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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 08:58 GMT
#3401
Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?

Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:01 GMT
#3402
On October 03 2015 13:02 rsoultin wrote:
scummy
rels - while i like that he seemed to evaluate me just fine and with a particular neutrality, i have a very big problem with his reason for scumreading cool, not to mention his pissing off and placing his vote on a random player not being voted and not returning until much later. his original reasons weren't bad, but now he's focused on this horrible he's not really a newbie thing, he's actually a smurf cause of what he said about gb not reading the thread? cool never said that. moreover the "knowing" gb thing is bad as well, given cool's explanation was fine. rels could not believe it, but someone as intelligent as he is i would think would be pushing cool for much more relevant reasons (and they do exist)

I would like you to explain how you come to this conclusion when your top townread thinks pretty much the exact same thing?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:02 GMT
#3403
On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?

Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....
Ok, I did it myself (rushed through it, anyway). At a glance, this meta read seems accurate. I'll check more later, but I'm quite happy about this.

Except now I almost wish I'd saved it for another time....

This is in agreement with the suspicious things I'm noticing in The Shining's filter.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:05 GMT
#3404
Can you link the games you checked?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:08 GMT
#3405
On October 03 2015 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you link the games you checked?
Well I spent about two minutes doing my check, but I checked his only mafia game and his latest town game, according to the database. Again, I'll do a more detailed check later.

I'm not going to scumread him or townread him purely because of this meta, I'd rather base my read off of his play. But this does help.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:16 GMT
#3406
idk, his scumgame seems super different from this game.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 03 2015 09:18 GMT
#3407
OK Trfel. Please follow me.

I made this post about Moosy's suspicions of GB:
On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.

Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.

LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.

I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.

I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.


Then I realized:
On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:
ACTUALLY
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.

Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.

LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.

I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.

I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID


Now I realize someone can think I am scumreading Moosy for not being here at EOD with this post. But I am not: I have never said that, and I have explained multiple times this didn't do anything for Moosy's alignement:

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:
ACTUALLY
On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.

Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.

LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.

I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.

I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID

lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.

I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott

On October 02 2015 05:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:31 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:
ACTUALLY
On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.

Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.

LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.

I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.

I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID

lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.

I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott

Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?

WTF
you might want to reread what I wrote

Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"

I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch"
Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
Got it ?

On October 02 2015 05:38 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:34 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:31 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
[quote]
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.

I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott

Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?

WTF
you might want to reread what I wrote

Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"

I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch"
Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
Got it ?

Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".

When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.

I never said this makes GB scummy.
I also said you might want to reread what I wrote.
So you might want to reread what I wrote
Because I said the opposite

hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.

It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid
I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours

On October 02 2015 05:43 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:38 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:34 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:31 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
[quote]
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?

WTF
you might want to reread what I wrote

Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"

I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch"
Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
Got it ?

Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".

When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.

I never said this makes GB scummy.
I also said you might want to reread what I wrote.
So you might want to reread what I wrote
Because I said the opposite

hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.

It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid
I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours

"It's not super important?" So you scum read me for it, then brush it aside once I explain it away? ok.

yes it is not super important
I explained what GB would have done if he was mafia: shut up and wait for deadline
Then I realized you did exactly that, so I was excited
But it doesn't mean anything since you could just be busy

On October 03 2015 00:53 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly
B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

you're lying
I never said you not being here at EOD was scum indicative. I said GB being here at EOD and not switching was town indicative because he would have shut up at EOD; then remarked it was ironic since you did exactly that.
I'm attacking you on two things:
- your GB's EOD analysis is bullshit
- you lied about being the first to vote and push coolTLname
Now the problem I have with you as scum is that you would be busing coolTLname D1, which I don't think is likely. Hence why I'm not sure about you.



I am scumreading Moosy for other reasons, but it's unrelated to this.

Now Moosy made this post:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly

B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

I thought the bolded refered to me thinking him not being here at EOD was scum indicative.
- If that's the case, Moosy is clearly mis interpreting my scumread on him
- If that's not the case, I have no idea what he is talking about and this could be a lie

He said it was not the case, but didn't precise:

On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly

B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

What were you talking about then ?

lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.

Question 1 What do you think Moosy was talking about, if it's not the fact that I thought him not being here at deadline is scum indicative ?

Since then I've asked the questions to Moosy each time I saw him in the thread, and he never answered.
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly

B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

What were you talking about then ?

lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.

On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly

B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

What were you talking about then ?

On October 03 2015 01:04 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly

B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

What were you talking about then ?

lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.

Can you answer my request
I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT
Yes or no ?
If no, what is it pointing at ?
AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then

On October 03 2015 02:14 Rels wrote:
is one hour not enough to answer this ?
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 01:04 Rels wrote:
On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:

- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.

Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?

I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.

lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearly

B. lack of focus on his scum reads

I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.

What were you talking about then ?

lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.

Can you answer my request
I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT
Yes or no ?
If no, what is it pointing at ?
AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then


On October 03 2015 03:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On October 03 2015 03:19 Rels wrote:
Vote recap with colored flip

Day 1

scott31337 (7): Damdred, marvellosity, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, rsoultin, marvellosity, Rels, The Shining, sicklucker
coolTLname (4): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining, LightningStrike, marvellosity
rsoultin (1): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Rels,
GlowingBear (1): Damdred, coolTLname, rsoultin
Trfel (0): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosy, marvellosity
LightningStrike (0): raynpelikoneet, scott31337

So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue.
I think there is no way to know right now because:
- sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched
- but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train
So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.

