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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:27 GMT
#1218
It's a shame that Slam disappeared at this timing... There's not really much time left... But it's not really too late yet. Only a couple of switches would do it to kill rayn.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:28 GMT
#1223
On October 24 2015 04:26 ritoky wrote:
alright. here and ready to sheep. who am i sheeping?


Sheep me, vote rayn.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:29 GMT
#1226
On October 24 2015 04:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now

and btw this is what GB does as scum.
He basically does something that is "too scummy to be scum" then, when called out for it he says "mafia would never do that so i am not mafia". Hell he isn't even really defending his read (see Trfel/Damdred last game), he just says "i would not pick Vivax as my target as mafia because people are townreading him".


eh, I guess I see what you're getting at here but compared to the significantly worse issues on hand (low contribution players) is GB the ideal lynch today? If this is really the case, the truth will out in the next day anyways

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
i'll probably choose between GB/Slam if rayn's meta point on Chrome holds up


What's the case on Slam? Any detail on this would be good, I generally have difficulty wrapping my head around Slam.

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On October 23 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 23 2015 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
i'll probably choose between GB/Slam if rayn's meta point on Chrome holds up

Read the last scumgame in database, mainly Koshi's case on him D1.
Also what Koshi says there holds up on GoT game aswell.


Thanks for this info, but next time, a link would be so much nicer!

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On October 24 2015 00:11 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately I think a rayn/marv scumteam makes sense.

Because I have difficulties seeing why town marv would defend rayn based on something that never actually happened, in the first moments of the game, and ignoring everything rayn said afterwards.... Even though rayn already has like 7 pages of filter.


Marv is NOT SCUM. MARV IS NOT SCUm

MARV IS NOT SCUM

Look, last game (student XV) Marv was scum and he was so disappointed to roll sucm again he like, conceded during NIGHT 1.

MARV IS PLAYING THE GAME, THEREFORE HE IS NOT SCUM.

IF Marv was scum, he would basicallyc ontinue to be a super whiny baby and not play. Marv was SUCH A WHINY BABY. UGH. He basically ruined a whole newbie game (a newbie game!) because of what a whiny baby he was about rolling scum. Do you really think he somehow shaped up and stopped being a whiny baby? No, Marv is gonna be a whiny baby until he plays a game or two as town or takes a break. This is true.


I think the high amount of veteran players in this game might help in that regard, but I can understand your point....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:31 GMT
#1227
I mean, he might be more motivated since the players aren't newbies? But... if that's really the case, then I can understand why you're townreading him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:32 GMT
#1228
Actually I think you said this before, but I already forgot.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:34 GMT
#1232
On October 24 2015 04:32 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 04:23 Xatalos wrote:
Onegu... Are you really sure about your rayn read? Because you said that town rayn "wants you to do more". But here his reactions to you have been basically like "I don't want to talk with you", "shut up and sheep". Is that him wanting you to do more? Well, it's not exactly buddying either, but...



No not really but def dont think he is the lynch today. I wouldnt lynch him today for sure I am that comfortable.


Really... because I can't see your meta argument really holding up this game...

But in any case. If not rayn, which players would you want to lynch?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:35 GMT
#1233
On October 24 2015 04:27 marvellosity wrote:
anyone not-xatalos


I'm more town than yourself? I'm glad.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:38 GMT
#1238
On October 24 2015 04:32 marvellosity wrote:
BH - re: Slam

there was the post I quoted of his earlier, the post where he originally has a go at rayn about his vote on him. The post where he says he'll never get lynched before lylo and rayn is suspicious for going after LHF.

Well the thing is, Slam as town has always somewhat reconciled himself to being lynched. In fact, he's often asked to be lynched so he doesn't burden his team later on.

This meta may well have changed, he's become more self-confident or whatever. But I think the switch to "you are voting me therefore you are suspicious, and i am unlynchable" is too much.

After this post he kinda periodically quotes rayn and calls his posts suspicious, based on not very much.

