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On October 12 2015 11:24 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 11:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 10:08 -Celestial- wrote:On October 12 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote:
It's simple maths. Whoever doesn't fight or isn't angry by D3 is obvscum. Not necessarily true. In my first game I threw an absolute wobbler over Tubesock's Spanish Inquisition, claimed Doctor in an apparent fit of pique and then spent basically the rest of the game sulking; all of which got me out of a lynch and persuaded everyone not to lynch me the day after either. And I survived as Mafia RB. X-D Actually wasn't that the game you endgamed me in? e.e On a game related note, I think I'm starting to warm up to the Marv lynch. He's still not here. And FF still isn't giving me the warm fuzzies but he's made some pretty logical counterarguments to what I've brought against him. So has OO, although I find it weird OO is defending someone who wants to lynch him. But right now, Marv is a better lynch over FF. Then your vote is on FF when you think marv is a better lynch? You're not making sense right now. ##unvote
##vote The Shining Because I don't want to vote with my scumread on another of my scumread when my first scumread has given me reasons to scum him. But w.e do what you must. Gj on not paying attention, you didnt even know who I was voting. And yes Marv is probably the better lynch because he fucked off, whereas FF is playing but I have actual reasons to scum him. I'm following my personal read and gut over some meta bullshit because it can very well be wrong. But FF playing and posting could come from a town perspective but quite frankly idc anymore. Everyone can keep scumming me all they want and eat a big fat...Snickers when I flip. We all know what I actually wanna say but I don't feel like getting warned.
Yes, this just does not make sense. Why would you say that the point on marv is perfect and that you're "warming up to" his lynch and that he is the better lynch while keeping your vote on FecalFeast? I also dislike how you're coming up with an excuse to scum read marv too.
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On October 12 2015 11:48 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 11:34 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 11:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 11:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Possibly, I'm about 40 mins from closing shop however. Do you have a case or something other than compiling your filter? I'll read when I get home Just a brief summary but I'm writing up something right now. Basically he said everything on marv was perfect and worked out and said marv was a better lynch than FecalFeast. So I asked him how he read FecalFeast and he said scum. This meant that marv had to be more scummy to Shining than FecalFeast, but Shining kept his vote on FecalFeast while basically saying everything on marv was perfect. There's no reason for him to keep his vote on FecalFeast when he said that marv was a better lynch. I actually had my first suspicions because in our last game where he was scum, Shining made an excuse to switch his vote onto the popular wagon. Here, marv is turning out to be the popular wagon. Also, the fact that he's so conscious about his last game with me is strange in and of itself. Here Marv is turning out to be the popular wagon and IM NOT FUCKING VOTING MARV. so how does that argument make any sort of sense? And all I said was its a perfect META case. I've also said meta can be INACCURATE which is why I didn't switch. The fact that I'm conscious of past games is NAI so blow it out your ass, bro. I'm also conscious of my first ever game here which was almost a year ago and Celestial brought it up in this game. I guess I'm scum for that, too, right? Oh and lets not forget! Moosy just said I'm strangely conscious about last game in the same post HE MENTIONS SOMETHING ABOUT LAST GAME REGARDING ME. Guess I'm not the only one conscious of last game, hm? Hmmmmmmmm??
That's not even the main post I'm making against you. That's actually what kind of sparked my suspicion on you which led me to go on a long spiral of questioning you.
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On October 12 2015 11:47 Eversince wrote:
Bear with me also. I was super mad earlier. I took a rest, still wakin' up from it.
Will catch up, but it might take me a min'.
Hello Eversince. May I convince you for a Shining lynch?
