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On October 30 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:16 Vivax wrote:
Somehow I'm starting to believe GB is really going nuts over being scumread.
In a townie way.
Or maybe I'm falling for his angry puppy eyes. they make you swoon in all the right places don't they?
No it makes me imagine Bambi wielding a machete
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On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure.
MY
GOD
XATALOS.
MY GOD.
Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all?
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On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all?
no, he's not big on reading what others write.
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It's so frustrating when you've caught obvious scum and people can't use their brains...
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On October 30 2015 07:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this. i just did this and lynched mafia. #rekt No ritoky. You wanted to shenannie. And that's what you did. You didn't hard defend Onegu at any point. It's a completely different case and you would realise it IF YOU FUCKING READ WHAT I'VE WROTE MY GOD!!!!
gb, please calm down, you know your town, I pretty much know your town, but your not gonna convince people by yelling / : lets just chill mkay? We gave you another 2 days probs (scum wont shoot you unless they wanna pull another rayn, didnt work out well the first time so mah guess is your here to stay)
Gb, I actually could have mislynched you yesterday, bh too, honestly any one of us on the onegu train could have and nobody would even blink, if were scum, why did we go to great lengths to kill our buddy instead?
for da cred might work for bullfighters, but not us / :
so whats more likely, bh and I spared you, or hopeless (please read mah hopeless argument btw) and (come close) + Show Spoiler + are the two scummers who just desperately tried to save their buddy?
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On October 30 2015 07:21 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all? no, he's not big on reading what others write.
low blow XD
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On October 30 2015 07:22 GlowingBear wrote:
It's so frustrating when you've caught obvious scum and people can't use their brains...
I'll consult the tinfoil on gumshoe these days.
But given the reads from NKd dudes it's really unlikely.
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On October 30 2015 06:50 Vivax wrote:
Xata get your vote on GB PLEASE
I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / :
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gumshoe i think you're missing it a bit.
he's saying something like you hard defend him, then after being beat on by me and chrom you vote on someone you've been hard town defending. then you swap back.
now while initially this looks like an innocuous moment of weakness it actually was highly significant, because in the tiebreaker scenario you had put GB ahead of 1gu. essentially meaning you damned GB to death without getting your hands dirty in the lynch and for a reason he feels is unjustified at best and scummy at worst.
that said you just talked me into lynching scum, so i am somewhat disinclined to listen to cases on you while my raging hard boner is still around.
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On October 30 2015 07:22 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:15 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 ritoky wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this. i just did this and lynched mafia. #rekt No ritoky. You wanted to shenannie. And that's what you did. You didn't hard defend Onegu at any point. It's a completely different case and you would realise it IF YOU FUCKING READ WHAT I'VE WROTE MY GOD!!!! gb, please calm down, you know your town, I pretty much know your town, but your not gonna convince people by yelling / : lets just chill mkay? We gave you another 2 days probs (scum wont shoot you unless they wanna pull another rayn, didnt work out well the first time so mah guess is your here to stay) Gb, I actually could have mislynched you yesterday, bh too, honestly any one of us on the onegu train could have and nobody would even blink, if were scum, why did we go to great lengths to kill our buddy instead?
for might work for bullfighters, but not us / : so whats more likely, bh and I spared you, or hopeless (please read mah hopeless argument btw) and (come close) + Show Spoiler + are the two scummers who just desperately tried to save their buddy?
Ok I'll calm down
I'm gonna get back to the thread later.
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On October 30 2015 07:24 gumshoe wrote:I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / :
Cause I pursue the lynch I've wanted since D1?
The guy rayn and marv were scumreading?
Who brags about "catching" the only guy he could ever manage to lynch in his position?
kiddo indeed
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On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote Gb
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you, On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind. So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless? scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op. You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point. Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks. On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
your move scummers : D On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his. Quotes for what I've wrote. On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BHGumshoe you guys know why. BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it: + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared. haha what?? are you serious gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum Did you read what I've brought on him? not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought. yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie. Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!! Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky???? Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)? Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway?? I will counter-question you: Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ? Simply as this. Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure. MY GOD XATALOS. MY GOD. Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all?
Didn't really bother reading it yet when gumshoe is so obviously town this game...
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On October 30 2015 07:24 gumshoe wrote:I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / :
Lol :D Indeed I did think for a bit that if GB is town, then that's pretty bad... But that's only if GB is town.
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Blazinghand
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Day 1 Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, gumshoe, Blazinghand raynpelikoneet (3): Alakaslam, GlowingBear, OneguOnegu (2): ritoky, Xatalos
Day 2 yamato77 (4): gumshoe, Xatalos, Hopeless1der, Vivax, GlowingBear (3): Chromatically, ritoky, Blazinghand raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneetHopeless1der (1): Onegu
Day 3 Onegu (5): Xatalos, Blazinghand, GlowingBear, gumshoe, ritoky GlowingBear (4): Vivax, Chromatically, Hopeless1der, Onegu
So, just taking a look at what we have here, I think we can reasonably say that the GB/H1/1G team remains reasonable.
During Day 1, there were three wagons, and now we know the alignments of all three: Slam and rayn were town, Onegu was scum. Slam was the main wagon, with rayn and Onegu as secondary wagons. There were lots of town players on slam, and we see Onegu voting rayn. Noteworthy: ritoky, Xat, and GB are all off the slam wagon and still alive. Hopeless1 is on the slam wagon. I’m pretty sure scum didn’t have to actually DO anything D1. Our main lynch targets were rayn, the RNG targe,t and Slam, who was lynched on meta. Onegu was more of a sidestory and my shenannies never got off the ground.
