On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote: In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH
Gumshoe you guys know why.
BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.
i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.
No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.
haha what?? are you serious
gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum
Did you read what I've brought on him?
not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.
yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game
PROMISE ME YOU WILL READ MY POSTS I THINK ABOUT IT IF YOU'RE TOWN
That doesn't even make sense, they both just worked hard to save your ass.
I COULD be wrong on BH, but I'm never wrong on gumshoe.
LOL at GB's celebration, I don't think posting a theoretical scumteam that no one believes is a reason to celebrate when people are going to lynch you next.
On October 30 2015 07:03 Chromatically wrote: LOL at GB's celebration, I don't think posting a theoretical scumteam that no one believes is a reason to celebrate when people are going to lynch you next.
yeah gb is probs town. also were lynching hopeless tommorow.
On October 30 2015 05:39 ritoky wrote: does shennanies onto hopeless and him flipping mafia say anything with relative certainty about GB's alignment? hrm...
See this is where you run into issues / : why is hopeless not voting 1gu? 1gu is pushing the shit out of hopeless, if I was hopeless i would vote him in a heartbeat.
Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself.
what a flop / : also read this shit right here is a straight up contradiction.
Onegu still feels like he's "testing" me so I'm going to let him be for the time being but I really want to OMGUS him
Hopeless's original reason for town reading onegu was that onegu was only "testing him" if that was ever the case the testing phase has long since passed, Onegu is straight up trying to murder hopeless!
That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons...
Can we please vote hopeless?
So question, why is hopeless town reading onegu right this instant? I honestly dont have the answer
Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself
All we have atm is that onegu isnt as scummy as gb... so what? Is he town reading onegu? WHY?! He said townreading onegu cause hes just teasing, but thats a godamm lie! lets be generous and say he consideres gb and onegu his top two scum reads, who would you rather lynch? The dude who constantly calling for your head? or the guy whose just upset hes bieng grouped with you, a fella whose filter is basically non existent mid day 2 ?
The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy.
On October 30 2015 07:05 gumshoe wrote: The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy.
so yeah, third scum is still out there boys.
I'm not sure if that's a good enough reason to clear GB since it was uncertain which one of them was getting lynched though..
I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: ~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?
scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote: Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :
If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.
So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?
scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.
You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.
Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.
On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote: ##unvote
your move scummers : D
On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote: ##Vote gb
I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.
Quotes for what I've wrote.
On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote: In case I die If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH
Gumshoe you guys know why.
BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.
Some thoughts for you:
IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.
BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.
I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.
i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.
No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.
haha what?? are you serious
gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum
Did you read what I've brought on him?
not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA
Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.
1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?
This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.
The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.
2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.
WITH. AN. UNVOTE.
Let me tell you again.
His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?
3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?
4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.
There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.
But in the case he is...
~ If ONEGU is TOWN
Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.
Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D
Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn
Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to
The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read? Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.
yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game
I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.
On October 30 2015 07:05 gumshoe wrote: The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy.
so yeah, third scum is still out there boys.
Super flawed logic cause at the time he voted he couldn't foresee anyone switching and he made it 5 4 And if he pops up to ninjavote just to bus when Onegu has a majority he's screwed anyway, nobody would buy it from him given how he's playing.
On October 30 2015 07:05 gumshoe wrote: The only reason hopeless votes gb there is to save onegu, why is gb not scum as well? Because then hopeless just votes onegu and looks waaay less fishy.
so yeah, third scum is still out there boys.
hmm, that makes a lot of sense actually if H1 could tell 1G was up to be lynched-- he was trying to save the teammate. I think there's a good case that H1's vote means GB has to be town.
On the other hand, 1G/GB/H1 isn't ruled out by this: it's worth noting that up until the very end, GB was on the chopping block. H1 was voting GB, who was going to flip scum (in this hypothetical) and make himself look good. It's not like 1G was ACTUALLY going to survive. If we lynched GB, first, we were still gonna lynch 1G even if I get shot-- lots of people were convinced on 1G.
That being said, we should probably lynch H1 first. In both of these scenarios, H1 is scum, and EITHER WAY, I think H1 MUST be lynched before end of game. Like, even if he's somehow town, how would we know? We have to lynch H1.
I'm onboard with lynching H1 first, then.
I'll take some time to think of third scum and do some reading tonight. One of me or gum is probably getting shot so the other has to lead town with just the filter of the dead guy. Gummy, you and I should both leave behind good analysis
On October 30 2015 07:05 Chromatically wrote: GB is probably town? I don't think so gumshoe.
I guess I should look at stuff again or something now that there's a confirmed mafia flip but doubtful it will change my mind.
just a pet theory : D I wont lie, I dont mind lynching him even though I am reasonably confident hes town, as I dont want to bother swaying literally everyone here why the pants on head townie is a townie, and I SUPER fucking dont want be there at lylo with gb, but yeah, check out mah hopeless arguments and come to your own conclusions.
(actually hilarious, gb me and vivax at lylo, and gb has to pick between his two biggest scum reads to win the game.)
On October 30 2015 07:03 Chromatically wrote: LOL at GB's celebration, I don't think posting a theoretical scumteam that no one believes is a reason to celebrate when people are going to lynch you next.
Think that I didn't write what I wrote. Think it was marv. Then read it. There is NO WAY town acts that way UNLESS he doesn't want to vote his scum buddy.
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