No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.

On October 03 2015 03:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 03:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 03 2015 03:19 Rels wrote:
Vote recap with colored flip

Day 1

scott31337 (7): Damdred, marvellosity, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, rsoultin, marvellosity, Rels, The Shining, sicklucker
coolTLname (4): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining, LightningStrike, marvellosity
rsoultin (1): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Rels,
GlowingBear (1): Damdred, coolTLname, rsoultin
Trfel (0): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosy, marvellosity
LightningStrike (0): raynpelikoneet, scott31337

So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue.
I think there is no way to know right now because:
- sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched
- but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train
So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.

No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.

that would make sense
Can you answer my request ?




Question 2 I think it's scum indicative. Do you ?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:20 GMT
#3408
On October 03 2015 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk, his scumgame seems super different from this game.
I'd sure hope so, he basically wasn't able to play that game at all due to being busy the entire time. His play was just activity excuses, which he said were all true after the game and in the QT. There isn't really much scum meta to rely on for him.

His filter is quite scummy, I think, his read progression doesn't line up. For example, it seems to me that his Day 1 scumread of coolTLname is sort of pulled out of thin air (he seems to be stressing things and awkwardly joining the wagon but being sure to make his own reasons for it). And he completely drops his earlier case on MoosyDoosy, no reference to it at all, even going so far as to say that his view on something was the same on MoosyDoosy's (but no stance on MoosyDoosy...).

And The Shining seems to show a distinct lack of knowledge for LightningStrike's play, and since they've played several games together I'm pretty sure, I don't think that The Shining's early scumread on LightningStrike is very believable.

Anyway, I should probably shut up until I finish, I guess.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 03 2015 09:21 GMT
#3409
On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?

Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....

On October 03 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?

Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....
Ok, I did it myself (rushed through it, anyway). At a glance, this meta read seems accurate. I'll check more later, but I'm quite happy about this.

Except now I almost wish I'd saved it for another time....

This is in agreement with the suspicious things I'm noticing in The Shining's filter.

This is a good idea. What exactly did you find ?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:23 GMT
#3410
And The Shining seems to show a distinct lack of knowledge for LightningStrike's play, and since they've played several games together I'm pretty sure, I don't think that The Shining's early scumread on LightningStrike is very believable.

Can you explain this further?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:24 GMT
#3411
Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?

As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 03 2015 09:28 GMT
#3412
On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote:
Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?

As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.

No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:31 GMT
#3413
I guess I sort of retract the point about The Shining's stance on LightningStrike, it appears that they haven't played much together for several months.

Still though, when The Shining seems to assume that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet would read GlowingBear the same way, that doesn't seem reasonable. Even from reading a little bit of this game, it should become clear that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet have different styles, which would lead to different methods of how to read people.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:32 GMT
#3414
No Trfel it might be valid, what did you see?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:33 GMT
#3415
On October 03 2015 18:31 Trfel wrote:
The Shining seems to assume that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet would read GlowingBear the same way, that doesn't seem reasonable. Even from reading a little bit of this game, it should become clear that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet have different styles, which would lead to different methods of how to read people.

where does he say that?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:35 GMT
#3416
On October 03 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Trfel it might be valid, what did you see?
The Shining was commenting on things that LightningStrike does all the time as town and was calling LightningStrike scum for them. Such as posting summaries of what happened in the thread (often without taking stances on it).

The big thing is that it feels like the quote about comparing raynpelikoneet's and LightningStrike's statements on how to read GlowingBear felt like The Shining was trying to find additional reason from nowhere to scumread LightningStrike.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:35 GMT
#3417
On October 01 2015 05:43 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:15 marvellosity wrote:
why is GB town? i'm sure you explained somewhere but i forgot and i still have lots of things to do that are not-mafia before deadline

He is being at least semi-reasonable. You can call that bullshit if you want to.
I have never been wrong on GB in any game after the first time he rolled mafia.
If him/you/someone want to prove me wrong go ahead.


Hes being semi reasonable, therefore town? This contradicts the LS townread of him that as scum he makes more sense as scum and makes no sense as town. You have to be at least somewhat reasonable to make sense and if GB is making sense, he's scum to LS. What do you think about the LS read on GB?

Like from what I see, you guys have opposite reasons for calling GB town.

Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
October 03 2015 09:37 GMT
#3418
On October 03 2015 18:28 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote:
Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?

As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.

No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it.
I'm sorry, it's 5:30 AM and MoosyDoosy's arrogance makes it very hard for me to read him He's just always so freaking confident beyond logic, and I try to be as realistic as I can, the clash is quite hard for me...

My first thought is that his arrogance could lead him to just ignore you, especially if he was scumreading you at the time which I believe he was?

I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow, especially if you remind me, but I might not even have time to finish looking at The Shining
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:40 GMT
#3419
idk. If you have one of us town (me) and one of us scum (LS), in my opinion it is natural to ask from their townread about it, you know like "why do you think this guy thinks otherwise".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 03 2015 09:41 GMT
#3420
rsoultin get another "glowingber point" for her Rels read.
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