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On October 12 2015 11:53 Eversince wrote:
Uhm Moosy, I am confused by that {huffs}
Would it be too obvious that I'm trying to get you to lynch Shining if I called you beautiful? o:
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On October 12 2015 11:54 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 11:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 11:48 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 11:34 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 11:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 11:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Possibly, I'm about 40 mins from closing shop however. Do you have a case or something other than compiling your filter? I'll read when I get home Just a brief summary but I'm writing up something right now. Basically he said everything on marv was perfect and worked out and said marv was a better lynch than FecalFeast. So I asked him how he read FecalFeast and he said scum. This meant that marv had to be more scummy to Shining than FecalFeast, but Shining kept his vote on FecalFeast while basically saying everything on marv was perfect. There's no reason for him to keep his vote on FecalFeast when he said that marv was a better lynch. I actually had my first suspicions because in our last game where he was scum, Shining made an excuse to switch his vote onto the popular wagon. Here, marv is turning out to be the popular wagon. Also, the fact that he's so conscious about his last game with me is strange in and of itself. Here Marv is turning out to be the popular wagon and IM NOT FUCKING VOTING MARV. so how does that argument make any sort of sense? And all I said was its a perfect META case. I've also said meta can be INACCURATE which is why I didn't switch. The fact that I'm conscious of past games is NAI so blow it out your ass, bro. I'm also conscious of my first ever game here which was almost a year ago and Celestial brought it up in this game. I guess I'm scum for that, too, right? Oh and lets not forget! Moosy just said I'm strangely conscious about last game in the same post HE MENTIONS SOMETHING ABOUT LAST GAME REGARDING ME. Guess I'm not the only one conscious of last game, hm? Hmmmmmmmm?? That's not even the main post I'm making against you. That's actually what kind of sparked my suspicion on you which led me to go on a long spiral of questioning you. Nor is it my main counterpoint. But its the only one you decided to respond to. Why is that? It's funny that that is what sparked your suspicion, though, as it means you were aware of it from the beginning of my posting which means you're just as conscious of last game. So please explain to me how that is a scum tell. I'll give you a hint. It isn't.
-tilts head-
hm?
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I think this is pretty simple Shining. I thought she dropped her scum read on you while she left which is why I'm asking her now to make sure.
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The Shining is scum. I started a train of questioning on Shining because I was unsure about how he read marv and FecalFeast and his votes and lack thereof on them.
- The Shining said that the point on marv as a lurker scum was perfect and even went so far as to say that marv was a better lynch over FF.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 10:08 -Celestial- wrote:On October 12 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote:
It's simple maths. Whoever doesn't fight or isn't angry by D3 is obvscum. Not necessarily true. In my first game I threw an absolute wobbler over Tubesock's Spanish Inquisition, claimed Doctor in an apparent fit of pique and then spent basically the rest of the game sulking; all of which got me out of a lynch and persuaded everyone not to lynch me the day after either. And I survived as Mafia RB. X-D Actually wasn't that the game you endgamed me in? e.e On a game related note, I think I'm starting to warm up to the Marv lynch. He's still not here. And FF still isn't giving me the warm fuzzies but he's made some pretty logical counterarguments to what I've brought against him. So has OO, although I find it weird OO is defending someone who wants to lynch him. But right now, Marv is a better lynch over FF.
- But he still has his vote on FecalFeast for some reason:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2015 11:06 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 11:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:So Shining is voting for marv because he thinks marv is more scummy than FF although he believes that both are scum. And FF is voting for marv because he changed his read on ObviousOne. @FecalFeast, just one last question. On October 12 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
And to commit to a read I am now calling OO towny What is with this post? On October 12 2015 10:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
In his post he said I was scummy with OO and marv. Both people I have said I'm ok with killing. I was saying that seems like a bad strategy. Welp you're getting knocked down a notch on my town list. I’m voting FF, not Marv. Because meta is unreliable but Marv is playing into his scum meta, whereas FF has given me reasons to scum him.
The goal behind doing this is to be in line with one of the popular wagons (marvellosity) and setting up an excuse to possibly vote for him.