Then when I also become suspicious of Slam, he doesn't really think why I might be suspicious of him, he just lumps me as mafia along with rayn. It's the true definition of omgus because he doesn't actually have any other reason to be suspicious of me other than the fact I am voting for him.

He makes posts like "the way marv and rayn are arrogant this game is telling" without explaining how it's telling.

I'm seeing no passion, no fire, no sparks of... anything in his play.

Is it a slam dunk case? No, it isn't. But i have reasons to townread a lot of other people so my pool is kinda smallish. Can't see why he should be town.


hmmm

The truth is, I liked his posts about you/rayn/marv quite a bit when I read them.

If you say no passion, then there's already a ton more of effort so far than all along in his last scumgame.

Can't say I can read him well though.

It's just that he's pretty much said all the same things I've thought.

Hard to see him being scum after all that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:40 GMT
#1242
On October 24 2015 04:38 marvellosity wrote:
yes but you scumside so that should make you tihnk he is mafia

ritoky: i know, but lots of fun things are bad for your health


Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:42 GMT
#1245
On October 24 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
if xata wasn't so terrible the wagons could be chrome-slam instead of rayn-slam and then our chances of hitting mafia would increase exponentially


rayn/Chromatically would be good. I just think Slam is a 50/50 in the best case, and in truth he's quite a bit more likely town after he's mirrored my thoughts all game.

If you think Slam's posts are scummy, then mine should be as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:43 GMT
#1248
On October 24 2015 04:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2015 04:42 Xatalos wrote:
On October 24 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
if xata wasn't so terrible the wagons could be chrome-slam instead of rayn-slam and then our chances of hitting mafia would increase exponentially


rayn/Chromatically would be good. I just think Slam is a 50/50 in the best case, and in truth he's quite a bit more likely town after he's mirrored my thoughts all game.

If you think Slam's posts are scummy, then mine should be as well.

just totally moronic.


What's the difference? He's mostly used the same arguments and even the same posting style for accusing rayn.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:46 GMT
#1250
On October 24 2015 04:44 marvellosity wrote:
why
are
you
asking
about
stuff
that's
already
explained


Link?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:49 GMT
#1253
The other things are just slight meta tells / gut feelings that are hard to judge for me... And the part about starting to suspect you at that time equally applies to me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:53 GMT
#1256
Not Voting (3): Blazinghand, gumshoe, ritoky

Don't forget to vote, only 1h left. And I kind of think this group is town atm.

Why did you even unvote in the first place, BH?

If you all vote for rayn, we can do this
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:56 GMT
#1257
Btw I think there's almost definitely one scum between Slam/rayn. Just looking at how the votes are so gathered on the two people without the usual random outliers where scum like to hide. Except Onegu's vote I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 19:57 GMT
#1258
And I mean exactly one scum (rayn), not 1+ or at most 1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:04 GMT
#1267
Hm. I was starting to think that Slam actually COULDN'T even be scum based on all the votes being piled on Slam... But then I remembered the people still having not voted at all. I guess if you assume that the scumteam is something like Slam/ritoky/gumshoe, then it's not impossible. But that's quite the improbable scumteam and most likely the scumteam is just hopping on lynching town Slam to save scum rayn at this point in time.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:05 GMT
#1270
On October 24 2015 05:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, finished up with the day post in Newbie mafia, so this game has my full attention for the next hour. I'm almost caught up, just pushing through the 50s now. right now I've got my eyes set on Chrom and Gumshoe, though I'll be paying attention to the Slam case as I catch up. Let me know if you have any requests for reads now, since we're getting close to deadline and I don't have much time


Whatever happened with rayn? You were still talking about the RNG on him a while ago and him being otherwise scummy, but now he's not an option anymore?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:09 GMT
#1273
Hm... that may actually be the case. He called you scum so many times, but he didn't actually offer any real arguments besides the RNG....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 23 2015 20:13 GMT
#1279
Well, BH, will you believe in the RNG
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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