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On October 26 2015 23:57 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:50 Xatalos wrote:
If he's town, he's a lot more shitty than what I read of BTTB. And he promised to never play as badly as town once that game ended. fuck you your reads are even more bad than mine. Your top scumread is me, obvious town (though apparently it's out of spite rather than scumminess.. even worse if so). You townread Yamato and Onegu, useless lurkers who usually get at least something done with their posts as town (Yamato) or who contradict their own reads and make no sense with their posts (Onegu). I doubt my reads can be any worse.
Doesn't this mean that Onegu is the better lynch?
Also is anyone (other than gumshoe) voting yamato for reasons other than just lurking?
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On October 27 2015 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i might just want to lynch all the people who think easy questions are hard...
Rayn, IF you're town, please go back to be AFK until you decide not to be a prick.
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On October 27 2015 00:15 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata I'm talking about in this post specifically. What were you referring to in that conversation that made "zero sense here" and made you want to vote him?
I dont remember exactly...
I didnt and dont like his push on rayn. I pointed out why rayn was town and he said that what i said pointed to rayn being mafia not town and it didnt.
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Onegu what the flying frisbee did yamato do that was so townie on D1???
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
This is from your list post.
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On October 27 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:On October 26 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:03 Onegu wrote:
So BH says I am scum because I come into the thread before I sleep to make a post. A post about something I have been thinking about. Then he brings something up. I say ok yeah maybe you are right we can discuss it before I vote him. Then I go to sleep because it is 2am local time.
And BH know that I just peace out as both alignments. Moreso as town so that should be NAI to him. Would lynch BH.
Out of the 2 wagons right now I could lynch either of them. Would lean more to Yamato as he looked really townie day one but then did nothing n1 and d2. This matches up to his scum meta as just fucking off and doing nothing. And I know he wasnt working because I was playing Dota with him. Onegu i want a straight answer. What does the bolded & underlined part refer to? It refers to I was playing Dota with him last night. I dont get what you are looking for here rayn. Why do you post the bolded shit if you think it has to do with his alignment?
Becuase it effects my read on him. That is why I would lynch him over GB.
But I am waiting for you to tell me why GB is scum.
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Hulk smashed some heads looked green
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On October 27 2015 00:21 Vivax wrote:Onegu what the flying frisbee did yamato do that was so townie on D1??? This is from your list post.
Because he had reads and put effort into the game. He can make posts as scum but he doesnt put effort into his posts. I felt he put actuall thought into his reads. Looked townie to me.
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On October 27 2015 00:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 00:21 Vivax wrote:Onegu what the flying frisbee did yamato do that was so townie on D1??? Yamato did some stuff looked townie. This is from your list post. Because he had reads and put effort into the game. He can make posts as scum but he doesnt put effort into his posts. I felt he put actuall thought into his reads. Looked townie to me.
I'm gonna compare his reads to yours from the time in question and tell you if you're mafia in a bit.
I already noticed you had opposite reads on GB so you're one step closer to a bad road.
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Day 2 Vote Count
yamato77 (4): gumshoe, Xatalos, GlowingBear, Vivax
GlowingBear (2): Chromatically, ritoky, Vivax
Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneet, Onegu
Onegu (1): Vivax, Xatalos, Blazinghand
Hopeless1der (1): Onegu, Onegu
raynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, Blazinghand
Not Voting (2): Hopeless1der, yamato77
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On October 27 2015 00:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 00:15 Chromatically wrote:On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata I'm talking about in this post specifically. What were you referring to in that conversation that made "zero sense here" and made you want to vote him? I dont remember exactly... I didnt and dont like his push on rayn. I pointed out why rayn was town and he said that what i said pointed to rayn being mafia not town and it didnt.
Here's the page before that post for others: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=83
Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it felt very very out of place to say "Xata is making zero sense here." when Xatalos hadn't said anything about the meta on rayn for a page or two since you last posted. It felt like you wanted to put a vote on Xatalos and just threw some justification about how you didn't like what he was saying without really checking if it made sense with what he was saying in the thread at that time.
Someone else read it and tell me if I'm thinking too much into it.
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On October 27 2015 00:18 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On October 26 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:50 Xatalos wrote:
If he's town, he's a lot more shitty than what I read of BTTB. And he promised to never play as badly as town once that game ended. fuck you your reads are even more bad than mine. Your top scumread is me, obvious town (though apparently it's out of spite rather than scumminess.. even worse if so). You townread Yamato and Onegu, useless lurkers who usually get at least something done with their posts as town (Yamato) or who contradict their own reads and make no sense with their posts (Onegu). I doubt my reads can be any worse. Doesn't this mean that Onegu is the better lynch? Also is anyone (other than gumshoe) voting yamato for reasons other than just lurking?
Hmm... Maybe slightly. But I'm content with yamato since as town, he's usually considerably more active and invested than this. There was one game I played where he was lurking as town, but at least he posted some valuable posts when he was there. Here... pretty much nothing. Just playing CS/Dota and totally unmotivated. Fits his scum style - starting weak and then dropping off the thread.
