• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:24
CET 08:24
KST 16:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT25Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0241LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Do you consider PvZ imbalanced? Recent recommended BW games BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion CasterMuse Youtube
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1897 users

[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 146

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 144 145 146 147 148 196 Next
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 28 2015 19:34 GMT
#2901
On October 29 2015 04:21 Xatalos wrote:
Btw gumshoe, I'm not sure how much that argument helps, since it kind of just aligns with whatever you otherwise find scummy? Like if you found me and BH scummy, it would just equally align with those reads? But I guess it's worth pursuing whatever ways to solve the game


yes : P yes it would. But your objectively not scummy, therefore if I tried to tie you to this rayn thing, it just wouldnt work. It only works on hope and onegu cause there is a doubt that they are town.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 21:02 GMT
#2902
Alright I've been staring at Vivax's stuff for a while now and I don't think I'm really getting anywhere. I still like a lot of what he posts this game because his thoughts sound pretty town to me and he posts his thoughts a lot. There have been a few things that I didn't like (his read on me/the way he jumped on ritoky/his avoiding voting GB D2), but I'm not sure if that's just because I disagree with what he's saying. I looked at his meta too but I don't think I got anything out of it, I thought I was feeling town at first but as I looked at it more I think I might have just been confirmation biasing. So I guess in total I feel slightly less sure about him? But not very much.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 21:43 GMT
#2903
Most of GB's posts on Vivax

- "I'm used to see Vivax being paranoid town and him giving a bunch of town reads right out of the blue does not looks like his standard gameplay." #491 (first posts)

- "I disagree with everyone, being confident =/= being straight forward and giving unexplained town passes, especially from a guy that I remember seeing flipping his reads constantly based on tinfoil theories. Here I see a guy with static reads that are never updated" #737 (list post)

- "He has yet to explain the townreads, his activity dropped, his reads are static." #774 (post to rayn D1)

- "He comes back, jokes about stuff, says some random stuff about killing me, but actually talks about nothing else in the game. His read on yamato has vanished, too." #1114 (end of D1)

- "Vivax called Yamato scum for being inactive (in less than 24 hours in the game). When yamato turned against me, Vivax gave him a very weird townread (it felt like a joke, Vivax said it was an actual townread). Yamato is inactive now. Vivax never talks about him anymore. He only supports my lynch when people talk about it." #1808 (D2)

- "Vivax has displayed some townie posts, I must agree, but his overall gameplay seems scummy to me. He doesn't feel engaged to win. He hasn't done anything memorable." #2818 (D3)


I was looking through GB's filter again, and I noticed how his reasons for his read on Vivax really change a lot throughout the game. His actual read is completely static, but the reasons completely change and GB gives no sign of how his read is evolving.

For example, he starts by saying that Vivax isn't paranoid enough, but hasn't mentioned that in a long time. Instead he talks about yamato and how Vivax forgot about his read on him, but then he also didn't mention that again today? The only reasons he's given today are the ones in the last bullet point, which are basically completely unrelated to the ones he's given before.

Basically, if the other reasons from earlier still apply, then why hasn't GB mentioned them at all? And if they don't apply anymore, then why has his read not shown any signs of reevaluation?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 21:46 GMT
#2904
Kind of feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but it's something I noticed.

I also looked at GB's meta again, and it made me really confident again. This is totally, completely different from his town games. His town games remind me a lot of mine, and this is nothing like it.

Noticed this post from rayn again, and it made me feel better again about our direction:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=127#2536
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 21:47 GMT
#2905
Still going to give ritoky and BH's filters a thorough look to make sure I'm not missing something big, but I think if we lynch GB/Onegu/Hopeless we will AT LEAST get to final three. I think we'll probably just win, but I really don't see any way for two of them to be mafia.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 28 2015 21:48 GMT
#2906
On October 29 2015 06:47 Chromatically wrote:
Still going to give ritoky and BH's filters a thorough look to make sure I'm not missing something big, but I think if we lynch GB/Onegu/Hopeless we will AT LEAST get to final three. I think we'll probably just win, but I really don't see any way for two of them to be mafia.

*to be town, that is
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 28 2015 23:54 GMT
#2907
Hm yeah, that is a pretty extreme tunnel.... Though he did mention that Vivax has "made some townie posts"? Well, that's a very vague description, I agree. And Vivax has just remained safely scummy throughout the game even if the reasons change :/

Can't say I'm really sad if we solve him today.

