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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:26 GMT
#538
On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:

Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake

This is a super good idea.

On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.

that makes you mafia.


There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all.

##Vote CopCake

Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:29 GMT
#539
On October 14 2015 20:33 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 20:05 Sylencia wrote:
Anyways, given the swingy nature of the game I'm going to approach it 1-2 people at a time.

If CopCake doesn't go down for whatever reason, Onegu is next because no matter what role he is, he is a detriment to town. Given the initial disadvantage we have, losing a vote and a voice over a more active townie would be terrible.



Played with him before
He's far from useless at all
Terrible P Lynch

I love your haikus (=
So you've earned is a fair warning: I will push you if you don't become useful until EOD
That also applies to Onegu
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:32 GMT
#540
On October 14 2015 23:01 Superbia wrote:
[Town]
Superbia
Glowingbear
Slam
TT
[Lean town cutoff point]
Rels
Deconduo
Xatalos


[Lean-Mafia]
Koshi

[Mafia]
Moosy
Copcake

You're missing a couple people.
Gratz on plat god (= I love this game soooo much
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 14:55 GMT
#546
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What you have to do - is find other people not in your faction and lynch them.

On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless.

Making lists is doing exactly what we you think we should do IE "find other people not in your faction and lynch them". In fact you've just admitted you did a list too:
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
And everyone that I've listed otherwise is probably 3rd party or Mafia. That's how I've been formulating my reads. I listed a bunch of people I didn't like because this isn't a 3 man team we have to kill, it's two different teams.

I see no difference between "listing people from most town to most not-town" and "listing the people I think are not-town".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 15:00 GMT
#547
On October 14 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The thing that all of you seem to have difficulty understanding - is that there are 3 factions here. So using standard lists like narrowing it down to a few scum is useless.

Your "I make townie-type list and Superbia makes scummy-type list" stupidity aside, I don't agree with this today. D1 we do not care about association. We lynch not-town.
When a not-town flips we can start thinking about partner candidate. Especially, two partners are unlikely to have bussed each other D1, so this is valuable info.
But it doesn't matter D1.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 16:50 GMT
#554
On October 15 2015 01:25 Xatalos wrote:
Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits...

Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being.

The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions).

TT s arguments are good though. You used different logic for different people, and most importantly you only voted on ongoing trains. You cannot dismiss them as " not trash" and "null leaning things".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 16:55 GMT
#555
Disclaimer: I will be sleeping at deadline ... The latest I guarantee being awake is 2 hours before deadline, after that no promise! So I would be super happy if we can consolidate before that. In particular, I would be super happy if onegu and gobble starts not being useless
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:25 GMT
#572
No shit. Once again you're not reading.
You said I was suspecting GB but I was answering his questions, when I rescinded my suspicions two posts after raising them
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
YOU should be reading my fucking posts
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:37 GMT
#574
On October 15 2015 03:19 CopCake wrote:
The fuck I am town, you fucktards.

I already explained my reads but I wont make a "fancy post" about them, I do say I feel this is "carefree" or like if the post doesnt seem like it doesn't have a mafia agenda or a third party one.

WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT I DONT GO FOR LURKERS?

I HAVE SUPERBIA AS SCUM, DUH!!! you are lying.

I also never said that rels is town, where do you get that idea rels? you are mafia or third party with Glowing Bear

##Glowingbear

Again. Explain why I and GB are not town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:44 GMT
#577
On October 15 2015 03:42 CopCake wrote:
Hey rels, where I said YOU ARE TOWN? huh huh huh?

Hey copcake, did you catch that post where I saw you never said that ??
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:45 GMT
#578
Maybe I forgot to make it. Shit where is my delorean
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:47 GMT
#579
On October 14 2015 23:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:

Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake

This is a super good idea.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.

that makes you mafia.


There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all.

##Vote CopCake

Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation

Good back to the present! Everything is fine now
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:51 GMT
#583
On October 15 2015 03:49 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
No shit. Once again you're not reading.
You said I was suspecting GB but I was answering his questions, when I rescinded my suspicions two posts after raising them
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
YOU should be reading my fucking posts


HEH HEH HEH HEH what you said like a few minutes ago? that I townread you?

you are making shit up.

...
Are you saying the following:
Rels said Copcake is townreading Rels
Based on this sentence:
You said I said you townread me
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:54 GMT
#586
On October 15 2015 03:53 CopCake wrote:
I have never townread you, like never ever, ever.

Yes and I realized that a while ago. In fact I quoted the post where I did
So
Why are you scumreading me ? Why are you scumreading GB ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:55 GMT
#587
On October 15 2015 03:54 CopCake wrote:
And you a few moments ago said i was townreading you which is a huge lie.

I didn't say that. I said you said I said that. Read the fucking sentence please
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:56 GMT
#588
On October 15 2015 03:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 03:49 CopCake wrote:
On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
No shit. Once again you're not reading.
You said I was suspecting GB but I was answering his questions, when I rescinded my suspicions two posts after raising them
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake
YOU should be reading my fucking posts


HEH HEH HEH HEH what you said like a few minutes ago? that I townread you?

you are making shit up.

...
Are you saying the following:
Rels said Copcake is townreading Rels
Based on this sentence:
You said I said you townread me

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 18:59 GMT
#590
On October 15 2015 03:57 Koshi wrote:
I take no responsibility in this CC lynch.

Are you kidding me ?
She's not reading
She doesn't have reason for GB and I to be scum, let alone partners
She think I was suspecting GB but answering question which is false
She didn't remark I saw she didn't townread me, but she remarked I said she townread me before
Nothing makes any sense
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 19:18 GMT
#591
Onegu! Gobble!
This is your H-2 warning. Do useful things or die.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 19:35 GMT
#597
On October 15 2015 04:26 CopCake wrote:
yet you AFIRM that I said that you were town.

The part here is the fucking problem. Read again:
On October 15 2015 03:25 Rels wrote:
You said I said you townread me, when I also already realized that mistake

I didn't "afirm that you said that I was town". I said you saw that post where I thought you read me as town, IE this one:
On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
She thinks I'm town now ???? There is no explanation for that switch.
[...]

But you didn't see the post where I realized you didn't read me as town, IE my case post:
On October 14 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
[...]
Fuck I misread this! I thought Copcake said "I think Rels is town though", and that was a ridiculous switch.
OK so she's actually saying "GB is scum because he thinks Rels is scum". That's still super bad:
- why is she not voting me
- why did she doubt it was a unflipped association
- it wasn't her original case; her original idea was "Rels suspects GB => Rels answers GB's questions => they're scum together", which is false since when I answered GB's questions, I wasn't suspecting him anymore
- it doesn't explain why I am mafia, which is the center of her accusation

So you're not reading properly the thread. You're not reading properly my posts.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 14 2015 19:36 GMT
#598
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town


Ok, here he suspected GB.

I have already said why I did suspect GB btw, and is because we were mafia together last game and guess what? he should know my meta, and GB's one of his first posts was "what do you think of cake, Xata?" like HE KNOWS ME AND XATA HAVE PLAYED MAFIA BEFORE where the fuck does he has that info?

HUH HUH HUH HUH?

And you suspected GB yet you answered his questions, honestly when someone I think is mafia i tell them to shut up ans answer "me"

You saw this post but you didn't see the very next one ???????
Not even the next one in my filter. The next one in the fucking thread.
Impossible. Die
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