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On October 22 2015 13:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think Vivax is mafia.
I think Xatalos has some questionable parts of his filter and I agree with gumshoe to an extent.
I do not think gumshoe is mafia very often (given his play this game).
I think marv has changed how he plays (quite obviously). Don't know what to make of that quite yet.
I think rayn is leaning town but it's hard to say with not much having happened.
Most others are a big ?, including yourself.
tl;dr it's been 20 pages and 8 hours and no reads are confident.
So this and the GB scumread is the best effort we see from yamato during D1.
On October 24 2015 02:55 Onegu wrote:
So after catching up.
Marv is more active but still useless... Like really the best a town marv has is pushing a slam lynch. I guess he pushes GB. Hrmmm guess that is alot more than his last few games.
I think gumshoe is falling into the onegu rule.
Rayn is like 90% of his town meta.
Yamato did some stuff looked townie.
GB rolled my RnG.
Havent seen BH again since the start. IIRC he had some reads other than his RnG lynch. Townish I think.
Hopeless said he was going to lynch me for being useless I told him good luck, he didnt bite at the bait. Not looking good. IE rels in rayns game.
I have forever given up on attempting to read slam. Would lynch or wouldnt lynch. Not really top priority.
Xata many reads, big filter. he is like 99% town. Rayn my friend you should get off of this one.
UMMM... Who else.... Oh chrome completely forgettable. Scum read.
Vivax will trust yamato's read on him for now.
Ummm.....
No more Mabs or Town! since my rant post it must have worked.
Damn I am good at this game.
You all call me useless but then you all know my reads are normally right on. Unless they are completely wrong. It is never a mix of right and wrong. And I am more right than wrong.
I bolded everything they should disagree on (and the GB part isn't even included) and I can say with a certain confidence that there's no reason for a town Onegu to blindly trust yamato here, or even give him a town pass for effort when his rayn and marv reads are similarly wishywashy to Onegus.
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On October 27 2015 00:32 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 00:19 Onegu wrote:On October 27 2015 00:15 Chromatically wrote:On October 25 2015 09:41 Onegu wrote:
Nope Rayn hasnt left yet. He is still town.
Xata is making zero sense here.
##Vote: Xata I'm talking about in this post specifically. What were you referring to in that conversation that made "zero sense here" and made you want to vote him? I dont remember exactly... I didnt and dont like his push on rayn. I pointed out why rayn was town and he said that what i said pointed to rayn being mafia not town and it didnt. Here's the page before that post for others: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=83Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But it felt very very out of place to say "Xata is making zero sense here." when Xatalos hadn't said anything about the meta on rayn for a page or two since you last posted. It felt like you wanted to put a vote on Xatalos and just threw some justification about how you didn't like what he was saying without really checking if it made sense with what he was saying in the thread at that time. Someone else read it and tell me if I'm thinking too much into it.
You're preaching to the choir here 
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On October 26 2015 17:45 Blazinghand wrote:here are things that stood out to me as townie from GB's filter during my dive a couple days ago: Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 11:18 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 05:11 Onegu wrote:
My RNG sheep is...
GlowingBear.
GlowingBear my vote is yours!!! OK! ##Vote: Onegu I don't see scum responding to a free vote this way. This is hilarious and fun and spontaneous and probably not what a scum player would do, because scum has to be more calculating. Here's a snippet of you and I discussing GB (edited for some mistakes): Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:19 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 19:02 Vivax wrote:On October 23 2015 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:On October 23 2015 07:53 Xatalos wrote:On October 23 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote:
Bothers me how first GB goes from "Vivax mafia cause tone" when most people agreed that it's my town tone, and then thinks of another reason to scumread me for and switches over to saying that he's suspicious of my townreads cause he doesn't know how they're formed.
So um yeah, either my tone sucks but then my townreads don't have anything to do with it, and when confronted with other people's opinions (marv was hitting that with a pneumatic hammer) he abandons it and starts looking for another reason to bitch about my alignment, so he asks me some fancy questions "why do you townread these dudes" when it's a question he could ask anyone without having to scumread them first. Maybe you're onto something.... Well, it does kind of feel like a premeditated push. No it doesn't. 1.There is no scum-motivation behind trying to push someone who is being universally townread. If scum wants to push someone, they will push mislynchable townies. They (usually) are never going against a hard target.2.I pushed Vivax because I don't like his tone and his easy town passes. I can find it scummy before further investigating it.I'm re-reading the game atm. 1. Wow look at you with the pants on your head, scum would never wear pants on their head. 2. The point is that you can just stick to your guns in that case instead of complaining about me not explaining my reads which is something that doesn't catch scum most of the time. There are dozens of read lists in this game and not every read is explained properly, it's a bottomless barrel. For example there's you saying marv has changed his playstyle and you're not sure about it and then he's suddenly green in the list post of yours, if I ask you why you'd say "I changed my read cause bsbs", great. If I call you scum for it you will just give a reasonable explanation. Or the irony in saying my reads are too static but being suspicious about me giving out too many of them, and basically being the first to do so. You accuse first and ask questions later, that's what I demonstrated with the post of mine and I have a hard time seeing you as the kind of guy who usually tunnels me for reasons I don't understand (like Koshi/Artanis/marv in earlier days). So Vivax, if I understand what you're getting at here, you were tonereaded by GB as scum. After people came in to defend you, GB then said "Vivax is pushing easy targets, so he's still scum". Why is GB scum and not a tunnelled townie for this? I think you raise a good point with the marv flip-flop (though again, marv is easy to read this game, so we don't really care about him) but "this guy got tunnelled and changed his reason for scumreading someone" seems like... well, in a vacuum it seems like the kind of thing a townie would do, especially if it's a little unpopular. Scum could easily change reads (as you note GB did on Marv), so why not do that on you? If I've missed context here, fill me in. Also, if I recall accurately you were one of the early supports of the RNG lynch on rayn. However, glancing through your filter, I don't see anything other than cursory interactions with him between voting him and now, and yet he's no longer on your list. You also write: On October 24 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote:On October 24 2015 01:52 Alakaslam wrote:On October 24 2015 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Oh Slam with the seniority argument.
