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On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town.
Maybe it means the player in question isn't town then? Or you should reconsider / fortify the read in question? In any case no reason to beg for votes..
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On October 24 2015 00:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:34 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
it's not heading towards anything vs rayn. It is if I have anything to say about it. you don't.
I asked for that 
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On October 24 2015 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos can we lynch you on D2 if i flip town?
Not really, since you're not 100% scum. But I think we should lynch the highest probability scum, that being you. Self-vote if you wish.
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On October 24 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:40 Vivax wrote:
Why does this D1 feel like it's full of little Vivaxes trying to go against the grain way too hard yes that's why i need yamato i have no thread control and it's infuriating
You have to take the leadership with merit in this game, not just assume it because of past merits.
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On October 24 2015 00:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:44 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:40 Vivax wrote:
Why does this D1 feel like it's full of little Vivaxes trying to go against the grain way too hard yes that's why i need yamato i have no thread control and it's infuriating You have to take the leadership with merit in this game, not just assume it because of past merits. you're an idiot.
Okay?
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I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn.
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On October 24 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:48 Xatalos wrote:
I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. okay, you are welcome to think this but when i end up being right about rayn, i reserve the right to never listen to your opinions in any game ever again.
Well, even if that happened, your reasoning would still suck (especially the part about you having the same reads at the start when you actually argued about your different reads on ritoky and the gumshoe read too... and it's not like it would have been hard for scum rayn to give decent initial townreads either).
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On October 24 2015 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:52 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:50 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. On October 24 2015 00:30 Rels wrote:
Xatalos (1): Chromatically
Tell me more about the "shitty scum" reading you. You obviously have more people in mind, who are your detractors? I meant "shitty scumreads", not shitty scum reading me. I think I buy this. Am I crazy?
Well that's basically how I saw his post to begin with?
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On October 24 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 00:36 GlowingBear wrote:On October 24 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
GB, if you're town, seriously don't just commit suicide here. Looks like it's heading towards you vs rayn and it'd be sad if you caused your own death there, like a certain player in my newbie game.... I'm not commiting suicide, I'm getting angry that such shitty scum read on me based on a read that I find very reasonable and I'm having a hard time believing good players can't possibly see I'm town. Then start playing as town, vote for slam, and stop asking questions about what you should already know instead of telling us you have read the thread. I HAVE READ THE THREAD I KNOW YOU "YOLO'ED" AND CALLED ONEGU TOWN FOR NO REASON I KNOW YOU META'ED HOPELESS AND CALLED HIM TOWN I KNOW MARV AND YOU HAD TWO INITIAL TOWNREADS - XATALOS AND VIVAX I KNOW YOU FUCKING HAD GUMSHOE AS MAFIA THEN FLIPPED YOUR READ WHY CAN'T I BRING WHAT I THINK ABOUT PLAYERS AND ASK YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I'VE BROUGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING "OH OKAY RAYN SAID THESE GUYS ARE TOWN SO THEY ARE"????!?!?? JESUS CHRIST Because if you fail to realize your read on Vivax is actually really terrible then there is nothing to talk about that one. If you can't understand, when four players, me, marv, yamato, and Vivax (and to some extent other players -- well basically all of them) call your read bad, you should probably at least think your read can be bad, as we can't all be mafia, right? Instead of doing this, you come back and say "but i would never do this as mafia". Your read is bad, regardless of Vivax alignment, that's a fact. Yet you are just sitting there on that read doing nothing. Onegu is likely town for his approach towards me early on in the game. Same goes to Hopeless. Furthermore, last time i asked Hopeless to do shit when he was mafia he didn't do shit. I agree Hopeless isn't doing much but is trying to do something, and that is a towntell for him. I will never lynch Hopeless or Onegu here on D1. Never. And you should not either, especially with players like Slam in the game (or even Blazinghand who hasn't actually done jack shit this game). Or ritoky, or gumshoe. Never ever. The last three of those have posted but all of theirs posts have nothing much to say. Now not all of them can be mafia, because Slam is definitely scum, and i can't even know which one of them is/isn't scum, but i am most certain of Onegu not being mafia. Basically Onegu just doesn't care, which is not what his scumplay looks like, and while i hate the way he plays, that's what he does as town. So if you are town get your head out of your tunnel'y ass and start considering also what other people say, especially when almost everyone in the game shares the view OPPOSITE of yours on Vivax. You fail to realise that I asked your opinion exactly because my townread were saying my scum read is town. But then, when you come to the thread, you scum read me. What am I supposed to do, listen to you and vote me???? Like, seriously, you and Marv could simply answer my question. But instead you decided I'm scum. I AM considering what other people say. Unfortunately, they are saying I'm scum, and that's wrong. I really don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Well I think this post is more likely from town.... Hm. It's not so easy to fake this confusion/paranoia as town IMO.