- Also, a lot of his posts answering my questions are really, really waffly. On one hand he seems to be saying that marv is a better lynch but then he says he FecalFeast is more scummy because of the stuff he has on him.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2015 11:00 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 10:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 10:53 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 10:45 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 12 2015 10:40 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 10:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 10:08 -Celestial- wrote:On October 12 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote:
It's simple maths. Whoever doesn't fight or isn't angry by D3 is obvscum. Not necessarily true. In my first game I threw an absolute wobbler over Tubesock's Spanish Inquisition, claimed Doctor in an apparent fit of pique and then spent basically the rest of the game sulking; all of which got me out of a lynch and persuaded everyone not to lynch me the day after either. And I survived as Mafia RB. X-D Actually wasn't that the game you endgamed me in? e.e On a game related note, I think I'm starting to warm up to the Marv lynch. He's still not here. And FF still isn't giving me the warm fuzzies but he's made some pretty logical counterarguments to what I've brought against him. So has OO, although I find it weird OO is defending someone who wants to lynch him. But right now, Marv is a better lynch over FF. Can you point out these logical counterarguments? Regardless of whether i agree with them or not, his point regarding getting both of his partners killed if my scumlist is correct is a good one. And his OO vote was something i did overlook when i scummed him, although i did explain how he could just switdh votes. But he did come off of OO pretty easily now that i look at it... Like i said. I still dont have warm fuzzies about him, my vote is still on him but it also makes perfectly good sense to lynch the guy who did nothing and then fucked off when most here know his potential as town. I only havent switched to marv because Fecal did, which means I'm wrong on one of them but I'm still hoping Marv can show up and clear it up. But at least FF is responding to pressure "I know I'm wrong on one" how do you know you're not wrong on both? If marv shows up and bleeds town how does that make me scum? Yeah yeah moose I'm doing the thing Because I'm just too good to be wrong on every single scumread I have.  Realistically I could be wrong on both but I just don't think I am. Him showing up and bleeding town doesn't make you scum, though. The points I've brought against you make you scum. Lelelelele So how do you read FF? null? town? scum? Is it not obvious I still think FF is scum? My vote is still on him and I continue to say he gives me no warm fuzzies. The only reason I think Marv is a better lynch is because it plays so perfectly into his scum meta and therefore gives us a higher chance of a scumflip because I could very well be wrong on FF. I just don't think I am. On October 12 2015 11:24 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 11:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 10:08 -Celestial- wrote:On October 12 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote:
It's simple maths. Whoever doesn't fight or isn't angry by D3 is obvscum. Not necessarily true. In my first game I threw an absolute wobbler over Tubesock's Spanish Inquisition, claimed Doctor in an apparent fit of pique and then spent basically the rest of the game sulking; all of which got me out of a lynch and persuaded everyone not to lynch me the day after either. And I survived as Mafia RB. X-D Actually wasn't that the game you endgamed me in? e.e On a game related note, I think I'm starting to warm up to the Marv lynch. He's still not here. And FF still isn't giving me the warm fuzzies but he's made some pretty logical counterarguments to what I've brought against him. So has OO, although I find it weird OO is defending someone who wants to lynch him. But right now, Marv is a better lynch over FF. Then your vote is on FF when you think marv is a better lynch? You're not making sense right now. ##unvote
##vote The Shining Because I don't want to vote with my scumread on another of my scumread when my first scumread has given me reasons to scum him. But w.e do what you must. Gj on not paying attention, you didnt even know who I was voting. And yes Marv is probably the better lynch because he fucked off, whereas FF is playing but I have actual reasons to scum him. I'm following my personal read and gut over some meta bullshit because it can very well be wrong. But FF playing and posting could come from a town perspective but quite frankly idc anymore. Everyone can keep scumming me all they want and eat a big fat...Snickers when I flip. We all know what I actually wanna say but I don't feel like getting warned.
These posts are just contradictions all around and are waffly. In one post he’s leaning that marv is more scummy because the case on him is perfect. In the other, he’s leaning that FecalFeast is more scummy because he has points on him.
But don’t forget that he already contradicted the supposed “points” that he had on FecalFeast with this statement:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2015 10:16 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 10:08 -Celestial- wrote:On October 12 2015 09:59 The Shining wrote:
It's simple maths. Whoever doesn't fight or isn't angry by D3 is obvscum. Not necessarily true. In my first game I threw an absolute wobbler over Tubesock's Spanish Inquisition, claimed Doctor in an apparent fit of pique and then spent basically the rest of the game sulking; all of which got me out of a lynch and persuaded everyone not to lynch me the day after either. And I survived as Mafia RB. X-D Actually wasn't that the game you endgamed me in? e.e On a game related note, I think I'm starting to warm up to the Marv lynch. He's still not here. And FF still isn't giving me the warm fuzzies but he's made some pretty logical counterarguments to what I've brought against him. So has OO, although I find it weird OO is defending someone who wants to lynch him.But right now, Marv is a better lynch over FF.
