said on D1 and page 11 of his filter.
Also that means Chroma was town hero with his D1 reads.

I'll talk about it with people who are open to the idea.




translation of bolded:" I will talk about it with anyone dumb enough to buy what I am selling"

Ritoky's day 1 vote on onegu could have resulted in his scum lynch instead, why even tempt fate? That and he could have brought us into lylo 1 day sooner, oh and not to mention any case that begins with

"well you see rayn had this awesome read!"

is generally a bad sign considering rayn is insane / : (top two scum reads of xata and gb, though to be fair everyone was pretty mads at Gb.)

Tone wise hes also pretty town, dont know many scum who would flaunt "confirmed town" statues in such a way -_- basically ritokys antics are backed up by the conviction that if town lynches him, they fucked up, not him. It's pretty hard to fake that kind of passion / :

Also what happened? I thought we had a thing D : I still think I'm your best bet!

Dont give up on me vivax D : I haven't given up on you! But yeah town, I would sooner you lynch me than ritoky because at least I led a mislynched, Ritoky almost nailed his buddy day 1 for no reason, and hammered him of his own volition day 3 -_- he be totes totes town.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
November 02 2015 16:59 GMT
#3657
Ritoky is obviously town god cause he decides to kill the ONE mafia he wasn't scumreading on D3, and then instead of scumhunting he spams over and over how confirmed he is.

Read page 11 and previously to see that.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
November 02 2015 17:04 GMT
#3658
On November 03 2015 01:59 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky is obviously town god cause he decides to kill the ONE mafia he wasn't scumreading on D3, and then instead of scumhunting he spams over and over how confirmed he is.

Read page 11 and previously to see that.


he did not have to kill his buddy, he was under no suspicion whatsoever and not lynching onegu would have really fucked with towns head (it would mean ritoky and chrom were on the wrong wagon, would have been easy to hide among the freaks)

basically there was an optimal play, Ritoky isnt the kind of person who would resist a clear gain for the sake of super duper wifom armor.

It's really hard to make the choice to betray your ally for no reason -_- clearly onegu wanted to keep playing, slaying him like that would be a total dick move and I don't buy Ritoky would do that.

Question, do you think hopeless is scum now?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
November 02 2015 17:14 GMT
#3659
we dont just jump from one lynch to the next vivax, humans bieng trudge through time, it is exceptionally difficult to care beyond the present, killing a teammate in exchange for town cred is like trading 10000 dollars for a 15000 dollar iou with no contract -_- not to mention the price is shanking your own ally.

also this.

Ritoky could also easily be mafia as a lurker, plus his thing following his towniest read and that read was BH.


onegu was pushing ritoky constantly -_- seems dumb to spend the entire game bussing both your teamates

also ritoky is the only real scum read hopeless ever pursued.


ritoky had an early "textbook" mafia read of gumshoe (as per chromatically), gumshoe posted more, I wanted to know where ritoky's read ended up because he hadnt updated it and needed to be prompted a couple times. In general, my reads for those three are gumshoe>chromatically>ritoky (in order of townyness)


meh, they put actual effort into these pushes (as opposed to onegu's lack luster hopeless tunnel)

do not buy.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
November 02 2015 17:23 GMT
#3660
Yeah I'll have to go with hopeless being mafia with him.

I think you will realize who's mafia instead of me at the end of this game after looking at the night actions gum.
Provided you manage to get over your stubbornness.
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