I remember how I used that in my first games, trying to incite a revolution of the masses to overhtrow the vet government.
Then I got hanged, torn and quartered. I'm not saying they shouldn't use it as town. More that they are using it scummily here. If it comforts you I feel ambiguous about rayn too when he goes after you and not GB but I also take into consideration that we all got massive egos. Which wasn't too long ago. Where do you stand on rayn, and why? I'm not saying "hurr durr vote rayn now" but I'd like to see a clear statement from you on your position on raynpelikoneet, who used to be a library is obvscum clealry due to rng which I think addressed my thoughts on the early GB play pretty succinctly. Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:On October 23 2015 19:28 marvellosity wrote:
the funny thing is, one thing that makes me unsure about GB being mafia - both rayn and I stated pretty early that Vivax was town and I think it was kinda obvious we were serious about it. So I guess GB-mafia in that instance somehow decides to go against both me and rayn and push a very weak meta case? it's practically suicidal. maybe he's just town and believes it... dno right now I consider this moderate evidence that GB is town. It would be the easiest thing in the world for GB to drop this, right? So him sticking to it means he must really BELIEVE it (however incorrectly?) more than he cares about living. This isn't a dumbtell, it's a determinedtell. For example, the biggest shitfests between 2 people are always "town and town" cause nobody is more determined and stubborn than a tunnelled townie. I think this is fair point that I make here. This is what tunnelled townies look like. Is it possible, here, Vivax, that you're scumreading GB just because he scumread you, and that got you mad or at least biased? It's a really common thing for Town to OMGUS people, (town or scum), that call them scum, especially for clearly irrational reasonsl ike GB expressed. Now, we can say ":GB is irrational, and we expect town to have a certain logic" and that's a fair thing to say! for sure! but at the same time, scum ALSO has a certain logic. They're looking out for #1. They're not gonna do this, not after getting opposition from rayn and marv, right? They'll blow which way the wind is going, and be forgotten about.
In response to the last point, I honestly think that's way more what tunnelled scum look like than tunnelled townies. Tunnelled townies (especially GB, as you can see in his meta) really push to get their target lynched and to convince everyone of it. Tunnelled scum just stick on one scum read because it's really, really easy to just have the same read rather than ever reevaluating it (this is what I did in GoT as mafia, I just talked about how I wanted to lynch Risen for like 5 days straight). I don't think sticking to a read is a towntell. If people disagreed with it earlier, that just makes it look more "original" when you post it.
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Ugh I just really feel like it's GB and I've talked about it so much but people still are giving him townreads even though there's meta to support it and stuff. He's done actually nothing all day today other than give some weak reads and throw a vote on yamato.
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Don't forget they could easily both be scum given how they don't care about the game at this point.
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On October 27 2015 00:44 Vivax wrote:
Don't forget they could easily both be scum given how they don't care about the game at this point.
yamato and GB? or Onegu and GB?
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On October 27 2015 00:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:On October 26 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:03 Onegu wrote:
So BH says I am scum because I come into the thread before I sleep to make a post. A post about something I have been thinking about. Then he brings something up. I say ok yeah maybe you are right we can discuss it before I vote him. Then I go to sleep because it is 2am local time.
And BH know that I just peace out as both alignments. Moreso as town so that should be NAI to him. Would lynch BH.
Out of the 2 wagons right now I could lynch either of them. Would lean more to Yamato as he looked really townie day one but then did nothing n1 and d2. This matches up to his scum meta as just fucking off and doing nothing. And I know he wasnt working because I was playing Dota with him. Onegu i want a straight answer. What does the bolded & underlined part refer to? It refers to I was playing Dota with him last night. I dont get what you are looking for here rayn. Why do you post the bolded shit if you think it has to do with his alignment? Becuase it effects my read on him. That is why I would lynch him over GB.
Why? Why is he lying? What the fuck?
Seriously, why do i have to waste 1000 posts on an easy question?
"And I know he wasnt working because I was playing Dota with him."
Where? When? What is this related to?
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This is the fucking bullshit i have to deal with in this game.
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