Might even vote for him closer to deadline if you think GB is a much better option than Onegu, Chromatically.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 29 2015 00:08 GMT
#2908
Day 3 Vote Count


Onegu (3): gumshoe, Xatalos, Blazinghand, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (2): Vivax, Chromatically, gumshoe

Not Voting (4): Hopeless1der, Onegu, ritoky, gumshoe

Looks like it's time to sack Onegu for being a traitor!
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The quality control list is here.
The automated list counter is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 29 2015 02:25 GMT
#2909
On October 29 2015 08:54 Xatalos wrote:
Hm yeah, that is a pretty extreme tunnel.... Though he did mention that Vivax has "made some townie posts"? Well, that's a very vague description, I agree. And Vivax has just remained safely scummy throughout the game even if the reasons change :/

Can't say I'm really sad if we solve him today.

Might even vote for him closer to deadline if you think GB is a much better option than Onegu, Chromatically.

Yay! I can't argue for Onegu at all, but GB is much surer to me.

I think it might be a good idea for people to consolidate more on one wagon prior to deadline? It seems like most people are pretty okay with Onegu or GB, and I'm a little worried about a situation where the wagons are 4-4 and Hopeless gets the deciding vote or something. Maybe that would deprive us of some voting information but I'm not sure how helpful that is at this point.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 29 2015 02:30 GMT
#2910
Hopeless has not posted in two real life days, Onegu has posted once this phase 24 hours ago. Not sure what to think of that or if it doesn't matter? Hopeless looks like he's just heading for a modkill (which could theoretically screw us over but he would be lynched at some point I guess). Onegu's been posting so it's strange that he hasn't today.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 29 2015 04:27 GMT
#2911
wife surprised me with sounders playoff tickets. won't be here until around deadline. WE WONNNNN SDGHDSGHSJGBSDGBKD
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 29 2015 04:35 GMT
#2912
Read ritoky and BH's filters, still town on them. I think it's possible BH is mafia, but pretty unlikely because he's done a lot of analysis/trying to find mafia and is mostly making sense. So I guess he's probably 4th/5th on the list with Vivax (which doesn't say much at this point because I really do think everyone else is town).

So yeah... GB/Onegu/Hopeless.

Don't let this game go full RIP guys.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
October 29 2015 04:38 GMT
#2913
On October 29 2015 13:27 ritoky wrote:
wife surprised me with sounders playoff tickets. won't be here until around deadline. WE WONNNNN SDGHDSGHSJGBSDGBKD

Probably should vote buddy!
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 29 2015 05:19 GMT
#2914
Chrom, if I'm mafia with Onegu, why not voting him now?
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 11:44 GMT
#2915
I think the scumteam has to be in GB/Onegu/hopeless/ritoky... Chromatically has looked quite good lately, so it's likely not him.

I doubt there's much benefit to clearly consolidating? There's potential to more information if the situation is uncertain (hard choices for scum).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 11:48 GMT
#2916
As for why I included ritoky, it's because his contributions have steadily dropped throughout the game, and maybe rayn was right with his cases. I'll have to reread rayn's stuff before deciding though.

hopeless could be town (or scum), but looks like he's just being lazy and maybe modkilled? I don't think he's the priority in this group.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 29 2015 13:44 GMT
#2917
##vote: Xatalos
Placeholder, no one in their right mind will vote him.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 13:45 GMT
#2918
Ok..........?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 29 2015 13:50 GMT
#2919
im filtering onegu and gb for the time being since those are the wagons.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 15:11:49
October 29 2015 15:11 GMT
#2920
Day 3 Vote Count


Onegu (3): gumshoe, Xatalos, Blazinghand, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (2): Vivax, Chromatically, gumshoe
Xatalos (1): Hopeless1der

Not Voting (3): gumshoe, Onegu, ritoky

Looks like it's time to sack Onegu for being a traitor!
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The quality control list is here.
The automated list counter is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.

Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
Prev 1 144 145 146 147 148 196 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
HomeStory Cup 28 - Playoffs
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 157
FoxeR 85
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 407
ggaemo 276
Larva 149
Leta 133
sorry 57
Noble 55
ajuk12(nOOB) 27
GoRush 20
soO 20
zelot 16
[ Show more ]
NotJumperer 1
Dota 2
XaKoH 877
NeuroSwarm131
League of Legends
JimRising 902
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv618
Other Games
summit1g8399
C9.Mang0333
Mew2King31
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV89
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 25
• davetesta21
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra2672
• Lourlo1526
• HappyZerGling192
Upcoming Events
PiG Sty Festival
1h 36m
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2h 36m
Replay Cast
16h 36m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Wardi Open
1d 4h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.