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On October 24 2015 00:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:48 Xatalos wrote:
I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. okay, you are welcome to think this but when i end up being right about rayn, i reserve the right to never listen to your opinions in any game ever again. Well, even if that happened, your reasoning would still suck (especially the part about you having the same reads at the start when you actually argued about your different reads on ritoky and the gumshoe read too... and it's not like it would have been hard for scum rayn to give decent initial townreads either). it's irrelevant what my reasoning is when the result is always correct it's not for nothing rayn made a post a couple pages ago "there is only one person on the planet who can read me" he means me. go away.
Well if the reasoning sucks, then it's just luck / TMI / lying... Nothing to brag about. In any case, I'm fairly sure I'm right, so I guess we'll see how things go.
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On October 24 2015 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Surefire ways to get lynched:
1) Tell marv he cant do it.
lolz
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On October 24 2015 01:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 00:58 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 00:51 marvellosity wrote:On October 24 2015 00:48 Xatalos wrote:
I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. okay, you are welcome to think this but when i end up being right about rayn, i reserve the right to never listen to your opinions in any game ever again. Well, even if that happened, your reasoning would still suck (especially the part about you having the same reads at the start when you actually argued about your different reads on ritoky and the gumshoe read too... and it's not like it would have been hard for scum rayn to give decent initial townreads either). it's irrelevant what my reasoning is when the result is always correct it's not for nothing rayn made a post a couple pages ago "there is only one person on the planet who can read me" he means me. go away. Well if the reasoning sucks, then it's just luck / TMI / lying... Nothing to brag about. In any case, I'm fairly sure I'm right, so I guess we'll see how things go. yes it's just lucky that i'm the best person at reading rayn that ever lived *rolls eyes*
Well every gambler has winning streaks
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On October 24 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote:
I think it's too early to lynch slam This should probally tell you that Gb is totes town. The lynch momentum is falling off him, and what does he do? "Hey that guy whose supposed to die instead of me? Maybs lets him live." Even if there scum buddies it makes no sense.
I guess that makes sense... Your argument I mean. I'd happily jump on Slam if I was scum GB.
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On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: Show nested quote +I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game.  He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely).
Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality.
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On October 24 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality. Again, this is just not true. I decided to look further on GB because of what yamato, marv and Vivax said. I actually dug myself further into ritoky. I have thought Slam is mafia all game. Somehow you are incapable of seeing why i did these things, when it should be very clear from my filter. And that is why i think you are scum. You are just painting it as "unexplained read changes" when it's definitely not.
Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS.
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On October 24 2015 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Incorrect, Slam has not been a PoE read after his catch up.
I just said it shifted to an OMGUS read after he started scumreading you.
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On October 24 2015 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:21 Xatalos wrote:
Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS. So in your opinion is that i cannot call shit reads shit? And think people who should not make shit reads are not mafia? I guess i start calling every single player mafia in the game when i roll scum and when they attack me back i yell OMGUS. Best strat ever.
Well that's what you did last game as scum (minus the "every", replaced with "a lot of")
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Well Slam, I hope you do your part :D It could be a little difficult after rayn and marv set their sights on you, but... It's not like their points really carry any weight. It's just some general statements like "he decided rayn was scum and cherrypicked reasons for it afterwards" when in reality I think your catch-up post spree was a pretty natural progression with several reads.