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On October 12 2015 12:04 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think this is pretty simple Shining. I thought she dropped her scum read on you while she left which is why I'm asking her now to make sure. Nope its pretty simple Moosy. This is the second time this game you've started doing things, and then explain them after the fact to make yourself look good. The first being the vote on OO before explaining your thought process to Onegu. Now you're trying to convince someone who vote me before you and never moved her vote to lynch me You're clearly not reading the thread and just pushing for a mislynch here.
Would it be entertaining if I told you I was spamming for the remainder of Page 37 so that I could post my case at the top of Page 38?
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On October 12 2015 12:06 The Shining wrote:
Case 10/10 best case 2015. Pls lynch the actively lurking Moosy after I flip town pls and thx
Thank you. It was a pretty good catch if I do say so myself.
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As a tl;dr for people who don't really understand my post:
1. Shining said marv was a better lynch than FF and that the stuff on marv was perfect, but kept his vote on FF.
2. Shining later tried to retract his statement and say he kept on voting for FF because he thought FF was the better lynch but he already expressed otherwise for marv.
3. Shining already said that his posts on FF were weak because of ObviousOne's defense and FF's defense but still wants to vote FF while thinking marv is a better lynch.
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On October 12 2015 12:12 Eversince wrote:
Mhm, thoughts on our exchange Moosy? Omit the irritated luggage I tossed on.(or dun', it happened, it's there and feel free to interpret it how you will)
I did think his tone was town but Shining has fooled me in the past so I wouldn't like to make a judgment based on that. The premise of the argument was faulty because neither you nor he knew what you both were trying to say to each other.
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On October 12 2015 12:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean, don't get me wrong, I like where your case is going moose. Shining's explanation of marv's meta being damning but his weak read on me being based on this game isn't terrible.
I don't like the rage coming from him though. IDK people say getting mad is a towny thing but I disagree
It's not just that, it's how he keeps on contradicting himself. First he says marv is a better lynch but doesn't change his vote off of you. Then he tries to say you're the better lynch but had admitted his points were weakened by OO's and your counterarguments and said marv was the better lynch. So which exactly is it? Does he think his admittedly weak points on you make you scum? Or does he think that the perfect point on marv is a better lynch? And rather than understanding this basic question he goes on about how I mentioned meta and says I'm trash without actually explaining the contradictions. He is scum.
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On October 12 2015 12:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah... No you're right. It's more contradictory than I first interpreted...
1. Shining said marv was a better lynch than FF and that the stuff on marv was perfect, but kept his vote on FF.
2. Shining later tried to retract his statement and said he kept on voting for FF because he thought FF was the better lynch but this contradicted him saying marv was the better lynch.
3. Shining already said that his posts on FF were weak because of ObviousOne's defense and FF's defense but still wants to vote FF while thinking marv is a better lynch.
^ Basically this.
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On October 12 2015 12:40 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 11:52 Eversince wrote:On October 12 2015 10:27 -Celestial- wrote:On October 12 2015 10:23 The Shining wrote:On October 12 2015 10:18 -Celestial- wrote:On October 12 2015 10:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:
-Celestial-, are you a boy or girl? Sorry if you answered this earlier. I'm a boy. But I'm not too bothered what people refer to me as. X-D Oops my b Don't worry about it. I bet I'd look great in a frilly dress anyway, so call me what you want.  I got this cute little black summer dress from the shop. I bet you'd look spiffy in it! Hey...you're going to make me blush. Anyway...to play devil's advocate here a bit I have one question to ask about this case against Shining: to what end? What would be the point of Shining's play here? Marv is totally dead in the water. He's not here. He might even get modkilled or replaced if he's not back in time to vote. Its a very, very easy bus to get on as mafia and if he's really not about he's not worth going out of your way to save...better to get the towncred for being on a correct lynch and let everyone WIFOM all over the VCA during night time. What's the best case scenario here for scumShining and scumMarv with that play? Shining gets FF mislynched and marv either comes back or gets replaced. But because Shining was central to the FF lynch he's under heavy scrutiny and marv (or replacement) is under equal suspicion for doing bugger all for most of D1. They end up as top two high-priority lynch candidates for D2 and when one flips red I think the next gets lynched the day after. Its a hugely risky play. I mean correct my logic if I'm wrong here, by all means. If you're all certain I guess I'll review Shining's filter tomorrow before the deadline. I have to go to bed in a minute, its approaching 5am here. We got just over 21 hours before the vote ends by my reckoning so...we'll see what happens. Also a vote count would be great about now so we can see where we are.
