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GlowingBear
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On October 07 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: well i like winning, so there is that.  If i want to have fun i go talk with people in TS/Skype or something. When i play mafia i play mafia. Ok | ||
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It's awful lol | ||
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1. Everybody talks but nobody listens 2. People scum reads people for reasons that doesn't make them Mafia. Whenever I feel like actually playing I always remember what Iamperfection told me, which is to analyse people through mindsets Town wants to catch Mafia Mafia wants to survive The moment it came to my head I instantly put sicklucker to the lynch list. If people want to play seriously, they have to think about this | ||
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On October 07 2015 08:40 Half the Sky wrote: You said the same thing I did but in 1/3 the words because I'm so bad xD Great minds think alike GB <3 And good on you for remembering some of the things I taught you about hosting, you cited in game, Incidentally you didn't remember some of the most critical parts - if you had, you would have known that four blue roles is NOT possible at all in m13, but you did well enough. If you had your old host qt saved up you would see where I said this in there for Carnaval <3 <3 <3 <3 much love I'll probably read it again soon | ||
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On October 07 2015 18:00 marvellosity wrote: gg wp town GB: your post about listening to others and what have you especially applies to you. You tunnelled coolTLname to the lynch based on nothing and I told you why Damdred was 100% town and you just kept calling him mafia. It was really dull. Day 1 The Shining was the classic of example of free hard townreads on a player for nothing. Listening to others doesn't mean I have to agree with you. People called shining town the same way you called Damdred town. I simply played a lot with Damdred and couldn't agree that he would react like that as town. When I say everybody talks but nobody listens I mean when people start calling everyone Mafia and not considering other people's opinion or not even trying to see their scum reads coming from a town perspective. And although I had a scum read on him I dropped it down several times because of you. And I've dropped a scum read on LS several times when rsoultin and Rayn called him town. And I came back to your filter and truffle's to find your reads. So I don't really know what you're talking about | ||
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On October 07 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: no, the Shining townreads were quite different. My Damdred read was "he would 100% never do this as mafia, therefore he is 100% town" none of the reads on Shining were like that. edit: my general point was that you are actually quite obstinate yourself :p Like LYNCH HOLYFLARE XD | ||
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On October 07 2015 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh jesus that's large when I open the thread on my pc x_x That's what she said | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/msty.gif) | ||
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On October 08 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: First you start o not care as scum, then you start to not care as town either because people are dumb. Maybe you should stop thinking that high of yourself because although you are clearly a good player you have some awful awful reads from times to times - in a sense that a laid back Marv could see why shining was scum on day one and you simply gave him a town pass. Being logical =\= being smart, although being smart requires being logical. This is not a game just about logic. If you want to play with logic, you should try sudoku | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:22 rsoultin wrote: i pointed out many things i appealed to tone i appealed to discrepancies i appealed to logic lol >< i did straight up setup analysis that pretty much proved that moosy's claim of a full roleblocker was more credible for pure balance reasons than rels' 1-shot claim but ^^ i did not say the magic words (whatever those might have been) that would have shown you what i saw, rayn  i was hoping that the logic of my case would do ittbf though, rels, i actually was trying to see if maybe i was wrong and your responses were more reasonable than MD's, assuming one of you was the real roleblocker. it wasn't specifically reasons to call you out over him despite being fairly sure that MD's claim was the more credible for tone and setup reasons Dear, you've done great. The big problem here is that your gameplay as town is very similar to your scum play which will always make people be suspicious of you. The setup analysis you've made pointed out for Moosy's claim to be true. Your play here was not pathetic at all. | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:30 rsoultin wrote: lol the big problem is i can replicate my town play as scum better than most, and it makes me harder to trust as well as doesn't leave me much room for having an off town-game like i did at the start i think that in a vacuum without prior knowledge of my scum games, most people would townread me for my play in this game? Answer: yes. And that's why I only care about your alignment when we reach late game. I prefer to cooperate with you. It is just that... This game has got like 100 pages on day one... I don't feel like reading everything. I like to play with you because you can see people's posts through every POV and I think this is a trait very overlooked by players | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote: thank you though gb <3 you solved the game for me, no joke lol >< i was kinda missing your fire from this game and it was a big reason why i kept swinging back and forth on your alignment. you brought the gb fire lol >< <3 Well, I am traveling and wasn't following the thread very closely after all. But I've made so many plays that couldn't have Mafia motivation behind it that I couldn't believe I was a wagon in LYLO | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote: I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate. You can play to win and also play to have fun. I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia. For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day. I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do. Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win. | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote: eh i was just seeing what happened tbh lol rather mean of me like i didn't think we were going to end up lynching scum if i couldn't convince rayn to lynch either rels or sl, so i was just yolo voting with him since we weren't going to win if we split votes anyway you were so obviously town though with the votes on you that even if i'd willfully tried to scumread you i couldn't xP so woot! you're my spirit man lol ^^ i mean it. we see the same things more than you know; i just don't always give weight to them for various reasons Marry me I thought you could have been voting me just to pressure me lol and it worked. I mean, when I was screaming out of my lungs and nobody was here I thought maybe people are reading it and laughing at me hahaha We have the eyes of chupazi | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:52 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, sometimes doing something stupid by chance will lead to a good result. That doesn't mean it is good to do stupid things. Ok, but what I'm trying to convey is doing stupid stuff doesn't mean a player isn't trying to win Anyone could play the game with simple logic. It just isn't fun. Going for the gr8 plays is way funnier. That's all. | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:58 justanothertownie wrote: Cool. But not going for the great plays will actually win town more games and is the strictly better play. So yes, in a sense you aren't trying to win. At least if you know at that point that what you are doing is stupid. It's not only about you. Maybe you think being retarded is funny but the other people on your team may think differently and THEY might have a lot less fun if they lose because of you. Well, that's their problem, not mine. And it's very very easy to read me when I do those kind of things. Rayn lynched me when I was scum. Rsoultin can easily townread me. Truffle easily townread me. It's all about looking if I had Mafia motivation behind it and the fact is that I had none. And no, if I choose to take a less effective path to win the game doesn't mean I'm not trying to win. That is a stretch of the concept. As I've said, some stupid moves CAN make me be scumread but it also can bring very good information in thread, in a game where information is everything. Anyway, no use discussing this since I'm not willing to change my opinion not will you change yours. It's just a shame people take things so seriously that it influences their emotion. Life is already too serious to take this forum in such depressive way | ||
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But I will try to do in the next game as I already said. I will give it a shot | ||
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On October 08 2015 03:24 Blazinghand wrote: hey guys, let's try to be reasonably nice to each other, yeah? we're all TL mafia people here I am not trying to be an ass to anyone. Sorry if it sounded that way. | ||
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