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On October 24 2015 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:21 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2015 01:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 24 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:For the record, why Xatalos' read on me is shit and why i think he is scum is this: I mean.... Your merits this game are defending rayn (who's played exactly according to his scumgame so far, and made many unfathomable logical jumps) based on something that never really happened at the start, and some vague "nice posts" he's made. And attacking Slam for posts that I actually really liked about ritoky/rayn. This is a complete mischaracterisation of my play. I never ever do this. I never do this as town, i never do this as mafia. I have never changed my read on anyone without a reason or a "reason" (as mafia). I always have a reason for why i post the things i do. I have clearly explained every single read change i have had in this game (which is basically GlowingBear, Xatalos himself and ritoky). I went onto a long conversation about ritoky earlier, and at that time apparently there was nothing wrong with it for him. But now again it is a reason for scumreading me? I have also explained why i changed my read on GlowingBear, at that time there was nothing wrong with it for him? It should be really easy to see why i think Xatalos is mafia - or at least a bit earlier - why i reconsidered my read on him. Slam's points on me are literally shit, and as marv pointed out Slam just decided he calls me mafia nad then started quoting my posts and called them scummy. All of his points are unture, what he says i have for example done in the last couple of games -- i have literally did the same thing (which makes me scumread GB too, as he should know Slam's points are shit, yet he doesn't address them -- as i just acted towards GB the same way in the last two games). Somehow Xatalos thinks those points are good? Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. Another thing is he is trying to paint my read on him as OMGUS when there is nothing even close to that. I have actually reasons to think he is scum. He isn't trying to figure out my alignment, and to be honest this is kinda funny because all he says is "he did the exact same thing last time he was mafia and i caught him", funnily enough this is the EXACT case i myself made on rsoultin in that game. He is also not not even re-considering his read in any way when marv, who is the only person who can ever read me correctly all the time, heavily disagrees with his read. Instead he decides that we must BOTH be mafia. I find it almost impossible to believe that's what he actually thinks. There is basically no way Xatalos thinks i am most likely to flip mafia here. I could understand he thinks i am mafia, but not like this, and not for the reasons he pulls out of his ass. He is basically not a person who "yolo's" a scumread like this without digging further into it. If he did, he would see that: 1) my reads are not actually unexplained, nor are the changes on them, it's really easy to see why i do the stuff i do 2) me acting like "i did as mafia" is a pure mischaracterisation of my play. The read is wrong and lazy as fuck, and misses all the reasoning for me to do things i do (which btw is there if you read closely). Well, it is OMGUS. It literally went like "Xatalos is prolly just town" -> "oh wait, he scumreads me?" -> "100% scum" in like... a couple of minutes. Your reads ARE very weird and especially their progression. You've pretty much went against anyone currently "under fire" regardless of your previous stances on them. Whenever thread sentiment turns against someone, you conveniently find some scummy post that you forgot about him earlier and vote for him. The same thing repeated with ritoky, GB and me... Town -> scum because of thread sentiment / OMGUS, not because anything actually changed in reality. Again, this is just not true. I decided to look further on GB because of what yamato, marv and Vivax said. I actually dug myself further into ritoky. I have thought Slam is mafia all game. Somehow you are incapable of seeing why i did these things, when it should be very clear from my filter. And that is why i think you are scum. You are just painting it as "unexplained read changes" when it's definitely not. Well, you just said it like it is... Hard defense -> heavy scumread based on thread sentiment, while finding some sort of justification (a single bad post or something) in their filter. It's just too drastic and the timings are too convenient. Slam has been a PoE read, conveniently always staying in the Poe regardless of all the shifts, and now it's OMGUS. What do you mean "conveniently". Slam did nothing for a good stretch of time, then spam posted the thread. 80% of which was "hey check out why rayn in scum".
I mean it seemed like Slam was always like a fall-back option for him, kept there at the end of the list to vote for if given the chance. When you put it that way, I guess that point's not really too big.
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