I think scum could be anywhere in that day 1 stuff. They didn’t have to do shit.
Day 2, we wee two major wagons: Yam and GB. At the end of the day, Yam was set up to be (and would have been) modkilled. I tried to shenannie onto GB, H1, or 1G. Some peopel were willing to follow. 1G had his vote parked on H1. GB had his vote parked on rayn (who knows why?) so the relevant people here for lynching GB, or heck, anyone else, would be Gum, Xat, H1, and Vivax. In the “GB is scum with H1” theory, 1G made an irrelevant vote and H1 voted to keep Yam on the chopping block. This seems pretty flakey— GB could have easily died, after all— but doesn’t contradicto the thoery.
In the event that GB is actually town on this day, it’s not clear to me why H1 or 1G doesn’t shennanny onto GB. 1G could at least tie it up, and H1 (or, in fact, any of Gum, Xat, and vivax) could effortlessly secure a double townie lynch. That would have put us in MYLO today.
So, basically this tells us that either GB is scum, or scum had already committed a couple votes on GB and couldn’t push through the double-townie lynch even if they wanted to.
The following players were capable of cause a double-lynch:
Gum
Xat
H1
vivax
Onegu might have been able to do it, but ONLY if rayn unvoted xat and voted GB, or if one of the yam votes unvoted.
So:
GB is scum so scum didn’t hammer him for 2x lynch; or NO SCUM in Gumshoe/Xat/H1/Vivax (therefore scum COULD NOT hammer him); OR scum was uncoordinated at the end of D2 (for example, H1 could have been scum but unable to hammer due to being too AFK)
Basically one of the following is probably true:
Option A: GlowingBear is Scum, so scum didn’t hammer him.
Option B: GB is town, therefore last 2 scum are outside gum/xat/H1/Vivax (in this case, that would mean chrom/ritok/bh from an agnostic perspective)
Option C: GB is town, but there is at least 1 scum inside gum/xat/H1/Vivax. That scum was afk at deadline or was very confident / didn’t care about bagging a free mislynch, or thought hosts would not follow through on activity modkills.
If GB was town, I’m pretty sure scum would have gone for the double lynch. It’s not like Yam was actually playing the game; if you’re scum and GB is town, there’s no reason to force through a Yam lynch over a GB lynch, especially since GB is actually trying.
Anyone see any flaws in that?
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Blazinghand
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Actually if one of the scum is H1, he was pretty inactive, I think around the deadline also. I'll have to go back and take a look.
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How about comparing the D2/D3 voting behaviours? Any interesting stuff when they're compared to each other with the assumptions of GB being town/scum?
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On October 30 2015 07:26 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe i think you're missing it a bit.
he's saying something like you hard defend him, then after being beat on by me and chrom you vote on someone you've been hard town defending. then you swap back.
now while initially this looks like an innocuous moment of weakness it actually was highly significant, because in the tiebreaker scenario you had put GB ahead of 1gu. essentially meaning you damned GB to death without getting your hands dirty in the lynch and for a reason he feels is unjustified at best and scummy at worst.
that said you just talked me into lynching scum, so i am somewhat disinclined to listen to cases on you while my raging hard boner is still around.
Your totally right / : what I displayed yesterday regarding the lynch was total apathy, which is a trait scum show particularly when the lynch is between two townies (example bieng onegu wasting his lynch day 2, because it was probably a win win for scum)
The key difference is I was in the opposite position, I felt no matter who died yesterday, it would be good for town. Gb, who was the townier of the two from my view, was dividing town and I figured his death would be healthy for the circus, and I might have even been wrong about his alignment like I was about yamato / : so there was that to hope for as well. Whereas onegu was almost for sure scum, but we would probally get around lynching eventually.
Assuming we would get around to killing onegu at some point, it would be better to lynch gb now regardless his alignment to unify town as soon as possible.
I only really started to care when the slightest potential arose that we might never lynch onegu (that would be you : P) and I felt it was now or never seeing as someone against onegu would probably die after the lynch on gb /  who had and still has a good shot at bieng town)
So in effect, I basically was showcasing several scum traits day 3,( apathy, coldness and calculation). Gb is probably honing in on those / : which I cannot blame him for as they are in fact scum traits, its just in this case mah scuminess is to the benefit of town : P so dont hold it against me.
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Well tbh I think ritoky is cleared with Onegu's flip UNLESS he's been very set on bussing Onegu from the start... I mean, he didn't really hesitate much on either D1 or D3 to jump on Onegu.... A bit hard to believe the ritoky/Onegu team..
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Blazinghand
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On October 30 2015 07:40 Xatalos wrote:
How about comparing the D2/D3 voting behaviours? Any interesting stuff when they're compared to each other with the assumptions of GB being town/scum?
Ritoky and I voted GB D2 and 1G D3. Ritoky did so on emtion, I did so on reason (I was shennannying onto GB; I would have prefered to lynch 1G, as I said, and got 1G lynched today)
H1 and Vivax voted Yam D2 but swapped to GB D3. I'll have to read their reasoning about lynching GB over 1G, while lynching Yam over GB
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