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On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/5aLrlDiJPMPFS/giphy.gif)
Sson it doesn't make denotative sense but the connotation is ok
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On October 14 2015 02:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi if you really get AFK I will lynch you
You won't be able to. Rels has destruido
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On October 14 2015 02:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Copcake 아유다 매
Btw I promised I wouldn't English with that
Not Spanish
I am Spanishing
+ Show Spoiler +because that's actually worse, I said "help me"
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On October 14 2015 01:37 Tictock wrote:
Rels also skipped over something I was sure he would call out.
I should double check that everyone has posted when I get home, I might be on to something.
What did he skip and why is him focusing on meta worrying? Tbh I think he may be a bit tunneled, but he hasn't really said anything unreasonable about you.
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On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious.
Lol :D
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Day 1 Votecount
Tictock (3): Rels, Koshi, Koshi, Koshi, Xatalos
Koshi (1): GlowingBear
MoosyDoosy (0): Koshi
Sylencia (0): Xatalos
Not Voting (9): CopCake, gobbledydook, MoosyDoosy, Onegu, deconduo, Tictock, Superbia, Alakaslam, Sylencia
Day 1 ends in .
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Sup is mafia because DUH why the fuck does he need to say "BRB" when the game was SO FUCKING DEAD like seriously that post was like "hey look at me i am paying attention but you fucktards are not participating" totally different when he was town in that game i was mafia with moosy.
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Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
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On October 14 2015 02:51 Alakaslam wrote:Rels is good but he is playing a vanilla game.
That's how you play the setup. D1 you want to lynch not town; starting D2 we can make the difference between mafia and 3p.
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On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
You're not reading the thread.
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Copcake a second thing you missed:
On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152870/2684749-1410539-thrall.jpg) In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRt_PoibxOyNa_BYVAoTAvv_OOeFS5OAMrKFDzN7RFcmP1Lt5bT) Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning  I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads.
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So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest:
+ Show Spoiler [Rels] +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far.
+ Show Spoiler [koshi] +Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:GB logic: Show nested quote +I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.
I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments.
+ Show Spoiler [Superbia] +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now.
+ Show Spoiler [Sylencia] +On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick
Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean.
+ Show Spoiler [Xatalos] +On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.
This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.
Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.
Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.
I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right. I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode. Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation. You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do. Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia. QED Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing. Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb. I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean.
+ Show Spoiler [Onegu] +On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null.
+ Show Spoiler [Alakaslam] +Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
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+ Show Spoiler [gobbledydook] +The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm.
+ Show Spoiler [GlowingBear] +On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null.
+ Show Spoiler [MoosyDoosy] +Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post  . Leaning scum.
+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] +I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least.
+ Show Spoiler [copcake] +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.
##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go.
Gonna vote for copcake based on the above.
##Vote: copcake
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On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is.
I think I know, kus I had a very similar reaction.
I'll explain when I get caught up.
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On October 14 2015 02:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
Anyways would like to know what Xat and Koshi find scummy about me, or if they are just sheeping Rels meta case without checking things themselves.
Good to know, lol.
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On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1.
Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud.
Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day.
As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW...
Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias.
Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that.
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So my initial read on Koshi was that he was probably town. He pulled a lot of attention to himself in the first few hours of the game unnecessarily. His vote on MD initially looked like a random pressure vote or just something thrown out for reactions.
What throws that read off is how he came back to defend that vote and used some stuff that happened after he voted (namely Moosy's play dropping off sharply) to support MD being scum.
I also thought this post was very weird.
On October 13 2015 20:26 Koshi wrote:
Anybody with KP, please kill Xatalos this night.
At first I thought it was because Koshi wanted to lynch Moosy still, but now he's switched his vote to me. So I'm left scratching my head a little.
My gut is telling me Koshi is still prob town for sticking his head out so early in the game, my head just doesn't get the rest of it yet.
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So this caught my eye when I first read it. I held off commenting right away kus I know Rels often does opening post analysis, and wanted to see if he'd catch it too.
Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects.
Xat's open practically screamed that to me.
On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafiaI truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT). Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way.
That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi.
1-Votecount link
2- VT Claims, No Claims
3- Quote and scumread on Koshi
4- Town not underpowered
The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak.
This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here+ Show Spoiler + and could very well be concerned about his open if he rolled scum.
Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you...
On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with.
Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game.
On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them.
That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic.
So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here.
##Vote: Xatalos
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On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
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Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that.
Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play
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