If both Shining and marv are scum, this is a great way for scum!Shining to set up a vote switch onto scum!marv as a bus, especially since marv is away.
But WIFOM and speculation like this is practically impossible to figure out so I don't like to use it. It also doesn't deny the fact that Shining contradicted himself at least 3 times with his statements.
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How is the stuff on Shining weak? He's contradicted himself at least 3 times there.
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On October 12 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 22:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
How is the stuff on Shining weak? He's contradicted himself at least 3 times there. no, he says he understands the meta arguments against me and that they are strong and "logically" a stronger case, but he trusts his own gut on FF more. ta-da.
He said he's voting for FF off of reasons that he thinks he made but he admittedly said were weakened by OO and FF's counterarguments.
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If Shining maintained a modicum of sanity and tried to explain the pile of contradictions he made I would understand but all he did was snap. Only reason why he would do that is if he realizes he made a heap of posts that made no sense with each other.
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On October 12 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote:On October 12 2015 22:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
How is the stuff on Shining weak? He's contradicted himself at least 3 times there. no, he says he understands the meta arguments against me and that they are strong and "logically" a stronger case, but he trusts his own gut on FF more. ta-da. He said he's voting for FF off of reasons that he thinks he made but he admittedly said were weakened by OO and FF's counterarguments. so?
It makes no sense. If he thinks a wagon is going to show scum, then why didn't he push for that wagon or even vote for it. Instead he sets up a potential vote switch and basically fences himself between two wagons which is what scum wants to do.
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On October 12 2015 23:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 22:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:On October 12 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 12 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote:On October 12 2015 22:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
How is the stuff on Shining weak? He's contradicted himself at least 3 times there. no, he says he understands the meta arguments against me and that they are strong and "logically" a stronger case, but he trusts his own gut on FF more. ta-da. He said he's voting for FF off of reasons that he thinks he made but he admittedly said were weakened by OO and FF's counterarguments. so? It makes no sense. If he thinks a wagon is going to show scum, then why didn't he push for that wagon or even vote for it. Instead he sets up a potential vote switch and basically fences himself between two wagons which is what scum wants to do. or a townie can think 2 people are scummy? Just finished looking through OO's filter and it was better than I remembered while reading through the game. The commentary style / walls-of-text about self make me pretty uneasy though. He votes for Kels and spends an awful lot of text afterwards where he never mentions KSC again except asking sl about him. It's tempting to scum him for obsession with his own appearance but it seems he thinks the same way as town, so nyeh. waffle waffle
If you admit the points you made against someone are now weak and say that someone is a better lynch, why would you not switch your vote to that person?
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On October 13 2015 01:13 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 22:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If Shining maintained a modicum of sanity and tried to explain the pile of contradictions he made I would understand but all he did was snap. Only reason why he would do that is if he realizes he made a heap of posts that made no sense with each other. This misrepresentation is trash and you're scum. I did explain my "pile of contradictions" multiple times. That's why marv could so easily understand where I was coming from. Instead you just honed in on the "it doesnt make sense, blah blah blah" and completely disregarded the multiple times I said I think FF could be scum and my reasoning for WHY Marv could be a better lynch. And would you look at that, he's no longer a good lynch because he finally started playing. I'd look to see more but it's a good start.
No, I did listen. You think that your read on FF is so good while you admitted that it was weakened by OO's and FF's defense. On top of that, you thought that marv was a better lynch. But you STILL didn't vote for him in that situation. This doesn't make sense whatsoever.
marv I'm going to read the past two games I've been with you in and check your meta. Also, saying that I'm clever and fairly intuitive from the last game is false because I had my reads all wrong. cheers.
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